Canon saying what we all knew

Not sure how to cross post here.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4698945

We all knew it was coming, but this still feels like a slap in the face after Canon said the M mount still had a future 9 months ago.

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me but I'm hesitant to go all in buying lenses knowing they will be useless if something happens to my M6 or if I want to upgrade to a better body 5 years down the line.

nnowak wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

Not sure how to cross post here.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4698945

We all knew it was coming, but this still feels like a slap in the face after Canon said the M mount still had a future 9 months ago.

Technically, Canon did not lie. They basically said that they would continue to sell M products, but never claimed that there would be any updates. Some people just read too much into Canon's comments and assumed there would be continued development.

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me but I'm hesitant to go all in buying lenses knowing they will be useless if something happens to my M6 or if I want to upgrade to a better body 5 years down the line.

You will likely need to look at a different mount if you need a new body in the future.

I have the M6i and it is still a perfect camera for me. If something happens to this body I will look at the "used market". I assume it should be no problem within the next five years (or more) to find a secondhand camera or secondhand lenses for EOS-M.

apart from being a fun camera to use with RF 16, R50 lacks almost all the lenses to make it useful.

rz64 wrote:

I have the M6i and it is still a perfect camera for me. If something happens to this body I will look at the "used market". I assume it should be no problem within the next five years (or more) to find a secondhand camera or secondhand lenses for EOS-M.

I'm patiently waiting for prices of used EF-M lenses to drop so I can pick a couple up cheaply to round out my collection.

AMW20 wrote:

Not sure how to cross post here.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4698945

We all knew it was coming, but this still feels like a slap in the face after Canon said the M mount still had a future 9 months ago.

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me but I'm hesitant to go all in buying lenses knowing they will be useless if something happens to my M6 or if I want to upgrade to a better body 5 years down the line.

The good thing is that although the M System (and M6ii) might lose value going forward (due to no new influx of technology), it won’t lose its current capabilities, ever.  Plus it’s STILL significantly more compact than anything R related (and there’s no R body with that wonderful tilt screen either).  My “fun” camera absolutely has to have a tilt screen.

There’s an earlier thread that showcases a lot of the M6ii’s capabilities, that I like to point to.  Be sure to follow the links in my post as well…

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64108171

Best of luck in your quest!

R2

R2D2 wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

Not sure how to cross post here.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4698945

We all knew it was coming, but this still feels like a slap in the face after Canon said the M mount still had a future 9 months ago.

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me but I'm hesitant to go all in buying lenses knowing they will be useless if something happens to my M6 or if I want to upgrade to a better body 5 years down the line.

The good thing is that although the M System (and M6ii) might lose value going forward (due to no new influx of technology), it won’t lose its current capabilities, ever. Plus it’s STILL significantly more compact than anything R related (and there’s no R body with that wonderful tilt screen either).

M6 II + 22/2.0 + 11-22 + 32/1.4 is a combo not bested by anything by anyone except for maybe 5 times the cost and I am not even convinced about that.

My “fun” camera absolutely has to have a tilt screen.

There’s an earlier thread that showcases a lot of the M6ii’s capabilities, that I like to point to. Be sure to follow the links in my post as well…

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64108171

Best of luck in your quest!

R2

KEG wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

Not sure how to cross post here.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4698945

We all knew it was coming, but this still feels like a slap in the face after Canon said the M mount still had a future 9 months ago.

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me but I'm hesitant to go all in buying lenses knowing they will be useless if something happens to my M6 or if I want to upgrade to a better body 5 years down the line.

The good thing is that although the M System (and M6ii) might lose value going forward (due to no new influx of technology), it won’t lose its current capabilities, ever. Plus it’s STILL significantly more compact than anything R related (and there’s no R body with that wonderful tilt screen either).

M6 II + 22/2.0 + 11-22 + 32/1.4 is a combo not bested by anything by anyone except for maybe 5 times the cost and I am not even convinced about that.

Indeed!  And I've gone the 5x route!

R5 + RF 28-70 + RF 15-35.

