R8-no ibis vs. R6 MKll - Ibis

Hello,

I'm an enthusiast stills 6D shooter - landscapes, colorful night skies, city streets, and macro, but generally not portraits as according to my wife I have a gift for capturing unflattering images of people. Having said that, I'm pretty good with cats!

Most of the time, I shoot with a tripod for sharp shots as my hands do imperceptably shake a bit at times.

The R6 MKll has been on my radar screen and I've requested an in-stock alert. Then comes the R8. Price and functionality could justify pre-ordering it right now! I've gotten over my grumbling about the small battery as it looks like I can order an RP battery grip. The bigger question is ibis vs. no ibis.

The notion of a light weight R body with a few modern RF lenses for hand-held shots is enticing. Hand-held video is a great option but it's not my priority.

If I order the R8, will I regret not having ibis???

Thoughts? Recommendations?

VanDyck...

I still manage to get sharp pictures with my 5D classic and my 6D, both IBIS-less. I have an RP paired with the RF 35mm f1.8 which has IS (so my 24-105mm) and get consistently sharp images of small objects at 1/8 or even 1/4 of a second.

Personally I would go for the R8 and with those extra $1000 buy a couple of those sweet primes

I have the R6II, and I will say IBIS is lovely to have. It's great if you have (or plan to acquire) older glass that doesn't have IS, and in the long run could save you money as you can buy the non-IS versions of lenses for cheaper prices. For example, I found I could handhold my old 70-200 that didn't have IS down to about 1/15th of a second at 200mm. That's pretty impressive. You can snag that lens for a song these days; much cheaper than the IS versions.

As nice as IBIS can be, we've obviously survived without it up to this point. I wouldn't call it a "must have", but now that I've got it, I'd rather have it. Kinda like my heated mattress pad in winter...I could survive without it but why?

That said, if it came down to the choice of the R8 plus a couple of lenses you want vs. just the R6II body only, I'd vote for the R8. It looks like it will be a fantastic camera. Plus most of the RF lenses have IS built-in.

I'll toss out a third option to consider:  a second hand R6.  Use prices have dropped considerably since the R6II was released.  You could find a clean one for only a couple hundred $$ more than the R8.

VanDyck wrote:

Hello,

I'm an enthusiast stills 6D shooter - landscapes, colorful night skies, city streets, and macro, but generally not portraits as according to my wife I have a gift for capturing unflattering images of people. Having said that, I'm pretty good with cats!

Most of the time, I shoot with a tripod for sharp shots as my hands do imperceptably shake a bit at times.

The R6 MKll has been on my radar screen and I've requested an in-stock alert. Then comes the R8. Price and functionality could justify pre-ordering it right now! I've gotten over my grumbling about the small battery as it looks like I can order an RP battery grip. The bigger question is ibis vs. no ibis.

The notion of a light weight R body with a few modern RF lenses for hand-held shots is enticing. Hand-held video is a great option but it's not my priority.

If I order the R8, will I regret not having ibis???

Depends on what focal lengths you use most often. IBIS  is most noticeably a benefit up to around 200mm. If you spend a lot of time at 400mm or more the lens IS will do most or all of the stabilization.

I'd like to say thank you up front to those who have and will respond to my question.

Foskito wrote:

VanDyck...

I still manage to get sharp pictures with my 5D classic and my 6D, both IBIS-less. I have an RP paired with the RF 35mm f1.8 which has IS (so my 24-105mm) and get consistently sharp images of small objects at 1/8 or even 1/4 of a second.

Personally I would go for the R8 and with those extra $1000 buy a couple of those sweet primes

Foskito,

Your last statement reflects my thinking at the moment. 

Since I will continues to mostly use a tripod, the R8 + RF primes makes good sense.

Looking at your gear list, you have EF-mount IS lenses. Those don't really benefit from IBIS on R-mount cameras. So with your current lenses, IBIS wouldn't add much, if anything.

For non-telephoto non-IS lenses and RF-mount IS lenses, IBIS does add a lot. Your 180mm won't benefit, the EVF will be a bit more stable, that's it.

VanDyck wrote:

Foskito wrote:

VanDyck...

I still manage to get sharp pictures with my 5D classic and my 6D, both IBIS-less. I have an RP paired with the RF 35mm f1.8 which has IS (so my 24-105mm) and get consistently sharp images of small objects at 1/8 or even 1/4 of a second.

Personally I would go for the R8 and with those extra $1000 buy a couple of those sweet primes

Foskito,

Your last statement reflects my thinking at the moment.

Since I will continues to mostly use a tripod, the R8 + RF primes mak good sense.

