How your opinion about Sigma fp and fp L would change, if...

They had fast electronic rolling shutter speed like at least 1/200s and raw video could be full sensor readout up to 60 fps? Are these Sigma designs the future, but affordable sensor tech is not quite there yet? They surely are compact, so full frame being too big is more like a pricing issue than anything else because fast sensors are not cheap right now.

I think the fp is fine as it is.

Don

Fotoni wrote:

They had fast electronic rolling shutter speed like at least 1/200s and raw video could be full sensor readout up to 60 fps? Are these Sigma designs the future, but affordable sensor tech is not quite there yet? They surely are compact, so full frame being too big is more like a pricing issue than anything else because fast sensors are not cheap right now.

Fotoni,

The fp with a grip, built in EVF, a hot shoe & mech shutter would be fine for me.

S

Ceistinne wrote:

Fotoni wrote:

They had fast electronic rolling shutter speed like at least 1/200s and raw video could be full sensor readout up to 60 fps? Are these Sigma designs the future, but affordable sensor tech is not quite there yet? They surely are compact, so full frame being too big is more like a pricing issue than anything else because fast sensors are not cheap right now.

Fotoni,

The fp with a grip, built in EVF, a hot shoe & mech shutter would be fine for me.

S

There is a choice of several grips for the fp, from Sigma themselves and others. I like this one:

It also works well on the DP3M. And it's cheap.

A hot shoe is provided with the fp, but you have to attach it to the left hand end.

A lens with its own leaf shutter would be good (but probably very expensive).

Don

… if the images stood out from the images of every other Bayer sensor camera.

Fotoni wrote:

They had fast electronic rolling shutter speed like at least 1/200s and raw video could be full sensor readout up to 60 fps? Are these Sigma designs the future, but affordable sensor tech is not quite there yet? They surely are compact, so full frame being too big is more like a pricing issue than anything else because fast sensors are not cheap right now.

My guess is the fp 2 will have a stacked 24 MP or 26 MP sensor, and it will be capable of shooting 4Kp120, similar to Fuji's X-H2S camera. The fp L2 will do 8Kp30, because it will use Sony's 50 MP stacked sensor, from their A1. Both will cost more than their predecessors, so all four cameras may be sold at the same time, with a price list like this:

fp $1,799

fp 2 $2,299

fp L $2,499

fp L2 $3,499

I wouldn't be surprised if all the cameras will be able to record in 12 bit BRAW internally. (Obviously the fp and fp L would need firmware updates, and Sigma will need to upgrade tge SD card slots to SD Express for the new cameras.)

Iain G Foulds wrote:

… if the images stood out from the images of every other Bayer sensor camera.

That is up to the photographer.

Don

Scottelly wrote:

Fotoni wrote:

They had fast electronic rolling shutter speed like at least 1/200s and raw video could be full sensor readout up to 60 fps? Are these Sigma designs the future, but affordable sensor tech is not quite there yet? They surely are compact, so full frame being too big is more like a pricing issue than anything else because fast sensors are not cheap right now.

My guess is the fp 2 will have a stacked 24 MP or 26 MP sensor, and it will be capable of shooting 4Kp120, similar to Fuji's X-H2S camera. The fp L2 will do 8Kp30, because it will use Sony's 50 MP stacked sensor, from their A1. Both will cost more than their predecessors ... ... etc., etc.

will? !!

D Cox wrote:

Iain G Foulds wrote:

… if the images stood out from the images of every other Bayer sensor camera.

That is up to the photographer.

Don

… Don: If it were simply up to the photographer, why would the camera matter?

D Cox wrote:

Ceistinne wrote:

Fotoni wrote:

They had fast electronic rolling shutter speed like at least 1/200s and raw video could be full sensor readout up to 60 fps? Are these Sigma designs the future, but affordable sensor tech is not quite there yet? They surely are compact, so full frame being too big is more like a pricing issue than anything else because fast sensors are not cheap right now.

Fotoni,

The fp with a grip, built in EVF, a hot shoe & mech shutter would be fine for me.

S

There is a choice of several grips for the fp, from Sigma themselves and others. I like this one:

It also works well on the DP3M. And it's cheap.

A hot shoe is provided with the fp, but you have to attach it to the left hand end.

A lens with its own leaf shutter would be good (but probably very expensive).

