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…Said the quiet part out loud

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Maxmolly7
Maxmolly7 Senior Member • Posts: 1,480
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I guess that a lot of M fan boys will soon leave this forum.

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rz64 Regular Member • Posts: 454
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RLight wrote:

abruzzopat wrote:

Interesting that the R lens is 2/3 stop slower than the M lens from 6 years ago. Unless I'm mistaken... keep me honest here.

1/3 stop I believe. At 210mm though.. I suspect it’s f/7.1 @ 200mm as well though.

They kept the form factor and weight, which is the point of M. And the cost, if you count the R50.

Concerning form factor and weight: No R-system is as small and light as the M.

Concerning costs: No R-system is as affordable as the M.

Earning more money is the only reason Canon wants you to attract to the R. But where are comparable lenses to the 11-22, 22, 32, Sigma 56mm?

For me, M remains the perfect system for walking and traveling.

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Maxmolly7
Maxmolly7 Senior Member • Posts: 1,480
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rz64 wrote:

RLight wrote:

abruzzopat wrote:

Interesting that the R lens is 2/3 stop slower than the M lens from 6 years ago. Unless I'm mistaken... keep me honest here.

1/3 stop I believe. At 210mm though.. I suspect it’s f/7.1 @ 200mm as well though.

They kept the form factor and weight, which is the point of M. And the cost, if you count the R50.

Concerning form factor and weight: No R-system is as small and light as the M.

Concerning costs: No R-system is as affordable as the M.

Earning more money is the only reason Canon wants you to attract to the R. But where are comparable lenses to the 11-22, 22, 32, Sigma 56mm?

For me, M remains the perfect system for walking and traveling.

You are summarizing Canon's reasons to end the M system!

R is all about generating revenue and not customer satisfaction!

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rz64 Regular Member • Posts: 454
Re: …Said the quiet part out loud

Maxmolly7 wrote:

rz64 wrote:

RLight wrote:

abruzzopat wrote:

Interesting that the R lens is 2/3 stop slower than the M lens from 6 years ago. Unless I'm mistaken... keep me honest here.

1/3 stop I believe. At 210mm though.. I suspect it’s f/7.1 @ 200mm as well though.

They kept the form factor and weight, which is the point of M. And the cost, if you count the R50.

Concerning form factor and weight: No R-system is as small and light as the M.

Concerning costs: No R-system is as affordable as the M.

Earning more money is the only reason Canon wants you to attract to the R. But where are comparable lenses to the 11-22, 22, 32, Sigma 56mm?

For me, M remains the perfect system for walking and traveling.

You are summarizing Canon's reasons to end the M system!

R is all about generating revenue and not customer satisfaction!

Yes, unfortunately.

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Wiedehopf Junior Member • Posts: 38
Re: …Said the quiet part out loud
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...and the R8 is quietly replacing the EOS RP (Canon Europe)...

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SR Hadden Regular Member • Posts: 292
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EOS-M is dead. Small cameras are for ladies (the usual stereotype from Japan).

Fjzk Regular Member • Posts: 220
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Canon, we know you for a long time, just launch the 11-22 and be done with the slow R crop zooms. Then authorize Sigma to launch their 4 1.4 primes: 16, 23 (new), 30 and 56. And if your are really generous let them release the non-stabilized 18-50 2.8 too, for the R7. After that, feeling really good about all the compliments in the media, why not giving Tamron and Tokina a call? You still get to keep the ff lenses only for yourself, as clearly you are in this to make big money, we know you.

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rz64 Regular Member • Posts: 454
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SR Hadden wrote:

EOS-M is dead. Small cameras are for ladies (the usual stereotype from Japan).

...... I've expected this answer here in the R-forum.

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SR Hadden Regular Member • Posts: 292
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rz64 wrote:

SR Hadden wrote:

EOS-M is dead. Small cameras are for ladies (the usual stereotype from Japan).

...... I've expected this answer here in the R-forum.

I've simply written what the first image is telling us. Maybe you have a different interpretation.

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SR Hadden wrote:

rz64 wrote:

SR Hadden wrote:

EOS-M is dead. Small cameras are for ladies (the usual stereotype from Japan).

...... I've expected this answer here in the R-forum.

I've simply written what the first image is telling us. Maybe you have a different interpretation.

Sorry, then I misunderstood.

Concerning the meaning of the first image, you are right.

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OP RLight Senior Member • Posts: 4,414
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MAC wrote:

FF lenses can lose their luster on crop - RLight has no experience with that lens on crop

the m32 f1.4 on 32.5 mpxl m6II is incredible across the frame

Some lenses do and some lenses don’t. MAC isn’t wrong here. In my experience adapting FF glass to crop, it depends, really. Some glass is “better” on crop (EF 35mm f/2 IS USM), others aren’t (70-300 IS USM II). The former had “pop” on a crop. The latter although really fast AF and effective IS, more reach, lost contrast, color “pop” when cropped. Ironic as you generally want to crop a telephoto lens and the very lens I’m suggesting you adapt, it’s EF flavor really shines on crop. Now I should throw in the EF 100-400L, kept its “pop” on a crop. Then again note the L part.

You know, while I’m pondering this I just realized that EF 35mm f/2 IS USM has SSC coating, even though it’s not an L. And note the flourite and super UD on the 100-400L…

  • One fluorite and one super UD lens element provides excellent correction of chromatic aberration throughout the entire zoom range, helping to deliver high-quality images with high resolution and contrast.
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Sittatunga Veteran Member • Posts: 5,406
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SR Hadden wrote:

EOS-M is dead. Small cameras are for ladies (the usual stereotype from Japan).

And for gentlemen secure in themselves.

