R8 predicted specs: Full frame at $1499

With new information on the upcoming full frame camera, what's your expectations/predictions on its specs

https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-will-soon-announce-the-canon-eos-r8-and-canon-eos-r50-along-with-two-new-kit-lenses/

Canon EOS R8

• Will be body only or kitted with the Canon RF 24-50mm f/4.5-6.3 IS STM
• Pricing: $1499 Body Only (USD)
• Pricing: $1699 Canon EOS R8 with RF 24-50 IS STM (USD)

It's most direct competitor from Sony seems like the A7C/III

My guess is:

• 24mp sensor from R6II (unless they decide to develop another sensor)
• Between 7-10fps max mechanical burst rate (probably would be closer to the lower end of that range)
• 4K30p full from 6k readout, IPB only (no All-I), C-log3
• Possibly 4K60p cropped
• No IBIS
• EOS RP/R10 style control layout, no top screen, has twin dials, no joystick but has a D-pad
• LP-E6NH battery if Canon is generous
• 2.36M viewfinder
• Weight around 600-650g: this is a result of the additional bulk needed for both the housing of and the weight of the LP-E6NH battery
• None of the gimping from the RP (we get silent shutter, focusing aids, in camera manual HDR)

Basically a full frame R10 with an LP-E6NH battery and better video specs

My justifications:

• Canon doesn't mind existing R users not upgrading if only for photo features, if they want a higher megapixel sensor, they should upgrade to the R5. On the other hand, they wish to capture any R users who want to upgrade because of new video features as Canon has shown a trickle of advanced video features and 4K down to the more economical models
• The lower max mechanical fps should leave a sufficient gap between it and the R6II
• The R10/RP style controls, sufficiently functional with the touchscreen, but lacking the joystick which has always been reserved for more pro models
• Clog-3 is still in question, though it is very likely since their target market includes content creators
• 2.36M viewfinder to keep costs in check. This camera is released at $200 more than the RP, so cost should come as a consideration for some components
• No IBIS: the majority of the R system's lens have optical IS, moreover, all inexpensive RF zooms have IS. The upcoming 24-50mm RF STM IS shows their commitment to this strategy

They will probably stop production of EOS RPs (I think they stopped EOS R at this stage?).

Even if one or two of the specs I mentioned are gimped, this camera is going to sell like hot cakes. I am really excited for its launch!

With my R6 mk 2, for the first time in my life, I have Av mode when I am shooting video.

With my 6D mk 2, there wasn't any. But I think the 5D mk iv, had it.

It's a feature that they hold back to differentiate the pricing, I think.

So no Av mode in video on the R8 ?

Make an RP with upgraded sensor, IBIS, and 5-7fps and it should be great.  I have no issues with the smaller batteries to keep the size down.

cnyphotoguy wrote:

Make an RP with upgraded sensor, IBIS, and 5-7fps and it should be great. I have no issues with the smaller batteries to keep the size down.

I think this makes a lot of sense, for the camera to have a stronger appeal to the casual crowd, the lighter LP-E17 might be used. Hopefully we get battery better tech in that form factor from this release

I'd also like to revise my prediction, I think 4K60p cropped might be unlikely too. Just like the way they removed dual pixel from the RP's 4K cropped, they could want to reduce the feature set and not provide 4K60p in any form

Honestly the way canon has done things this far the least likely inclusion would be the LPE6NH battery. I would be shocked to find anything that large in this model.

I also wouldn't be surprised if they use the R6 I sensor, not the R6II. With the R6 likely leaving production it's either a result of the 1DXIII sensors also leaving production and stocks are low, OR they moved to the 24mp sensor for the R6II to make room for sensors to be used in the R8.

That said, it would also be very economical to use the same sensor. I say 50/50 guess right now.

I understand it kind of being a lower tier model, but I think it'd be really lame to not have a joystick on the R8. The R10 has one and it's about $600 cheaper.

mpb002 wrote:

If it doesn’t have IBIS it’s dead in the water to me. Even a 2 year old Nikon Z5 has IBIS. I am a Canon dslr user but Canon is behind the curve in this market segment and will lag further without IBIS

I guess I'm an outlier here, but IBIS means basically nothing for me.

I almost never shoot at a shutter speed low enough for IBIS to make a difference, even regular IS is hardly noticed, if at all.

cnyphotoguy wrote:

I have no issues with the smaller batteries to keep the size down.

I certainly do. I'm completely fed up of the RP battery life.

The main question:  If it has fast AF (unlike the R and RP) and it's 24Mp or more, what's Canon going to do (what will be cr*ppled) to protect R6II sales.

1. thunder storm wrote:

The main question: If it has fast AF (unlike the R and RP) and it's 24Mp or more, what's Canon going to do (what will be cr*ppled) to protect R6II sales.

The obvious choices would be smaller battery, lower FPS continuous, single card slot, and no IBIS.

Other considerations, no weather sealing, lower spec EVF/Screen, more plastic construction, less control options (dials, buttons, wheels), slower sensor readout (elec. Rolling shutter), and I'm sure the list could go on.

Gam3r01 wrote:

1. thunder storm wrote:

The main question: If it has fast AF (unlike the R and RP) and it's 24Mp or more, what's Canon going to do (what will be cr*ppled) to protect R6II sales.

The obvious choices would be smaller battery, lower FPS continuous, single card slot, and no IBIS.

That might not be enough.

Other considerations, no weather sealing, lower spec EVF/Screen,

that's somewhat protecting R6II sales

more plastic construction, less control options (dials, buttons, wheels),

less wheels, that will protect R6II sales very well

slower sensor readout (elec. Rolling shutter), and I'm sure the list could go on.

O yeah, Canon is pretty creative in lowering value of entry level stuff. I'm really exited what they will invent this time.

PhotoKhan wrote:

Gam3r01 wrote:

mpb002 wrote:

If it doesn’t have IBIS it’s dead in the water to me. Even a 2 year old Nikon Z5 has IBIS. I am a Canon dslr user but Canon is behind the curve in this market segment and will lag further without IBIS

I guess I'm an outlier here, but IBIS means basically nothing for me.

I almost never shoot at a shutter speed low enough for IBIS to make a difference, even regular IS is hardly noticed, if at all.

I find these statements as strange as if I heard a driver say he/she does not drive in a way that makes traction control something worth having.

To each their own, they say...

PK

Considering I shoot almost exclusively moving subjects (friends and family "in the moment"), having the shutter speed low enough for IBIS to matter would bring in motion blur of my subjects.

Unrelated, but in my line of work (forestry) traction control screws things up more than it helps too!

J.K.T. wrote:

cnyphotoguy wrote:

I have no issues with the smaller batteries to keep the size down.

I certainly do. I'm completely fed up of the RP battery life.

Interesting, several hours of use in a day and I'm down 50-75% of battery with a lot of EVF and screen usage and shot review.  I always have another on me and hardly ever use it.

Nunataks wrote:

Llop wrote:

Maybe same body as R7 as well?

Personally I'd love this and probably pick one up but then Canon wouldn't really sell any R7.

Somehow I am guessing they'll make this thing without an EVF, because Canon.

That could be a good thing. I love the M6II, with the detachable EVF. I carry the EVF a lot, but hardly ever use it. But that's OK, because it's so small and light. I suspect it will have an EVF, though, because people seem to love their humps! But I would be pleasantly surprised if this camera has the same form factor as the M6II.