R8 is Full Frame; R50 succeeds the M50?

https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-will-soon-announce-the-canon-eos-r8-and-canon-eos-r50-along-with-two-new-kit-lenses/

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There goes the rumor of an M6 form factor R10... It's an RP successor / A7C competitor of some kind. This is cool, but I was really hoping for the former. But, if Canon can make the R8 small enough, with that RF 24-50, without the quirks of the A7C, I might have a look.

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Now that R50 is clearly an M50 in RF mount. Obviously with R10 "guts". Possibly a different shutter if I had to speculate. I doubt they're giving it 15FPS at this price point.

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RF 55-210 f/5-7.1 IS STM is pretty logical. Interesting that they've redone both the EF-M 15-45 and now EF-M 55-200 with newer optical formulas, not just adapt the M mount optics to RF like the RF 18-150. Redesigns represent updates to latest optical techniques, in Canon's case, optics made with digital correction "baked in".

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Curious folks thoughts on these. Does it change anyone's calculus? For me it does as I was hoping for a new car camera. R50 is likely going to have an integrated EVF ala M50 making ultra-compact out where slapping say an RF-S 22mm on it and throwing it in a glovebox isn't an option. Now the M50 Mark II + 15-45 and 55-200 were "fun" so long as you got a good copy of the optics which I presume part of the redesigns resolve some of these issues and obviously the R10's updated sensor and processor resolve AF updates and 4K support that the M series lacks. Thus far, these updates sound more like copying others (Z50 and A7C) and filling out the traditional Rebel series (R10) rather than addressing compact-power (M). Hrmph. Maybe the R8 will. We'll see what she looks like shortly, that'll be telling.

It is a bit disappointing to not get an RF mount M6 II

However, if that R8 is about the same size/weight as the RP… will be tough to ignore.

—C

RLight wrote:

https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-will-soon-announce-the-canon-eos-r8-and-canon-eos-r50-along-with-two-new-kit-lenses/

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There goes the rumor of an M6 form factor R10... It's an RP successor / A7C competitor of some kind. This is cool, but I was really hoping for the former. But, if Canon can make the R8 small enough, with that RF 24-50, without the quirks of the A7C, I might have a look.

24-50 sounds like a very interesting lens, I totally can see me getting one for fun.

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Now that R50 is clearly an M50 in RF mount. Obviously with R10 "guts". Possibly a different shutter if I had to speculate. I doubt they're giving it 15FPS at this price point.

.

RF 55-210 f/5-7.1 IS STM is pretty logical. Interesting that they've redone both the EF-M 15-45 and now EF-M 55-200 with newer optical formulas, not just adapt the M mount optics to RF like the RF 18-150. Redesigns represent updates to latest optical techniques, in Canon's case, optics made with digital correction "baked in".

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Curious folks thoughts on these. Does it change anyone's calculus? For me it does as I was hoping for a new car camera. R50 is likely going to have an integrated EVF ala M50 making ultra-compact out where slapping say an RF-S 22mm on it and throwing it in a glovebox isn't an option. Now the M50 Mark II + 15-45 and 55-200 were "fun" so long as you got a good copy of the optics which I presume part of the redesigns resolve some of these issues and obviously the R10's updated sensor and processor resolve AF updates and 4K support that the M series lacks. Thus far, these updates sound more like copying others (Z50 and A7C) and filling out the traditional Rebel series (R10) rather than addressing compact-power (M). Hrmph. Maybe the R8 will. We'll see what she looks like shortly, that'll be telling.

If the R8 lifts the 30 minute record time limit, has the R sensor (or something newer), 10 fps, and some level of sealing, as well as the new AF, it might cure me of my R6II gas for lower cost gas. 😁

IBIS would be a bonus. And they might get raked over the coals with PR if they don’t include IBIS. I’m fine with one card slot. And I don’t need a super EVF.

I know the R8 chatter started as an R/RP replacement rumor. Then the R7 and R10 were released so all the rumors shifted to it being APS-C. Glad it’s not APS-C. I just didn’t see where there was room to wedge between the R7 and R10.

RLight wrote:

I was hoping for a new car camera.

Something light that will mount on the window and not be very  heavy like the M6II with the 22mm ?