You get the benefits of larger output sizes, and more convenient Eye focus.

5x the cost!

R2

My “fun” camera absolutely has to have a tilt screen.

There’s an earlier thread that showcases a lot of the M6ii’s capabilities, that I like to point to. Be sure to follow the links in my post as well…

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64108171

Best of luck in your quest!

R2

R2D2 wrote:

KEG wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

Not sure how to cross post here.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4698945

We all knew it was coming, but this still feels like a slap in the face after Canon said the M mount still had a future 9 months ago.

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me but I'm hesitant to go all in buying lenses knowing they will be useless if something happens to my M6 or if I want to upgrade to a better body 5 years down the line.

The good thing is that although the M System (and M6ii) might lose value going forward (due to no new influx of technology), it won’t lose its current capabilities, ever. Plus it’s STILL significantly more compact than anything R related (and there’s no R body with that wonderful tilt screen either).

M6 II + 22/2.0 + 11-22 + 32/1.4 is a combo not bested by anything by anyone except for maybe 5 times the cost and I am not even convinced about that.

Indeed! And I've gone the 5x route!

R5 + RF 28-70 + RF 15-35.

It would be nice if anyone with one of the RF ultrawides and 11-22 would do a comparision between them.

I am really interested in corner performance at:

• Wide-end (14 mm or 15 mm) wide open
• 24 mm wide open

My 35 mm is giving me excellent results so I think I am actually more interested in covering ultra-wide rather than normal range.

You get the benefits of larger output sizes, and more convenient Eye focus.

5x the cost!

R2

My “fun” camera absolutely has to have a tilt screen.

There’s an earlier thread that showcases a lot of the M6ii’s capabilities, that I like to point to. Be sure to follow the links in my post as well…

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64108171

Best of luck in your quest!

R2

AMW20 wrote:

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me but I'm hesitant to go all in buying lenses knowing they will be useless if something happens to my M6 or if I want to upgrade to a better body 5 years down the line.

Well, I found it disappointing, having done the same thing, expecting to upgrade to an Eos M5ii with IBIS and the rumoured f/2.8-4.0 walk-around prime.

So rather than giving Canon more money, or buying EF lenses to fill the gap,  I sold up and went to another brand.  No more waiting or wishing for the lens lineup to fill up.

azed9 wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me but I'm hesitant to go all in buying lenses knowing they will be useless if something happens to my M6 or if I want to upgrade to a better body 5 years down the line.

Well, I found it disappointing, having done the same thing, expecting to upgrade to an Eos M5ii with IBIS and the rumoured f/2.8-4.0 walk-around prime.

So rather than giving Canon more money, or buying EF lenses to fill the gap, I sold up and went to another brand. No more waiting or wishing for the lens lineup to fill up.

What did you switch to? I'm so torn on what to do. I might sit tight and see if Fuji comes out with an X-T40 of some sort that entices me.

AMW20 wrote:

azed9 wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me but I'm hesitant to go all in buying lenses knowing they will be useless if something happens to my M6 or if I want to upgrade to a better body 5 years down the line.

Well, I found it disappointing, having done the same thing, expecting to upgrade to an Eos M5ii with IBIS and the rumoured f/2.8-4.0 walk-around prime.

So rather than giving Canon more money, or buying EF lenses to fill the gap, I sold up and went to another brand. No more waiting or wishing for the lens lineup to fill up.

What did you switch to? I'm so torn on what to do. I might sit tight and see if Fuji comes out with an X-T40 of some sort that entices me.

Going fullframe is cheaper than Fuji.

almost smaller also.

KEG wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

azed9 wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me but I'm hesitant to go all in buying lenses knowing they will be useless if something happens to my M6 or if I want to upgrade to a better body 5 years down the line.

Well, I found it disappointing, having done the same thing, expecting to upgrade to an Eos M5ii with IBIS and the rumoured f/2.8-4.0 walk-around prime.

So rather than giving Canon more money, or buying EF lenses to fill the gap, I sold up and went to another brand. No more waiting or wishing for the lens lineup to fill up.

