Canon saying what we all knew

AMW20 wrote:

RLight wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

KEG wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

azed9 wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me but I'm hesitant to go all in buying lenses knowing they will be useless if something happens to my M6 or if I want to upgrade to a better body 5 years down the line.

Well, I found it disappointing, having done the same thing, expecting to upgrade to an Eos M5ii with IBIS and the rumoured f/2.8-4.0 walk-around prime.

So rather than giving Canon more money, or buying EF lenses to fill the gap, I sold up and went to another brand. No more waiting or wishing for the lens lineup to fill up.

What did you switch to? I'm so torn on what to do. I might sit tight and see if Fuji comes out with an X-T40 of some sort that entices me.

Going fullframe is cheaper than Fuji.

almost smaller also.

Fuji has the X-T30 and X-E4, both basically the size of the M6 and M50. They do have some large lenses, but also quite a few compact primes. Certainly not as small as the M system but I think it would be easier to stay compact while maintaining great quality with Fuji than it would be with full frame.

Fuji has cost, and size of FF, but is crop. But a lot of folks still choose it, but that's where dare I say, consider an R8, RF 24-50, RF 35mm, for the same cost, footprint. But you get full frame.

That R8 is a real game changer. I said this before; when Canon updates that RP and releases more non-L RF glass? It's the end of crop, period. Fuji and M included. Won't be long before certain members I won't name troll the R forum soon to defend Fuji without saying it...

R50 will treat you well if you're fine with the glass that presently exists. It's a cheaper entry point to R than the R8. It's the bait, for the system if you will.

R8 is definitely compact for full frame, but it's still decently larger than something like the M6 which is why I was drawn to it in the first place. I was tired of needing a backpack to carry my camera and a second lens. The M6 can squeeze into a tiny sling bag.

Some Fuji lenses are certainly quite big, but I feel like they have enough compact options to pair with one of their smaller cameras. RF is an option, but the R50 is a downgrade from the M6 in many categories for me and the R7 or R8 jump up in size. I'm not a fan of the articulating screen as much either but compromises are needed somewhere.

Then keep the M6. Honestly nobody even Canon will beat it. If you’re happy, you’re happy.

I suspect the RF-S platform will match it, given time. Again some compromises. So far they’re just compromises in specs on the apertures and width on the wide end. The size is the same which is what counts.

AMW20 wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

I'm not a fan of the articulating screen as much either but compromises are needed somewhere.

If I could replace the articulating screen on all of my cameras with a tilting LCD I would do that in a heartbeat.

R2

It's weird because it seems like such a miniscule thing, but I just find a tilting screen to be way more seamless in use. It just fits how I shoot I suppose. I'm not a video guy so that makes sense.

Yes, it gets right to the heart of how one uses a camera.  A whole multitude of angles are instantly available with just a flick of a finger!  It’s also so much more compact than an extended (articulating) LCD.  Love it.

R2

KEG wrote:

RLight wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

KEG wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

azed9 wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me but I'm hesitant to go all in buying lenses knowing they will be useless if something happens to my M6 or if I want to upgrade to a better body 5 years down the line.

Well, I found it disappointing, having done the same thing, expecting to upgrade to an Eos M5ii with IBIS and the rumoured f/2.8-4.0 walk-around prime.

So rather than giving Canon more money, or buying EF lenses to fill the gap, I sold up and went to another brand. No more waiting or wishing for the lens lineup to fill up.

What did you switch to? I'm so torn on what to do. I might sit tight and see if Fuji comes out with an X-T40 of some sort that entices me.

Going fullframe is cheaper than Fuji.

almost smaller also.

Fuji has the X-T30 and X-E4, both basically the size of the M6 and M50. They do have some large lenses, but also quite a few compact primes. Certainly not as small as the M system but I think it would be easier to stay compact while maintaining great quality with Fuji than it would be with full frame.

Fuji has cost, and size of FF, but is crop. But a lot of folks still choose it, but that's where dare I say, consider an R8, RF 24-50, RF 35mm, for the same cost, footprint. But you get full frame.

That R8 is a real game changer. I said this before; when Canon updates that RP and releases more non-L RF glass? It's the end of crop, period. Fuji and M included. Won't be long before certain members I won't name troll the R forum soon to defend Fuji without saying it...

I think you are right, Fuji is stuck with their crop system due to how expensive their GFX will always be, but I feel that Sony will probably not update the a6xxx any more.

