R8-no ibis vs. R6 MKll - Ibis

MikeJ9116 wrote:

They nearly always gimp a budget model in a way that completely turns me off but this wasn't the case with the R8. They actually gave it the best of the R6/2 and gimped on things that didn't matter all that much. The R8 can do over 90% of what the R6/2 can do. It has the same sensor, AF, ES frame rates, video specs (minus HDMI RAW out), etc.

This right here. For the first time ever, Canon's sub-$2K budget FF model doesn't have a major Achille's Heel of either an outdated focus system or inferior sensor to the competition. Their latest budget models in both sensor formats have come with great sensors and wicked good AF. Like you said, the "core" of the camera is not gimped. In several categories, the camera is class leading for once.  It feels like Canon hasn't been able to claim that for a loooooong time.

The rest of the stuff we can argue it shoulda woulda coulda had fall into the 'nicety' category, but largely aren't gonna make or break you getting the shot. The R8 will deliver images nearly as good as the $6000 R3 from a resolution, noise and DR perspective....and the AF will have a hit rate almost as good. That's impressive!

In the DSLR days, the 6D series was never as close to the 5D series as this new camera is to the models higher in the lineup. And it's even cheaper than the 6D series! I'd call it good progress.

Wing2 wrote:

Assume that you want a relatively economical solution but similar functionality as R6ii, you may want to consider the followings:

To get IBIS functionality, attaching a gimbal such as Dji RS3 Mini costs a lot less than 1000 dollars.

To extend battery life, an external battery power pack connecting through USB-C is very economical.

Yes, it would end up a bit clumsy to operate (especially the gimbal setup), but gimbal also gives smoothness not achievable by IBIS, while the external battery power pack can easily outlast the internal battery of R6

This is an option that I wasn't aware of. No-brainer for video but maybe for still photography as well.

davel33 wrote:

Most of the time in a crowded place, I really hate to see someone with a tripod They seem to think that everyone should move out of there way while do the setup dance. When I am already shooting at a nice spot and someone with a tripod comes up and ask me to move, I say NO.

Tripods aren't an issue out in the wild or off the beaten path.

For times that I've used one on city streets, it's like a swat drill - unfold the legs quickly, aim, shot, fold the legs and move on.

VanDyck wrote:

davel33 wrote:

Most of the time in a crowded place, I really hate to see someone with a tripod They seem to think that everyone should move out of there way while do the setup dance. When I am already shooting at a nice spot and someone with a tripod comes up and ask me to move, I say NO.

Tripods aren't an issue out in the wild or off the beaten path.

For times that I've used one on city streets, it's like a swat drill - unfold the legs quickly, aim, shot, fold the legs and move on.

Awesome thanks

MikeJ9116 wrote:

CamerEyes wrote:

VanDyck wrote:

CamerEyes wrote:

VanDyck wrote:

Hello,

I'm an enthusiast stills 6D shooter - landscapes, colorful night skies, city streets, and macro, but generally not portraits as according to my wife I have a gift for capturing unflattering images of people. Having said that, I'm pretty good with cats!

Most of the time, I shoot with a tripod for sharp shots as my hands do imperceptably shake a bit at times.

The R6 MKll has been on my radar screen and I've requested an in-stock alert. Then comes the R8. Price and functionality could justify pre-ordering it right now! I've gotten over my grumbling about the small battery as it looks like I can order an RP battery grip. The bigger question is ibis vs. no ibis.

The notion of a light weight R body with a few modern RF lenses for hand-held shots is enticing. Hand-held video is a great option but it's not my priority.

If I order the R8, will I regret not having ibis???

Thoughts? Recommendations?

If you don't need IBIS and joystick - which to me are the major omissions in the R8, go for it.

I am on EFCS 90% of the time on my R6Mii so that I think should not be an issue as well.

Then there's the battery life. I am not talking about juice. I am talking about how weird that battery has been on my other Canon bodies before that used the same battery. Granting they may have introduced software fixes, which is unclear, that battery goes from full to zero in a manner that poses no warning. I can no longer count the number of times when using that battery, it suddenly just turned red. Sometimes, red means I still have 30-50 shots left. Sometimes red means the camera won't power up anymore. That problem goes away if you tether your camera to an external PD power bank, of course, which can give you much more juice. And power banks would usually have a more reliable power level indicator.