I strongly vouch for the 35mm as an all-rounder. My next stop will be the 85mm f2 followed by the 24mm f1.8 and pretty much I am set.

gipper51 wrote:

I have the R6II, and I will say IBIS is lovely to have. It's great if you have (or plan to acquire) older glass that doesn't have IS, and in the long run could save you money as you can buy the non-IS versions of lenses for cheaper prices. For example, I found I could handhold my old 70-200 that didn't have IS down to about 1/15th of a second at 200mm. That's pretty impressive. You can snag that lens for a song these days; much cheaper than the IS versions.

This is a compelling point especially for walking around and capturing hand-held shot!.

As nice as IBIS can be, we've obviously survived without it up to this point. I wouldn't call it a "must have", but now that I've got it, I'd rather have it. Kinda like my heated mattress pad in winter...I could survive without it but why?

That said, if it came down to the choice of the R8 plus a couple of lenses you want vs. just the R6II body only, I'd vote for the R8. It looks like it will be a fantastic camera. Plus most of the RF lenses have IS built-in.

I'm seriously leaning towards the latter option. I don't shoot events and would mostly use a tripod. A small light weight RF prime may be a good balance option for hand-held shots in my case

I'll toss out a third option to consider: a second hand R6. Use prices have dropped considerably since the R6II was released. You could find a clean one for only a couple hundred $$ more than the R8.

That has crossed my mind as well, and no pun intended, is still a consideration.

Many thanks for your thoughtful recommendations!!!

bodeswell wrote:

VanDyck wrote:

Hello,

I'm an enthusiast stills 6D shooter - landscapes, colorful night skies, city streets, and macro, but generally not portraits as according to my wife I have a gift for capturing unflattering images of people. Having said that, I'm pretty good with cats!

Most of the time, I shoot with a tripod for sharp shots as my hands do imperceptably shake a bit at times.

The R6 MKll has been on my radar screen and I've requested an in-stock alert. Then comes the R8. Price and functionality could justify pre-ordering it right now! I've gotten over my grumbling about the small battery as it looks like I can order an RP battery grip. The bigger question is ibis vs. no ibis.

The notion of a light weight R body with a few modern RF lenses for hand-held shots is enticing. Hand-held video is a great option but it's not my priority.

If I order the R8, will I regret not having ibis???

Depends on what focal lengths you use most often. IBIS is most noticeably a benefit up to around 200mm. If you spend a lot of time at 400mm or more the lens IS will do most or all of the stabilization.

That information is most helpful!

I have a tripod and gimbal for 400mm and longer and can't see myself hand holding even the RF 600 or 800 F/11 in the future, with  Lens IS, although I will test it out when the time comes.:-D

VanDyck wrote:

gipper51 wrote:

I have the R6II, and I will say IBIS is lovely to have. It's great if you have (or plan to acquire) older glass that doesn't have IS, and in the long run could save you money as you can buy the non-IS versions of lenses for cheaper prices. For example, I found I could handhold my old 70-200 that didn't have IS down to about 1/15th of a second at 200mm. That's pretty impressive. You can snag that lens for a song these days; much cheaper than the IS versions.

This is a compelling point especially for walking around and capturing hand-held shot!.

As nice as IBIS can be, we've obviously survived without it up to this point. I wouldn't call it a "must have", but now that I've got it, I'd rather have it. Kinda like my heated mattress pad in winter...I could survive without it but why?

That said, if it came down to the choice of the R8 plus a couple of lenses you want vs. just the R6II body only, I'd vote for the R8. It looks like it will be a fantastic camera. Plus most of the RF lenses have IS built-in.

I'm seriously leaning towards the latter option. I don't shoot events and would mostly use a tripod. A small light weight RF prime may be a good balance option for hand-held shots in my case

I'll toss out a third option to consider: a second hand R6. Use prices have dropped considerably since the R6II was released. You could find a clean one for only a couple hundred $$ more than the R8.

That has crossed my mind as well, and no pun intended, is still a consideration.

Many thanks for your thoughtful recommendations!!!

The R6 is 20mp and the R8 sensor -the same as the R6ii- is better in all aspects. Also the R8 has superior video features.

Besides IBIS I don't see why I would choose an R6 over the R8 even for the same money 🤔

Foskito wrote:

The R6 is 20mp and the R8 sensor -the same as the R6ii- is better in all aspects. Also the R8 has superior video features.

Besides IBIS I don't see why I would choose an R6 over the R8 even for the same money 🤔

20 vs 24MP doesn't really add much to actual photos.  Sure it's more, but not enough to really make a difference.  If 20MP is not enough, 24MP isn't going to save the day.  The noise and DR of the two sensors is pretty close.  To me, the sensor is basically a tie between the two.

