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ZS100 - is it worth considering as a viable alternative IQ wise to an RX100

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BackToNature1 Senior Member • Posts: 1,778
Re: ZS100 -ZS200- FZ1000

Bob A L wrote:

Don't exactly know what you're point is, but it does bring up one thing. In my post above, a wrongly stated digital zoom forgetting about Panasonic's offerings. It was actually i.zoom and using the 10mp setting. And no claim to be the best the ZS100 can do. It's more like that it's probably the worst that the ZS100 can do.

Almost anything can take a good photo in bright sunlight using only optical zoom. But add 10mp crop, i.zoom and additional crop makes it tough for anything.

Well the point was about the IQ hit once we go beyond Optical Zoom which you are already fully aware of. That was something I usually won't go for. For the reasons I noted. It's hard enough as it is to go a decent shot just with Optical.

Nor was I trying to make this any contest if that was your interpretation. I agree that in bright sunlight, It's far easier to get better shots. But how often does the Wildlife come out only when the lighting is great? I find myself shooting far more in cloudy conditions as opposed to anything else.

You were talking about pushing the limits and I just shared my thoughts on how I use similar sensor size cameras. I usually push the limits by shooting something that is normally shot with a 400mm equivalence with less than 100mm equivalence. I feel that helps improve my manual focusing skills.

saudidave Senior Member • Posts: 2,658
Re: ZS100 - is it worth considering as a viable alternative IQ wise to an RX100

As a long term user of the TZ100, TZ200 & RX100Mk6 I'm reasonably well qualified to answer your original post.

The TZ100 has excellent IQ if you adjust the settings to Sharpness+2, Contrast+2 & Noise reduction -5. Without those changes or close to them the IQ can be lousy & there is considerable variance betweeen different TZ100's too. The handling and EVF are both pretty lousy. The bang for the £/$ is outstanding. The jpeg output isn't as good as the Sony RX100mk6

The TZ200 has much greater zoom, a decent grip, a decent evf & the IQ is close, if not identical to the TZ200.

The Sony RX100 Mk6 has slightly better IQ than the TZ100 or 200 but IMHO it's not spectacularly better. It performs as a camera much more quickly ( focussing & operating speed). The handling is garbage as it has no grip at all & if anything is too small and cramped. The menu is garbage. The pop up evf is a disaster; it needs an eyecup so that sidelight doesn't stray in and spoil the image you see but that isn't feasible with a pop up so the workaround is where a hat!. The price is utterly ludicrous too.

Dave

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Bob A L Veteran Member • Posts: 7,084
Re: ZS100 - is it worth considering as a viable alternative IQ wise to an RX100

It may sound crazy and would to me until playing around one day with settings on my ZS100 I stumbled on +5 for sharpening, -3 on noise reduction and default on everything else.  It has remained there ever since a couple of go backs to verify. My theory, it does not cost anything but time to try any manner of control changes with digital. And if I don't like something, simple to go back to where I was.

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Thanks to all who responded!

Morning,

I found a friend who's daughter had an ZS100 and went over and reset the camera to the suggested settings, took about 50 photos in jpeg, and I thought the images looked. acceptable, but the viewfinder was close to worthless, IMHO.

So I think I'll just look for a used RX100iv or v, much brighter lens, much better viewfinder, faster focusing and more to my liking. I have an FZ300 for more range, and the RX100's 24-70 range at 1.8 - 2.8 will suit my shooting style better.

Again, thanks for all the assistance.

Best,

TFP

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Veducci Senior Member • Posts: 1,359
Re: Thanks to all who responded!

travelfoodphoto wrote:

Morning,

I found a friend who's daughter had an ZS100 and went over and reset the camera to the suggested settings, took about 50 photos in jpeg, and I thought the images looked. acceptable, but the viewfinder was close to worthless, IMHO.

So I think I'll just look for a used RX100iv or v, much brighter lens, much better viewfinder, faster focusing and more to my liking. I have an FZ300 for more range, and the RX100's 24-70 range at 1.8 - 2.8 will suit my shooting style better.

Again, thanks for all the assistance.

Best,

TFP

Yeah , understandable.  There`s almost always something better and almost always costing more.

For some time  now I`ve come to the conclusion my gear was always better than my skill level and my needs .  Consequently after 20 yrs I switched to MFT and found it  is still more than I need and probably still more capable than I am. YMMV.

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saudidave Senior Member • Posts: 2,658
Re: ZS100 - is it worth considering as a viable alternative IQ wise to an RX100

Bob A L wrote:

It may sound crazy and would to me until playing around one day with settings on my ZS100 I stumbled on +5 for sharpening, -3 on noise reduction and default on everything else. It has remained there ever since a couple of go backs to verify. My theory, it does not cost anything but time to try any manner of control changes with digital. And if I don't like something, simple to go back to where I was.

Bob, I couldn'r agree more. . My first copy of the TZ100 was a "refurbished" from the Panny ebay shop and it was shocking. The settings I suggested, that I found on an Australian review worked well on my final copy of the TZ100 so I left them there. The TZ100 at default settings was the worst IQ I've ever known from an enthusiast compact and I'm baffled why Panasonic released it like that.. I did try sharpening +5 but found it a bit OTT. I think the Panny compacts definitely have QA issues and the variance between examples can be significant.

Dave

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Bob A L Veteran Member • Posts: 7,084
Re: ZS100 - is it worth considering as a viable alternative IQ wise to an RX100

I did not like the +5 sharpening unil I put back some noise reduction to-3 and got cont. and saturation back to default.

And agree on not understanding their default settings. Being a 100% jpeg shooter, getting in camera controls set to my choices is really important, but never had a camera that required as much change from default ever before.

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