R50 vs M50 MkII

Interesting possible successor to the M line. Very similar in a lot of ways, megapixels, weight and size and only around $100 more in cost but then again the R50 is brand new. Look like the biggest difference is burst rate being a bit faster with both mechanical and electronic shutter. And the video capabilities are improved as well as a slightly higher resolution LCD screen. LCD battery life is higher but EVF is a bit lower than the M50.

I'm not worried, cameras come and go. I still like my M5 and the MF lenses I own and have no interest in selling. I own the R and R7 and several RF lenses. They all have a place in my bag of gear when needed. My biggest complaint with the RF-S lineup of lenses is nothing like the MF 11-22mm which I dearly love. But eventually they will most likely introduce one.

I am more interested in R8.

Both the R50 and the R8 don’t have a true mechanical shutter anymore and the sensor readout isn’t the fastest.

I own a R5 and a M6 II which complement each other in a great way. But I don’t see myself buying a cr*pple-hammered lower budget RF(-S) camera which kind of looks like a toy camera from Amazon, but in black.

The M mount still feels like something special for me that we won’t get from Canon in a very long time.

I think the eos r50 is a fantastic camera, but eos-m lenses are obviously more attractive than rf-s at this point.

but I think the release heralds a retreat from eos-m on canons part. Maybe they will release one more statement piece body, like Nikons d850 and Sonys a99ii, but for all intents and purposes, this is it. No more lenses or bodies.

The m6 mark ii probably was that statement piece though

I bought the M50 II as a gift. Beautiful little camera. No ES, but shutter is quiet and seems smooth with little or no shock.

And small, so you can take that along in addition to another camera, for the EF-M 11-22.  Keep it and enjoy it, or give it to me. 

Shooters on My Squad wrote:

Both the R50 and the R8 don’t have a true mechanical shutter anymore and the sensor readout isn’t the fastest.

I own a R5 and a M6 II which complement each other in a great way. But I don’t see myself buying a cr*pple-hammered lower budget RF(-S) camera which kind of looks like a toy camera from Amazon, but in black.

The M mount still feels like something special for me that we won’t get from Canon in a very long time.

How is it not a true shutter? Presumably they could do a first curtain if they wanted to in firmware?

they are pretty much as fast as can be without stacked or global shutter

SafariBob wrote:

Shooters on My Squad wrote:

Both the R50 and the R8 don’t have a true mechanical shutter anymore and the sensor readout isn’t the fastest.

I own a R5 and a M6 II which complement each other in a great way. But I don’t see myself buying a cr*pple-hammered lower budget RF(-S) camera which kind of looks like a toy camera from Amazon, but in black.

The M mount still feels like something special for me that we won’t get from Canon in a very long time.

How is it not a true shutter? Presumably they could do a first curtain if they wanted to in firmware?

they are pretty much as fast as can be without stacked or global shutter

It's an electronic first-curtain shutter.  It also has an electronic shutter, but not in all modes.

For my use cases (stills only, nothing moving in the frame) buying the R50 (or even the R10) now would make no sense as a current  owner of a M50 and M6II plus 5 ef-m lenses (and access to more native AF lenses through sigma and viltrox).
I would need to buy a worse kit lens (18-45) and similar all-in-one (18-150) and telephoto (55-210/100-400) lenses, for the benefit of having a slightly larger battery, better LCD, ES in manual modes (compared to the m50, not the M6II).

Access to current RF lenses is more than made up by access to the sigma/viltrox primes and EF lenses (I don’t mind using an adapter with my 70-300 USM II, for example, as the lens size and weight is beyond the point the adapter makes a big difference).

But I am sure for video shooters and action photographers the improvements are good enough to justify the ‘switch’ from M to R now…and I am happy to see a path forward with Canon once the M cameras don’t work anymore (it might be a while…😊).

ThrillaMozilla wrote:

SafariBob wrote:

Shooters on My Squad wrote:

Both the R50 and the R8 don’t have a true mechanical shutter anymore and the sensor readout isn’t the fastest.

I own a R5 and a M6 II which complement each other in a great way. But I don’t see myself buying a cr*pple-hammered lower budget RF(-S) camera which kind of looks like a toy camera from Amazon, but in black.

The M mount still feels like something special for me that we won’t get from Canon in a very long time.

How is it not a true shutter? Presumably they could do a first curtain if they wanted to in firmware?

they are pretty much as fast as can be without stacked or global shutter

It's an electronic first-curtain shutter. It also has an electronic shutter, but not in all modes.

It’s the same shutter that does the first curtain and final in cameras that do this.

SafariBob wrote:

ThrillaMozilla wrote:

SafariBob wrote:

Shooters on My Squad wrote:

Both the R50 and the R8 don’t have a true mechanical shutter anymore and the sensor readout isn’t the fastest.

I own a R5 and a M6 II which complement each other in a great way. But I don’t see myself buying a cr*pple-hammered lower budget RF(-S) camera which kind of looks like a toy camera from Amazon, but in black.

The M mount still feels like something special for me that we won’t get from Canon in a very long time.

How is it not a true shutter? Presumably they could do a first curtain if they wanted to in firmware?

they are pretty much as fast as can be without stacked or global shutter

It's an electronic first-curtain shutter. It also has an electronic shutter, but not in all modes.

It’s the same shutter that does the first curtain and final in cameras that do this.

It's actually a smooth, quiet shutter.  I would much rather have that than an all-mechanical shutter.