The R6 is a step up in many areas, just a question if it matters to each photographer.  Better EVF, more buttons and dials, AF joystick, dual card slots, IBIS, faster shooting with mechanical shutters, bigger battery, more weather sealing, etc.

For some shooters none of that will be a compelling reason to get the R6.  If so, go with the R8.  The AF and image quality will be a tad better, which are the two areas Canon was smart to prioritize on the R8!

Can't go wrong with either choice really.

gipper51 wrote:

Foskito wrote:

The R6 is 20mp and the R8 sensor -the same as the R6ii- is better in all aspects. Also the R8 has superior video features.

Besides IBIS I don't see why I would choose an R6 over the R8 even for the same money 🤔

20 vs 24MP doesn't really add much to actual photos. Sure it's more, but not enough to really make a difference. If 20MP is not enough, 24MP isn't going to save the day. The noise and DR of the two sensors is pretty close. To me, the sensor is basically a tie between the two.

The R6 is a step up in many areas, just a question if it matters to each photographer. Better EVF, more buttons and dials, AF joystick, dual card slots, IBIS, faster shooting with mechanical shutters, bigger battery, more weather sealing, etc.

For some shooters none of that will be a compelling reason to get the R6. If so, go with the R8. The AF and image quality will be a tad better, which are the two areas Canon was smart to prioritize on the R8!

Can't go wrong with either choice really.

Of course 4mp might not sound as much, but also it is supposed to have better DR... (I can't confirm that)

Yes, can’t go wrong with any current camera.

jumpthesnark wrote:

If you are using a tripod, no IBIS is necessary. You mentioned night sky photography, and when I do the same I have my camera on a tripod with all stabilization turned off.

Yes!!!

Because at that point, it can only introduce lens/sensor movement.

That said, go for the R8 and spend the rest of your budget on lenses, as others have said here.

Will do!!!:-D

VanDyck wrote:

bodeswell wrote:

VanDyck wrote:

Hello,

I'm an enthusiast stills 6D shooter - landscapes, colorful night skies, city streets, and macro, but generally not portraits as according to my wife I have a gift for capturing unflattering images of people. Having said that, I'm pretty good with cats!

Most of the time, I shoot with a tripod for sharp shots as my hands do imperceptably shake a bit at times.

The R6 MKll has been on my radar screen and I've requested an in-stock alert. Then comes the R8. Price and functionality could justify pre-ordering it right now! I've gotten over my grumbling about the small battery as it looks like I can order an RP battery grip. The bigger question is ibis vs. no ibis.

The notion of a light weight R body with a few modern RF lenses for hand-held shots is enticing. Hand-held video is a great option but it's not my priority.

If I order the R8, will I regret not having ibis???

Depends on what focal lengths you use most often. IBIS is most noticeably a benefit up to around 200mm. If you spend a lot of time at 400mm or more the lens IS will do most or all of the stabilization.

That information is most helpful!

I have a tripod and gimbal for 400mm and longer and can't see myself hand holding even the RF 600 or 800 F/11 in the future, with Lens IS, although I will test it out when the time comes.:-D

The RF 600 F/11 is remarkably light!

The IBIS is nice, but don't forget that Canon still includes OIS in a good chunk of their RF lenses. Most of the real world examples I've seen for the impact of IBIS on RF lenses with OIS is that it adds maybe a stop or two at the absolute most. Coming from a 6D, you're going to be getting a stop or two better low light performance anyway, so you can push your ISO higher if you need to for a given shutter speed without worry.

Ephemeris wrote:

koenkooi wrote:

Looking at your gear list, you have EF-mount IS lenses. Those don't really benefit from IBIS on R-mount cameras. So with your current lenses, IBIS wouldn't add much, if anything.

For non-telephoto non-IS lenses and RF-mount IS lenses, IBIS does add a lot. Your 180mm won't benefit, the EVF will be a bit more stable, that's it.

I wasn't too sure but I think you are saying that EF lenses (any) don't really benefit from IBIS on R lenses. If I have misunderstood I apologise.

We have some EF lenses on R5s, not all owned now but it has covered 24mm to 200mm (and have extenders). Also a 100mm macro.

I'd say it's provided a good improvement over an R generally.

EF lenses with IS in the lens don’t really benefit from IBIS, nor do telephoto lenses without IS.

The lenses that benefit from IBIS are EF lenses up to 80-ish mm, without IS in the lens. All RF lenses benefit from IBIS, regardless of having IS in the lens or not.

My EF28mm benefits a lot, my EF85 a bit and my EF180 only benefits from less shake in the EVF. The EF100L I had actually performed worse at macro distances, which is why I replaced that one with the RF100.

I don’t have the steadiest hands in the world, so you might get better results