To date, I've never had issues with the duration of charge or dependability of the LP-E6 batteries for the 6D. Not making a sweeping statement, but that has been my experience.

I'd certainly consider a battery grip or power bank for the R8.

Oh, you should know that the R8 will have a different battery. It's not the LP-E6 series that goes with the 6D / 5D DSLR series and not the battery that is used by the R, R6, R7?

It's using the LP-E17 and that's what my comment is all about. And no, don't count on a battery grip from Canon or any third party for that matter.

Vello makes a grip for the RP that accommodates two LP-E17 batteries for around $80. If it is compatible with the R8 then there is a grip option available.

That may be an option worth trying. No guarantees that both LP-E17 batteries won't misbehave but it's a way to address such risk.

MikeJ9116 wrote:

sportyaccordy wrote:

MikeJ9116 wrote:

IMO, the R8 is a camera designed and priced to bring people from DSLRs and other brands into the Canon ecosystem. It will probably even bring some Fuji users to Canon. For me it has taken buying into Fuji or Canon for APS-C off the table and staying with Canon for FF only. IMO, the only thing that is strange about the R8 is that Canon released an incredibly capable, small, lightweight camera that they didn't gimp much at a very attractive price point.

I respect your opinion, but disagree. I mean maybe that was Canon's intention, but I don't think the R8 is a big gamechanger for the RF system/user base. Canon RF is 5 years old now I think.... I'd wager if anyone hasn't moved over by now, odds are extremely high they never will.

I def don't see this luring Fuji users over either. Yes the R8 has better AF & marginally better IQ, but beyond that, for someone in that ~$3-4K system budget Fuji X is substantially better value, with better affordable lens selection, IBIS, the list goes on and on. Only thing this has over the R7 IMO is sensor size and lens selection, but Canon did the bare minimum with EF-S lens wise and seems keen to maintain that tradition with RF-S.

Obviously it's not a bad camera; there's no such thing in 2023 in this price range....... but it's definitely no slam dunk or head and shoulders easy choice in the marketplace.

I don't think the R8 is going to bring a horde of users (APS-C or FF) from other brands. It will bring some though. The main purpose of the R8, IMO, is to keep the Canon base in the fold. It will entice a lot of Canon DSLR users, and likely a number of Nikon DSLR users, to buy it. I am a perfect example of this. I have been wanting to move from an APS-C Canon DSLR for a number of years. I waited Canon out till they finally have offered three APS-C models. I was heavily tilting to Fuji and decided to wait until this latest announcement was out. The R8 was something I didn't expect from Canon. They nearly always gimp a budget model in a way that completely turns me off but this wasn't the case with the R8. They actually gave it the best of the R6/2 and gimped on things that didn't matter all that much. The R8 can do over 90% of what the R6/2 can do. It has the same sensor, AF, ES frame rates, video specs (minus HDMI RAW out), etc.

The R8 comes in at a $1k lower price point than the R6 and the cost is some lower specs that doesn't impact me all that much. In return, I can apply that $1k saved and get two RF lenses I have been wanting. I also don't have to spend money on a separate APS-C system because the R8 is very small and lightweight and can utilize some small and lightweight RF/EF lenses. Plus, I have all the benefits of shooting a FF camera. It didn't take me more than thirty minutes to realize the R8 covered all my bases and simplified the kit I will be shooting with going forward. I don't think I am alone in having this epiphany. I think a lot of Canon DSLR users will have the same response. The R8 is Canon's Swiss army knife of camera bodies. Name another FF camera maker that can tough the R8 for the price. It has better AF ability than the R3! While Canon left out some peripheral features with the R8 it hit the bullseye regarding its core capabilities. As time goes on I think it will be a very important camera for Canon and its user base. It will also bring a few new people into the fold from other brands as a bonus.

Fair assessment. It's not for me, but that doesn't mean it won't work for anybody. It's just a strangely specced camera to me.