BackToNature1 Senior Member • Posts: 1,769
Re: …R system better for the future....
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rz64 wrote:

RLight wrote:

abruzzopat wrote:

Interesting that the R lens is 2/3 stop slower than the M lens from 6 years ago. Unless I'm mistaken... keep me honest here.

1/3 stop I believe. At 210mm though.. I suspect it’s f/7.1 @ 200mm as well though.

They kept the form factor and weight, which is the point of M. And the cost, if you count the R50.

Concerning form factor and weight: No R-system is as small and light as the M.

Concerning costs: No R-system is as affordable as the M.

Earning more money is the only reason Canon wants you to attract to the R. But where are comparable lenses to the 11-22, 22, 32, Sigma 56mm?

For me, M remains the perfect system for walking and traveling.

But the R system opens up way more doors to the future. The M, not so much as the Global Camera markets have sank to new lows, yearly. Throw in costs via inflation and the ongoing global supply chain issues, continuing the M systems was never going to be affordable for Canon.

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Sittatunga wrote:

SR Hadden wrote:

EOS-M is dead. Small cameras are for ladies (the usual stereotype from Japan).

And for gentlemen secure in themselves.

A few weeks ago I was chatting with an old guy on a nature reserve, a long-time bird photographer. He was carrying an OM-1 fitted with the 300/4 Pro lens and 1.4x TC - I have the same combination, but on that particular day I was carrying my Canon gear. The point of mentioning this? He lifted up his OM-1 which had been hanging at his side, and declared that he had a "women's camera".

Fjzk Regular Member • Posts: 220
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Sittatunga wrote:

SR Hadden wrote:

EOS-M is dead. Small cameras are for ladies (the usual stereotype from Japan).

And for gentlemen secure in themselves.

😭😭😭 I am definitely using my M cameras and keeping them very visible in the process. I even dare to walk around with the EVF in the M6ii

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davidwien Contributing Member • Posts: 572
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„People will stone me for saying this but the RF 35mm f/1.8 IS STM is good stuff.“

Yes; it is indeed!

David

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MAC Forum Pro • Posts: 18,487
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RLight wrote:

MAC wrote:

FF lenses can lose their luster on crop - RLight has no experience with that lens on crop

the m32 f1.4 on 32.5 mpxl m6II is incredible across the frame

Some lenses do and some lenses don’t. MAC isn’t wrong here. In my experience adapting FF glass to crop, it depends, really. Some glass is “better” on crop (EF 35mm f/2 IS USM), others aren’t (70-300 IS USM II). The former had “pop” on a crop. The latter although really fast AF and effective IS, more reach, lost contrast, color “pop” when cropped. Ironic as you generally want to crop a telephoto lens and the very lens I’m suggesting you adapt, it’s EF flavor really shines on crop. Now I should throw in the EF 100-400L, kept its “pop” on a crop. Then again note the L part.

You know, while I’m pondering this I just realized that EF 35mm f/2 IS USM has SSC coating, even though it’s not an L. And note the flourite and super UD on the 100-400L…

  • One fluorite and one super UD lens element provides excellent correction of chromatic aberration throughout the entire zoom range, helping to deliver high-quality images with high resolution and contrast.

and because of the high pixel density of crop, sometimes they put a strong sensor filter in the dang thing which muffles the whole system -- my 60d was horrible -- just look at the digital picture site

Canon EF 35mm f/2 IS USM Lens Image Quality (the-digital-picture.com)

anyway,

newsflash,

I'm selling some of my primes and going to RF F4 L zooms -- why, because for the first time these F4L zooms will focus in moonlight (-3.2 EV @ F4) on R8 and dxo PL6 will provide usable iso 25,600 shots

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MAC Forum Pro • Posts: 18,487
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Fjzk wrote:

Canon, we know you for a long time, just launch the 11-22 and be done with the slow R crop zooms. Then authorize Sigma to launch their 4 1.4 primes: 16, 23 (new), 30 and 56. And if your are really generous let them release the non-stabilized 18-50 2.8 too, for the R7. After that, feeling really good about all the compliments in the media, why not giving Tamron and Tokina a call? You still get to keep the ff lenses only for yourself, as clearly you are in this to make big money, we know you.

will never happen

also one can notice the new RF-s  55 -210 is slower and bigger than the m counterpart

this RF mount is bigger and it isn't as simple as porting over existing lenses

expect slower lenses

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rz64 Regular Member • Posts: 454
Re: …R system better for the future....
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BackToNature1 wrote:

rz64 wrote:

RLight wrote:

abruzzopat wrote:

Interesting that the R lens is 2/3 stop slower than the M lens from 6 years ago. Unless I'm mistaken... keep me honest here.

1/3 stop I believe. At 210mm though.. I suspect it’s f/7.1 @ 200mm as well though.

They kept the form factor and weight, which is the point of M. And the cost, if you count the R50.

Concerning form factor and weight: No R-system is as small and light as the M.

Concerning costs: No R-system is as affordable as the M.

Earning more money is the only reason Canon wants you to attract to the R. But where are comparable lenses to the 11-22, 22, 32, Sigma 56mm?

For me, M remains the perfect system for walking and traveling.

But the R system opens up way more doors to the future. The M, not so much as the Global Camera markets have sank to new lows, yearly. Throw in costs via inflation and the ongoing global supply chain issues, continuing the M systems was never going to be affordable for Canon.

Maybe.

But for me, R doesn't offer such a small camera as my M6 with a "flip-up-screen" and no such light and perfect travel kit in combination with my EF-M and Sigma lenses. And this kit enables me to get good to very good optical results.
Additionally, R requires way more financial commitment. And I always wonder if it is necessary, if I just want small and light.

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MAC Forum Pro • Posts: 18,487
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Wiedehopf wrote:

...and the R8 is quietly replacing the EOS RP (Canon Europe)...

and the R, the R8 is a one for two

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