They will actually... By launching a new a6xxx. Rumors is soon too. That's a real competitor btw worth considering, if they do it. The A1's menus and SOOC colors are nothing to sneeze about. Now Sony still has some boring non-G crop glass, though. But their third party options for E are interesting. Depends what's your fancy.

The only Fuji left in this fight? X100V, and it's a fine camera too. Fine price too. Could've done an M6 II and 22mm

Anyone looking at a lower end Fuji? R50 and RF-S has it covered. Canon will continue to grow the RF-S by adapting M glass.

Higher end Fuji? R8 and non-L FF glass has it.

What's not covered? Normal range and fast prime, and compact. Again, X100V turf, M turf. Canon could cover that base with a new PowerShot G with an APS-C sensor. I keep saying that, I don't think they will. I think that X100V will continue to be a best seller.

Should Sony overhaul the ergonomics on the A6xxx series, and back port their latest JPEG engine and menus down to it? Watch out RF-S. It may not threaten the R8, but it does threaten the low end crop.

R50 will treat you well if you're fine with the glass that presently exists. It's a cheaper entry point to R than the R8. It's the bait, for the system if you will.

Greg Edwards wrote:

rz64 wrote:

I have the M6i and it is still a perfect camera for me. If something happens to this body I will look at the "used market". I assume it should be no problem within the next five years (or more) to find a secondhand camera or secondhand lenses for EOS-M.

I'm patiently waiting for prices of used EF-M lenses to drop so I can pick a couple up cheaply to round out my collection.

With every R release now, the M system looks just better and better IMHO. (Despite the possibility of no further development.) R APS-C is larger, slower, uglier, and more expensive. M system is about small, light and affordable bodies and lenses with great IQ.

I wouldn't discount the possibility that the system will only become more and more popular as availability decreases. And that could mean prices will go up instead of down.

MyM6II wrote:

Greg Edwards wrote:

rz64 wrote:

I have the M6i and it is still a perfect camera for me. If something happens to this body I will look at the "used market". I assume it should be no problem within the next five years (or more) to find a secondhand camera or secondhand lenses for EOS-M.

I'm patiently waiting for prices of used EF-M lenses to drop so I can pick a couple up cheaply to round out my collection.

With every R release now, the M system looks just better and better IMHO. (Despite the possibility of no further development.) R APS-C is larger, slower, uglier, and more expensive. M system is about small, light and affordable bodies and lenses with great IQ.

I wouldn't discount the possibility that the system will only become more and more popular as availability decreases. And that could mean prices will go up instead of down.

Maybe some tiktoker will get gen z interested in it.

MyM6II wrote:

Greg Edwards wrote:

rz64 wrote:

I have the M6i and it is still a perfect camera for me. If something happens to this body I will look at the "used market". I assume it should be no problem within the next five years (or more) to find a secondhand camera or secondhand lenses for EOS-M.

I'm patiently waiting for prices of used EF-M lenses to drop so I can pick a couple up cheaply to round out my collection.

With every R release now, the M system looks just better and better IMHO. (Despite the possibility of no further development.) R APS-C is larger, slower, uglier, and more expensive. M system is about small, light and affordable bodies and lenses with great IQ.

I wouldn't discount the possibility that the system will only become more and more popular as availability decreases. And that could mean prices will go up instead of down.

Used M prices keep going up ?

How many old digital camera bodies do that ?

https://www.mpb.com/en-us/product/canon-eos-m

M has the same sensor as a 7D and the M is selling used for $100 more ?

https://www.mpb.com/en-us/product/canon-eos-7d

MyM6II wrote:

Greg Edwards wrote:

rz64 wrote:

I have the M6i and it is still a perfect camera for me. If something happens to this body I will look at the "used market". I assume it should be no problem within the next five years (or more) to find a secondhand camera or secondhand lenses for EOS-M.

I'm patiently waiting for prices of used EF-M lenses to drop so I can pick a couple up cheaply to round out my collection.

With every R release now, the M system looks just better and better IMHO. (Despite the possibility of no further development.) R APS-C is larger, slower, uglier, and more expensive. M system is about small, light and affordable bodies and lenses with great IQ.

+1 Still nothing to match the M6ii!  

I wouldn't discount the possibility that the system will only become more and more popular as availability decreases. And that could mean prices will go up instead of down.

Possibly.  Hmmm.

R2

AMW20 wrote:

What did you switch to? I'm so torn on what to do. I might sit tight and see if Fuji comes out with an X-T40 of some sort that entices me.