What did you switch to? I'm so torn on what to do. I might sit tight and see if Fuji comes out with an X-T40 of some sort that entices me.

Going fullframe is cheaper than Fuji.

almost smaller also.

Fuji has the X-T30 and X-E4, both basically the size of the M6 and M50. They do have some large lenses, but also quite a few compact primes. Certainly not as small as the M system but I think it would be easier to stay compact while maintaining great quality with Fuji than it would be with full frame.

Let me say I firmly oppose Canon's decision to abandon the M mount as a consumer and from and engineering standpoint.

Now from a business standpoint, it was logical to unite everything under a single mount and consolidate R&D and give the same pathway the EF mount had, and in fact a better one for folks wanting to "upgrade". I use upgrade in quotes as I don't see FF as an upgrade, merely another option. Canon would love for you to think that way as its more margins to the bottom line for imaging division obviously.

The M system is a fantastic one. That said it has a few hiccups that will go unanswered now that we're not left wondering it's fate:

1. No more glass. No fast f/2.8 zoom. The end of that wish.

2. No more bodies, so no IBIS and no EFCS for that 90D/M6 II sensor in and M mount. Big bummer.

.

Otherwise? M is a great system, still.

I quietly jumped ship a few months ago due to my keeper rate being sub-par due to AF and shutter shock. The IQ is there when it "hits" but it was annoying enough for me to pull the plug. I always suspected Canon was gonna do this (R50 and adapt more M glass to RF-S with some minor necessary compromises). In fact, I suspect Canon will adapt most of the M glass over time to RF-S. They'll have to make some compromises... 55-210 lost 1/3 stop to make room for the control ring and less optimal flange which "ate" into it on both ends, 18-45 lost the 3mm width due to the flange. 32mm ain't gonna happen, consider the FF RF 35mm f/1.8 IS STM instead. 22mm and 11-22mm may happen, but, the 22mm may be f/2.2, or just larger (probably just larger, which is fine, the mount is larger to accommodate. In fact, maybe we'll get a RF-S 22mm f/1.4. Wouldn't that be something?).

Anyhow I digress.

It's a sad moment for M. Been that way for the past, 4 years? We just only figured that out when the R7 and R10 showed up last year, but it's been suspect for some time.

AMW20 wrote:

KEG wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

azed9 wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me but I'm hesitant to go all in buying lenses knowing they will be useless if something happens to my M6 or if I want to upgrade to a better body 5 years down the line.

Well, I found it disappointing, having done the same thing, expecting to upgrade to an Eos M5ii with IBIS and the rumoured f/2.8-4.0 walk-around prime.

So rather than giving Canon more money, or buying EF lenses to fill the gap, I sold up and went to another brand. No more waiting or wishing for the lens lineup to fill up.

What did you switch to? I'm so torn on what to do. I might sit tight and see if Fuji comes out with an X-T40 of some sort that entices me.

Going fullframe is cheaper than Fuji.

almost smaller also.

Fuji has the X-T30 and X-E4, both basically the size of the M6 and M50. They do have some large lenses, but also quite a few compact primes. Certainly not as small as the M system but I think it would be easier to stay compact while maintaining great quality with Fuji than it would be with full frame.

Fuji has cost, and size of FF, but is crop. But a lot of folks still choose it, but that's where dare I say, consider an R8, RF 24-50, RF 35mm, for the same cost, footprint. But you get full frame.

That R8 is a real game changer. I said this before; when Canon updates that RP and releases more non-L RF glass? It's the end of crop, period. Fuji and M included. Won't be long before certain members I won't name troll the R forum soon to defend Fuji without saying it...

R50 will treat you well if you're fine with the glass that presently exists. It's a cheaper entry point to R than the R8. It's the bait, for the system if you will.

RLight wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

KEG wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

azed9 wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me but I'm hesitant to go all in buying lenses knowing they will be useless if something happens to my M6 or if I want to upgrade to a better body 5 years down the line.