Don

Don,

I mean a handgrip as part of the body  something like the one on the Fujifilm XT-5

S

xpatUSA wrote:

Scottelly wrote:

Fotoni wrote:

They had fast electronic rolling shutter speed like at least 1/200s and raw video could be full sensor readout up to 60 fps? Are these Sigma designs the future, but affordable sensor tech is not quite there yet? They surely are compact, so full frame being too big is more like a pricing issue than anything else because fast sensors are not cheap right now.

My guess is the fp 2 will have a stacked 24 MP or 26 MP sensor, and it will be capable of shooting 4Kp120, similar to Fuji's X-H2S camera. The fp L2 will do 8Kp30, because it will use Sony's 50 MP stacked sensor, from their A1. Both will cost more than their predecessors ... ... etc., etc.

will? !!

Yes Ted, that's "my guess." What do you think Ted?  Will there be two new fp models eventually? And will they be called the fp 2 and fp L2?

Fotoni wrote:

They had fast electronic rolling shutter speed like at least 1/200s and raw video could be full sensor readout up to 60 fps? Are these Sigma designs the future, but affordable sensor tech is not quite there yet? They surely are compact, so full frame being too big is more like a pricing issue than anything else because fast sensors are not cheap right now.

The two things holding me back from a Sigma fp are

a) a lack of mechanical and/or fast global shutter - not great for still photography, especially in artificial light

b) a lack of log profile for video / over-sharpening + over contrast in video - not great for (casual) videography

If I could depend on the fp for stills and (casual) video - it would be a no brainer.

But it compromised too much in pursuit of being "the smallest" or whatever.

Iain G Foulds wrote:

D Cox wrote:

Iain G Foulds wrote:

… if the images stood out from the images of every other Bayer sensor camera.

That is up to the photographer.

Don

… Don: If it were simply up to the photographer, why would the camera matter?

I don't think the camera makes such a difference as many people suppose, unless you are taking very high definition shots of architecture.

It's nice to have a good camera, and camera technology is a fascinating subject, but what makes a photograph stand out is the photographer's eye, skill and luck.

Where the camera does make a difference is that some cameras are easy to take with you, while others tend to stay at home. (Of course one can take good photos indoors too.)

Olympus Pen D, Ektachrome

Don

D Cox wrote:

It's nice to have a good camera, and camera technology is a fascinating subject, but what makes a photograph stand out is the photographer's eye, skill and luck.

Where the camera does make a difference is that some cameras are easy to take with you, while others tend to stay at home. (Of course one can take good photos indoors too.)

Don: Then you would be perfectly happy with your phone…

… “Easy” doesn’t interest me. The quality of the image is all that matters.

timccr wrote:

Absolutely agree with your first point but since the Fp can do 12 bit CDNG I don't understand why you want a log profile. What am I missing?

I've only had a couple of afternoons playing with a borrowed Fp but thought it was fantastic apart from the rolling shutter. I'm hoping it's selling well and before long there will be a Mark 2 with a faster sensor and if all they really change is the sensor I don't see the price increasing much, although I'm not an engineer so again I might be missing something.

I'm lazy and if I can capture something in-camera that doesn't require post-processing, I'm all for it - CDNG is too much to bother storing/dealing with

I've heard that the straight-out-of-camera video tends to be overly sharpened and saturated, even if you dial down the settings

If it can get me to a video that needs minimal post processing to look good + eliminate rolling shutter (under artificial light especially) for stills then the fp would be an ideal stills + video camera for me

As is I'm still using Sony (with adapted lenses only) and Fuji (with autofocus lenses) until I can justify a new camera / system

Ideally the fp would replace my Sony as a good setup for adapted lenses and Fuji for some light video work

I've heard of someone using BRAW through the HDMI output and an Atamos but that's too much gear for me to want to keep track of

Ceistinne wrote:

D Cox wrote:

Ceistinne wrote:

Fotoni wrote:

They had fast electronic rolling shutter speed like at least 1/200s and raw video could be full sensor readout up to 60 fps? Are these Sigma designs the future, but affordable sensor tech is not quite there yet? They surely are compact, so full frame being too big is more like a pricing issue than anything else because fast sensors are not cheap right now.

Fotoni,

The fp with a grip, built in EVF, a hot shoe & mech shutter would be fine for me.

S

There is a choice of several grips for the fp, from Sigma themselves and others. I like this one:

It also works well on the DP3M. And it's cheap.

A hot shoe is provided with the fp, but you have to attach it to the left hand end.

A lens with its own leaf shutter would be good (but probably very expensive).

Don

Don,

I mean a handgrip as part of the body something like the one on the Fujifilm XT-5

S

That kind of grip is available, too, for instance from Smallrig.

Don