There’s lots of crop options today. I'd be looking at Fuji, M43 and Sony crop. Look at the lenses you’ll likely want now, price the system out, and then go for the system that has what you want.

If you feel your current lenses are fine, and the camera is fine, then stick with what you have.

Alan.

AMW20 wrote:

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me

If it is perfect, just buy another backup body and all the lenses currently available.

The only reason I made the jump from cellphone camera to a real camera is the M100 with 22mm combo.  I was, and still, fascinated at the quality of photos it produces given its small size and light weight even after all these years.  Because of this combo, I've learned to shoot manual mode as my lens collection grew.  The only reason I would move to another system would be if they offer the same size and weight as this combo.  I don't want "slightly bigger" or "slightly heavier" because the next size up is pretty significant to me.  It makes me want to revert back to using my cellphone again, which by the way, already gives me amazing results.  I often travel abroad a couple of times a year, and I always travel light.  Carrying a bigger camera will affect the way I move around the city.  You don't carry around a $2,000 equipment the same way as a $500 one, that's an added stress I don't need.

If someone stole all my EOSM stuff and I had to redo, I'll probably go with the Ricoh GRIII or go again with the M200 + 22mm combo.  I really wish for Canon to make an updated M200 with a faster cpu to compete with cellphone cameras and GRIII.

I would like to further add that Canon needs to be reminded that the reason they created the EOSM is lure cellphone users for something better, something small enough to be carried everyday along with their phone and something that is inexpensive enough to be bought as an extra along with their cellphone and wouldn't break their budget.  Given our current times where we takes photos for social media, and economic downturn, the EOSM still fills that market segment with little opposition.

m100 wrote:

M has the same sensor as a 7D and the M is selling used for $100 more ?

https://www.mpb.com/en-us/product/canon-eos-7d

That actually makes sense, for at least three reasons.

1) 7D is three years older than M (2009 vs 2012);

2) As a consequence of 1), the M featured DIGIC 5 instead of 7D's DIGIC 4; and

2) Since the 7D was purpose-built for outdoor sports and wildlife, the used units would tend to have gone through a lot of abuse and wear. Used Ms, whose lack of weather sealing and snail-like AF made them nearly useless for anything active, are likely to have gone through much gentler lives.

RLight wrote:

KEG wrote:

RLight wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

KEG wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

azed9 wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me but I'm hesitant to go all in buying lenses knowing they will be useless if something happens to my M6 or if I want to upgrade to a better body 5 years down the line.

Well, I found it disappointing, having done the same thing, expecting to upgrade to an Eos M5ii with IBIS and the rumoured f/2.8-4.0 walk-around prime.

So rather than giving Canon more money, or buying EF lenses to fill the gap, I sold up and went to another brand. No more waiting or wishing for the lens lineup to fill up.

What did you switch to? I'm so torn on what to do. I might sit tight and see if Fuji comes out with an X-T40 of some sort that entices me.

Going fullframe is cheaper than Fuji.

almost smaller also.

Fuji has the X-T30 and X-E4, both basically the size of the M6 and M50. They do have some large lenses, but also quite a few compact primes. Certainly not as small as the M system but I think it would be easier to stay compact while maintaining great quality with Fuji than it would be with full frame.

Fuji has cost, and size of FF, but is crop. But a lot of folks still choose it, but that's where dare I say, consider an R8, RF 24-50, RF 35mm, for the same cost, footprint. But you get full frame.

That R8 is a real game changer. I said this before; when Canon updates that RP and releases more non-L RF glass? It's the end of crop, period. Fuji and M included. Won't be long before certain members I won't name troll the R forum soon to defend Fuji without saying it...

I think you are right, Fuji is stuck with their crop system due to how expensive their GFX will always be, but I feel that Sony will probably not update the a6xxx any more.

They will actually... By launching a new a6xxx. Rumors is soon too. That's a real competitor btw worth considering, if they do it. The A1's menus and SOOC colors are nothing to sneeze about. Now Sony still has some boring non-G crop glass, though. But their third party options for E are interesting. Depends what's your fancy.

The only Fuji left in this fight? X100V, and it's a fine camera too. Fine price too. Could've done an M6 II and 22mm

Anyone looking at a lower end Fuji?

R50 and RF-S has it covered. Canon will continue to grow the RF-S by adapting M glass.

you over estimate imo Canon's interest in growing crop RF-s lenses

Higher end Fuji? R8 and non-L FF glass has it.