What about splitting the difference and buying an R6? You get almost all the good stuff of the Mark II (including IBIS), and you can save $300 or $400. If I had waited, I would have bought the Mark II, of course, but I bought the R6 shortly after it came out, and I don't have any regrets.

sportyaccordy wrote:

MikeJ9116 wrote:

sportyaccordy wrote:

MikeJ9116 wrote:

IMO, the R8 is a camera designed and priced to bring people from DSLRs and other brands into the Canon ecosystem. It will probably even bring some Fuji users to Canon. For me it has taken buying into Fuji or Canon for APS-C off the table and staying with Canon for FF only. IMO, the only thing that is strange about the R8 is that Canon released an incredibly capable, small, lightweight camera that they didn't gimp much at a very attractive price point.

I respect your opinion, but disagree. I mean maybe that was Canon's intention, but I don't think the R8 is a big gamechanger for the RF system/user base. Canon RF is 5 years old now I think.... I'd wager if anyone hasn't moved over by now, odds are extremely high they never will.

I def don't see this luring Fuji users over either. Yes the R8 has better AF & marginally better IQ, but beyond that, for someone in that ~$3-4K system budget Fuji X is substantially better value, with better affordable lens selection, IBIS, the list goes on and on. Only thing this has over the R7 IMO is sensor size and lens selection, but Canon did the bare minimum with EF-S lens wise and seems keen to maintain that tradition with RF-S.

Obviously it's not a bad camera; there's no such thing in 2023 in this price range....... but it's definitely no slam dunk or head and shoulders easy choice in the marketplace.

I don't think the R8 is going to bring a horde of users (APS-C or FF) from other brands. It will bring some though. The main purpose of the R8, IMO, is to keep the Canon base in the fold. It will entice a lot of Canon DSLR users, and likely a number of Nikon DSLR users, to buy it. I am a perfect example of this. I have been wanting to move from an APS-C Canon DSLR for a number of years. I waited Canon out till they finally have offered three APS-C models. I was heavily tilting to Fuji and decided to wait until this latest announcement was out. The R8 was something I didn't expect from Canon. They nearly always gimp a budget model in a way that completely turns me off but this wasn't the case with the R8. They actually gave it the best of the R6/2 and gimped on things that didn't matter all that much. The R8 can do over 90% of what the R6/2 can do. It has the same sensor, AF, ES frame rates, video specs (minus HDMI RAW out), etc.

The R8 comes in at a $1k lower price point than the R6 and the cost is some lower specs that doesn't impact me all that much. In return, I can apply that $1k saved and get two RF lenses I have been wanting. I also don't have to spend money on a separate APS-C system because the R8 is very small and lightweight and can utilize some small and lightweight RF/EF lenses. Plus, I have all the benefits of shooting a FF camera. It didn't take me more than thirty minutes to realize the R8 covered all my bases and simplified the kit I will be shooting with going forward. I don't think I am alone in having this epiphany. I think a lot of Canon DSLR users will have the same response. The R8 is Canon's Swiss army knife of camera bodies. Name another FF camera maker that can tough the R8 for the price. It has better AF ability than the R3! While Canon left out some peripheral features with the R8 it hit the bullseye regarding its core capabilities. As time goes on I think it will be a very important camera for Canon and its user base. It will also bring a few new people into the fold from other brands as a bonus.

Fair assessment. It's not for me, but that doesn't mean it won't work for anybody. It's just a strangely specced camera to me.

YMMV, but the older A7III is strangely spec'ed for *me* with only 30 min of recording time, no 4K 60, a whopping 2.3EV less focus acquisition, no e-shutter, no 40 fps, less RAW's during continuous shooting, no CRAW, no ss 1/16,000 for daylight with wide open primes, 130% of the weight, 133% of the price, no focus bracketing, less focus points, less metering options, clunky ergonomics, strange colors, etc

but hey, it has IBIS and a better battery life and dual slots, but its long in the tooth now but was the thing when it introduced.

Sony Alpha 7 III Compared to the Canon EOS R8 (the-digital-picture.com)

IBIS not required but nice to have. As one person mentioned.

R8 with nice lens or R6ii.