The EFCS was found to pose a small problem at f/1.2 at 1/8000 second.  Few users will ever encounter that case, and I know I won't.  EFCS has been used in some of the most expensive Canon and Nikon cameras.

As I wrote, it's a very nice camera.  Enjoy it.

Fjzk wrote:

For my use cases (stills only, nothing moving in the frame) buying the R50 (or even the R10) now would make no sense as a current owner of a M50 and M6II plus 5 ef-m lenses (and access to more native AF lenses through sigma and viltrox).
I would need to buy a worse kit lens (18-45) and similar all-in-one (18-150) and telephoto (55-210/100-400) lenses, for the benefit of having a slightly larger battery, better LCD, ES in manual modes (compared to the m50, not the M6II).

Access to current RF lenses is more than made up by access to the sigma/viltrox primes and EF lenses (I don’t mind using an adapter with my 70-300 USM II, for example, as the lens size and weight is beyond the point the adapter makes a big difference).

But I am sure for video shooters and action photographers the improvements are good enough to justify the ‘switch’ from M to R now…and I am happy to see a path forward with Canon once the M cameras don’t work anymore (it might be a while…😊).

This is pretty much where I am. Nothing compelling to move up from the M6ii plus I'd lose access to some of the best APS-C lenses (Siggy 16 & 56 and EF-M 32.)

Although every new crop R body that comes out gets my keen interest to see what it can do. The R50 confirms the path most of us have thought Canon would take.

Disappointing they did the RF-S 55-210 and not the 11-22 so many were hoping for next!

Shooters on My Squad wrote:

I own a R5 and a M6 II which complement each other in a great way. But I don’t see myself buying a cr*pple-hammered lower budget RF(-S) camera which kind of looks like a toy camera from Amazon, but in black.

I'm looking at pairing an M6II with my R5 as well. Most likely pairing it with the 22mm f2 for a pocketable EDC camera and a lightweight (but not entry level camera) to throw in my pocket for travel.

Do you find the lack of weather sealing and IBIS on the M6II limiting? In using the combo of the R5 with M6II, is there anything you wish was different with the M6II?

Thanks!

justmeMN wrote:

One difference:

M50 II (DPR): "The 4K/24p video is heavily cropped and you can't use the camera's dual-pixel autofocus (it's contrast-detection only)."

R50 (Canon): "4K video, uncropped 4K capture (at all frame rates), and outstanding Dual Pixel CMOS AF technology."

Also:

R50 (DPR): "The R50's most compelling feature is probably its autofocus system. It's a relatively simple but very powerful system that combines a series of subject recognition modes with tenacious tracking."

The camera does need a sharp enough picture with enough light to do good tracking.

So a M50II with a EF-M 32mm or 22mm lens will do eye focus in a room at the party that the R50 with a RF-s lens might not be able to do because the RF-s lenses are slow and do not let much light in compared to the fast sharp M mount lenses ?

I will most likely not move to RF(S), I'd rather check out Sony 6xxxx series (with IBIS!) which is supposed to be updated this year, since I'd have to buy new lenses anyway when moving away from M-system.

A camera is a tool and no religion! So I will just move on and forget about Canon.... 🤷

Ember88 wrote:

Shooters on My Squad wrote:

I own a R5 and a M6 II which complement each other in a great way. But I don’t see myself buying a cr*pple-hammered lower budget RF(-S) camera which kind of looks like a toy camera from Amazon, but in black.

I'm looking at pairing an M6II with my R5 as well. Most likely pairing it with the 22mm f2 for a pocketable EDC camera and a lightweight (but not entry level camera) to throw in my pocket for travel.

Do you find the lack of weather sealing and IBIS on the M6II limiting? In using the combo of the R5 with M6II, is there anything you wish was different with the M6II?

I don’t really think it’s limiting in the way I use the camera, but weather sealing & IBIS are on top of my wishlist for an M6III.

Most probably this will never happen, as it wouldn’t make sense to have a rugged body but no weather sealed lenses for the mount. It would also make the body bigger.

Video is not a strength of the body, but for the occasional clip it is enough if you can live with the crop or do the stabilization in post. And I usually have my smartphone or the DJI with me which are more than good enough for my purposes in good weather conditions. That said I use the M6II for video conferences on a tripod and a couple of people told me how impressed they were and asked which computer I use that has such a nice built-in camera.

I think it’s a great pocketable camera. I use it as a good weather camera, for regional travel and (heavily) for bike trips where I can put everything in a backpack in case of unplanned weather disruptions.

If I need a smaller, weather sealed camera, I usually take one of the Fuuj bodies with me, but they are bigger and heavier than the nice little M6II with its top notch build quality.

I am happy with my Canon gear, don’t plan to switch to other brands anytime soon but it is a disappointment that they have not tried anything really new in these cameras. For the most part they re-used the bodies of the M50 (just changing the single dial’s position) and RP and added the new processor and video features from more expensive R cameras.

For my use the R50 in particular would have greatly benefited from a second dial and control over the minimum shutter speed (did they add that??) but that would steal sales from the R10..As it stands today, in my opinion, the R10 is really the best value proposition for cameras between 500 and a thousand dollars, all brands considered.

In terms of lenses, they could have released the 11-22 first, to increase the crop cameras’ appeal to video shooters and given us at least 250mm at the long end of the new telephoto lens (but I think they really want us to buy the 100-400 if we want more reach…).