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/window-mounts/ci/39202

m100 wrote:

RLight wrote:

I was hoping for a new car camera.

Something light that will mount on the window and not be very heavy like the M6II with the 22mm ?

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/window-mounts/ci/39202

Seems a bit pricy to mount something small like an M6II with 22. I think that mount is more for a camera with long lens.

cocoanud wrote:

It is a bit disappointing to not get an RF mount M6 II

However, if that R8 is about the same size/weight as the RP… will be tough to ignore.

—C

Thinking about this, Canon is chasing the money; M50 II and kits are best selling, refresh. RP is low end stop gap, refresh.

Enthusiast stuff? Nope.

I’m seeing confirmation here that Canon is going to treat RF-S like EF-S… Push users to FF RF glass for specialty needs. Shame. I’m bummed, but this is all logical from a marketing standpoint.

KEG wrote:

RLight wrote:

https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-will-soon-announce-the-canon-eos-r8-and-canon-eos-r50-along-with-two-new-kit-lenses/

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There goes the rumor of an M6 form factor R10... It's an RP successor / A7C competitor of some kind. This is cool, but I was really hoping for the former. But, if Canon can make the R8 small enough, with that RF 24-50, without the quirks of the A7C, I might have a look.

24-50 sounds like a very interesting lens, I totally can see me getting one for fun.

If they can make the R8 (Probably dubbed RP II) more powerful and smaller with it? Yeah it could be a winner. When you consider lenses like the RF 16 f/2.8, 15-30? Yeah, it can be a good thing. I gather this is Canons MO… Push people to FF.

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Now that R50 is clearly an M50 in RF mount. Obviously with R10 "guts". Possibly a different shutter if I had to speculate. I doubt they're giving it 15FPS at this price point.

.

RF 55-210 f/5-7.1 IS STM is pretty logical. Interesting that they've redone both the EF-M 15-45 and now EF-M 55-200 with newer optical formulas, not just adapt the M mount optics to RF like the RF 18-150. Redesigns represent updates to latest optical techniques, in Canon's case, optics made with digital correction "baked in".

.

Curious folks thoughts on these. Does it change anyone's calculus? For me it does as I was hoping for a new car camera. R50 is likely going to have an integrated EVF ala M50 making ultra-compact out where slapping say an RF-S 22mm on it and throwing it in a glovebox isn't an option. Now the M50 Mark II + 15-45 and 55-200 were "fun" so long as you got a good copy of the optics which I presume part of the redesigns resolve some of these issues and obviously the R10's updated sensor and processor resolve AF updates and 4K support that the M series lacks. Thus far, these updates sound more like copying others (Z50 and A7C) and filling out the traditional Rebel series (R10) rather than addressing compact-power (M). Hrmph. Maybe the R8 will. We'll see what she looks like shortly, that'll be telling.

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KEG

JustUs7 wrote:

If the R8 lifts the 30 minute record time limit, has the R sensor (or something newer), 10 fps, and some level of sealing, as well as the new AF, it might cure me of my R6II gas for lower cost gas. 😁

IBIS would be a bonus. And they might get raked over the coals with PR if they don’t include IBIS. I’m fine with one card slot. And I don’t need a super EVF.

I know the R8 chatter started as an R/RP replacement rumor. Then the R7 and R10 were released so all the rumors shifted to it being APS-C. Glad it’s not APS-C. I just didn’t see where there was room to wedge between the R7 and R10.

It’s a fair bet this is either the R sensor or R6 (mark I) sensor. I doubt they’re giving it anything more at this price point. It may do say 8fps+ though. Even the R sensor is impressive compared to the RP. ADC and 30MP, faster readout. No small potatoes. R6 would be IBIS and 4K.

m100 wrote:

RLight wrote:

I was hoping for a new car camera.

Something light that will mount on the window and not be very heavy like the M6II with the 22mm ?

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/window-mounts/ci/39202

Nah, it’s gotta fit in a glove box.

I want a TILTING LCD!

Give me a little camera with one of these and DIGIC X and I'll be in heaven (no matter the rest of the spec). 

R2

RLight wrote:

m100 wrote:

RLight wrote:

I was hoping for a new car camera.