What's not covered? Normal range and fast prime, and compact. Again, X100V turf, M turf. Canon could cover that base with a new PowerShot G with an APS-C sensor. I keep saying that, I don't think they will. I think that X100V will continue to be a best seller.

Should Sony overhaul the ergonomics on the A6xxx series, and back port their latest JPEG engine and menus down to it? Watch out RF-S. It may not threaten the R8, but it does threaten the low end crop.

R50 will treat you well if you're fine with the glass that presently exists. It's a cheaper entry point to R than the R8. It's the bait, for the system if you will.

AMW20 wrote:

Not sure how to cross post here.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4698945

We all knew it was coming, but this still feels like a slap in the face after Canon said the M mount still had a future 9 months ago.

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me but I'm hesitant to go all in buying lenses knowing they will be useless if something happens to my M6 or if I want to upgrade to a better body 5 years down the line.

Whether Canon lied or not, it is also a case of people being in denial despite glaring writings on the wall.

With the launch of the R7 and R10, it was clear Canon was heavily invested in RF bodies and RF lenses.  Before this, I was also wishing for an EF-M mount body with IBIS - would have been a killer feature for me, considering its size. I decided to just buy the Sony A7C when it became clear Canon would abandon the M series sooner than later ( as travel gear when my R7 and R6Mii were too cumbersome for the purpose).

Does not change the fact that the M6 Mark II is one of the best cameras Canon ever made.

CamerEyes wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

Not sure how to cross post here.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4698945

We all knew it was coming, but this still feels like a slap in the face after Canon said the M mount still had a future 9 months ago.

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me but I'm hesitant to go all in buying lenses knowing they will be useless if something happens to my M6 or if I want to upgrade to a better body 5 years down the line.

Whether Canon lied or not, it is also a case of people being in denial despite glaring writings on the wall.

With the launch of the R7 and R10, it was clear Canon was heavily invested in RF bodies and RF lenses. Before this, I was also wishing for an EF-M mount body with IBIS - would have been a killer feature for me, considering its size. I decided to just buy the Sony A7C when it became clear Canon would abandon the M series sooner than later ( as travel gear when my R7 and R6Mii were too cumbersome for the purpose).

Does not change the fact that the M6 Mark II is one of the best cameras Canon ever made.

Totally agree

CamerEyes wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

Not sure how to cross post here.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4698945

We all knew it was coming, but this still feels like a slap in the face after Canon said the M mount still had a future 9 months ago.

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me but I'm hesitant to go all in buying lenses knowing they will be useless if something happens to my M6 or if I want to upgrade to a better body 5 years down the line.

Whether Canon lied or not, it is also a case of people being in denial despite glaring writings on the wall.

With the launch of the R7 and R10, it was clear Canon was heavily invested in RF bodies and RF lenses. Before this, I was also wishing for an EF-M mount body with IBIS - would have been a killer feature for me, considering its size. I decided to just buy the Sony A7C when it became clear Canon would abandon the M series sooner than later ( as travel gear when my R7 and R6Mii were too cumbersome for the purpose).

Does not change the fact that the M6 Mark II is one of the best cameras Canon ever made.

A7C... Opinion? Granted M forum. I've heard rumor the A7C II is coming, but curious your opinion of the A7C nonetheless. The 28-60 and those Samyang primes are of interest.

RLight wrote:

CamerEyes wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

Not sure how to cross post here.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4698945

We all knew it was coming, but this still feels like a slap in the face after Canon said the M mount still had a future 9 months ago.

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me but I'm hesitant to go all in buying lenses knowing they will be useless if something happens to my M6 or if I want to upgrade to a better body 5 years down the line.

Whether Canon lied or not, it is also a case of people being in denial despite glaring writings on the wall.

With the launch of the R7 and R10, it was clear Canon was heavily invested in RF bodies and RF lenses. Before this, I was also wishing for an EF-M mount body with IBIS - would have been a killer feature for me, considering its size. I decided to just buy the Sony A7C when it became clear Canon would abandon the M series sooner than later ( as travel gear when my R7 and R6Mii were too cumbersome for the purpose).

Does not change the fact that the M6 Mark II is one of the best cameras Canon ever made.

A7C... Opinion? Granted M forum. I've heard rumor the A7C II is coming, but curious your opinion of the A7C nonetheless. The 28-60 and those Samyang primes are of interest.

old sony style bad ergonomics

focus acquisition not as good as canon

wait for Ver II

but it will be hard to match R8