Well, I found it disappointing, having done the same thing, expecting to upgrade to an Eos M5ii with IBIS and the rumoured f/2.8-4.0 walk-around prime.

So rather than giving Canon more money, or buying EF lenses to fill the gap, I sold up and went to another brand. No more waiting or wishing for the lens lineup to fill up.

What did you switch to? I'm so torn on what to do. I might sit tight and see if Fuji comes out with an X-T40 of some sort that entices me.

Going fullframe is cheaper than Fuji.

almost smaller also.

Fuji has the X-T30 and X-E4, both basically the size of the M6 and M50. They do have some large lenses, but also quite a few compact primes. Certainly not as small as the M system but I think it would be easier to stay compact while maintaining great quality with Fuji than it would be with full frame.

Fuji has cost, and size of FF, but is crop. But a lot of folks still choose it, but that's where dare I say, consider an R8, RF 24-50, RF 35mm, for the same cost, footprint. But you get full frame.

That R8 is a real game changer. I said this before; when Canon updates that RP and releases more non-L RF glass? It's the end of crop, period. Fuji and M included. Won't be long before certain members I won't name troll the R forum soon to defend Fuji without saying it...

R50 will treat you well if you're fine with the glass that presently exists. It's a cheaper entry point to R than the R8. It's the bait, for the system if you will.

R8 is definitely compact for full frame, but it's still decently larger than something like the M6 which is why I was drawn to it in the first place. I was tired of needing a backpack to carry my camera and a second lens. The M6 can squeeze into a tiny sling bag.

Some Fuji lenses are certainly quite big, but I feel like they have enough compact options to pair with one of their smaller cameras. RF is an option, but the R50 is a downgrade from the M6 in many categories for me and the R7 or R8 jump up in size. I'm not a fan of the articulating screen as much either but compromises are needed somewhere.

AMW20 wrote:

I'm not a fan of the articulating screen as much either but compromises are needed somewhere.

If I could replace the articulating screen on all of my cameras with a tilting LCD I would do that in a heartbeat.  

R2

R2D2 wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

I'm not a fan of the articulating screen as much either but compromises are needed somewhere.

If I could replace the articulating screen on all of my cameras with a tilting LCD I would do that in a heartbeat.

R2

It's weird because it seems like such a miniscule thing, but I just find a tilting screen to be way more seamless in use. It just fits how I shoot I suppose. I'm not a video guy so that makes sense.

RLight wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

KEG wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

azed9 wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me but I'm hesitant to go all in buying lenses knowing they will be useless if something happens to my M6 or if I want to upgrade to a better body 5 years down the line.

Well, I found it disappointing, having done the same thing, expecting to upgrade to an Eos M5ii with IBIS and the rumoured f/2.8-4.0 walk-around prime.

So rather than giving Canon more money, or buying EF lenses to fill the gap, I sold up and went to another brand. No more waiting or wishing for the lens lineup to fill up.

What did you switch to? I'm so torn on what to do. I might sit tight and see if Fuji comes out with an X-T40 of some sort that entices me.

Going fullframe is cheaper than Fuji.

almost smaller also.

Fuji has the X-T30 and X-E4, both basically the size of the M6 and M50. They do have some large lenses, but also quite a few compact primes. Certainly not as small as the M system but I think it would be easier to stay compact while maintaining great quality with Fuji than it would be with full frame.

Fuji has cost, and size of FF, but is crop. But a lot of folks still choose it, but that's where dare I say, consider an R8, RF 24-50, RF 35mm, for the same cost, footprint. But you get full frame.

That R8 is a real game changer. I said this before; when Canon updates that RP and releases more non-L RF glass? It's the end of crop, period. Fuji and M included. Won't be long before certain members I won't name troll the R forum soon to defend Fuji without saying it...

I think you are right, Fuji is stuck with their crop system due to how expensive their GFX will always be, but I feel that Sony will probably not update the a6xxx any more.

R50 will treat you well if you're fine with the glass that presently exists. It's a cheaper entry point to R than the R8. It's the bait, for the system if you will.