Something light that will mount on the window and not be very heavy like the M6II with the 22mm ?

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/window-mounts/ci/39202

Nah, it’s gotta fit in a glove box.

I put the mount in a Canon lens bag under the seat ready to go. 

Camera stays right at my side turned on ready to go.

RLight wrote:

JustUs7 wrote:

If the R8 lifts the 30 minute record time limit, has the R sensor (or something newer), 10 fps, and some level of sealing, as well as the new AF, it might cure me of my R6II gas for lower cost gas. 😁

IBIS would be a bonus. And they might get raked over the coals with PR if they don’t include IBIS. I’m fine with one card slot. And I don’t need a super EVF.

I know the R8 chatter started as an R/RP replacement rumor. Then the R7 and R10 were released so all the rumors shifted to it being APS-C. Glad it’s not APS-C. I just didn’t see where there was room to wedge between the R7 and R10.

It’s a fair bet this is either the R sensor or R6 (mark I) sensor. I doubt they’re giving it anything more at this price point. It may do say 8fps+ though. Even the R sensor is impressive compared to the RP. ADC and 30MP, faster readout. No small potatoes. R6 would be IBIS and 4K.

Personally, I'd take the 1dx3/R6 sensor over the R sensor, but as you say, both would be a big improvement over the 6D2/RP sensor.

I would also slightly prefer a smaller size over IBIS, the RP was very slim, every IBIS enabled R camera has been a lot thicker.

RLight wrote:

KEG wrote:

RLight wrote:

https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-will-soon-announce-the-canon-eos-r8-and-canon-eos-r50-along-with-two-new-kit-lenses/

.

There goes the rumor of an M6 form factor R10... It's an RP successor / A7C competitor of some kind. This is cool, but I was really hoping for the former. But, if Canon can make the R8 small enough, with that RF 24-50, without the quirks of the A7C, I might have a look.

24-50 sounds like a very interesting lens, I totally can see me getting one for fun.

If they can make the R8 (Probably dubbed RP II) more powerful and smaller with it? Yeah it could be a winner. When you consider lenses like the RF 16 f/2.8, 15-30? Yeah, it can be a good thing. I gather this is Canons MO… Push people to FF.

FF M6 mk II is almost an instant buy in my opinion.

.

Now that R50 is clearly an M50 in RF mount. Obviously with R10 "guts". Possibly a different shutter if I had to speculate. I doubt they're giving it 15FPS at this price point.

.

RF 55-210 f/5-7.1 IS STM is pretty logical. Interesting that they've redone both the EF-M 15-45 and now EF-M 55-200 with newer optical formulas, not just adapt the M mount optics to RF like the RF 18-150. Redesigns represent updates to latest optical techniques, in Canon's case, optics made with digital correction "baked in".

.

Curious folks thoughts on these. Does it change anyone's calculus? For me it does as I was hoping for a new car camera. R50 is likely going to have an integrated EVF ala M50 making ultra-compact out where slapping say an RF-S 22mm on it and throwing it in a glovebox isn't an option. Now the M50 Mark II + 15-45 and 55-200 were "fun" so long as you got a good copy of the optics which I presume part of the redesigns resolve some of these issues and obviously the R10's updated sensor and processor resolve AF updates and 4K support that the M series lacks. Thus far, these updates sound more like copying others (Z50 and A7C) and filling out the traditional Rebel series (R10) rather than addressing compact-power (M). Hrmph. Maybe the R8 will. We'll see what she looks like shortly, that'll be telling.

I guess the R8 will have the same sensor as the R6 mark ii, much lower video features and a less roughed body. And the R50 is an R10 without evf.

Of course this should be in the Rumours forum.

What continually mystifies me is the move to slower and slower lenses.  The big advantage to mirrorless, originally touted, was the ease of making faster and lighter lenses.  Now Canon is favouring slow mediocre lenses instead.

I hope the R8 is a full frame M6II...
Rather than try to cram a lousy EVF and lose dials like the A7C, I think it should come with tilt LCD and add-on EVF, hopefully with a higher resolution than the M6 one.

Otherwise how else would the canon haters go, "Oh, $1500 and Canon doesn't even include an EVF?"

If it is retro styled, even better, bring it on.