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Canon EOS R6 mark II analysis for night/astro imaging

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fred 76 Forum Member • Posts: 52
Canon EOS R6 mark II analysis for night/astro imaging
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Hi,

I made quite an extensive review of the R6 mk II for night and astro imaging use. The review is published in a thread of one of the most popular free french amateur astronomers forum, called Webastro.

https://www.webastro.net/forums/topic/236222-canon-r6-mark-ii/

You can easily make it translated in your preferred language by any online translator.

Here is the noise in electrons for the various combinations of shutter and Dual Pixel options :

- red: electronic shutter
- orange: mechanical shutter + Dual Pixel RAW activated
- green: mechanical shutter + Dual Pixel RAW desactivated

Note the quite bad behavior at 200 ISO, which scores higher noise level than 100 and 400 ISO. A sensitivity that shall be avoided…

Noise in e-

Here the FFT showing that there is a kind of spatial filtering in the low ISO photos, but too light to be visible. @sharkmelley did a review on this camera based upon the files I sent him:

DPR off - Mechanical shutter

More on the link above.

Feel free to comment !

Fred

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Bigger Contributing Member • Posts: 640
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What's the thin white line down the middle of the FFT frames? Is that an artifact of the FFT, or is it something with the sensor?

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OP fred 76 Forum Member • Posts: 52
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The thin horizontal and vertical central lines are normal. What is less normal are the two other thin lines above and below the horizontal axis, most probably due to the dual pixel structure of the sensor.

But it has no visible impact on the images. At least, nobody has been able to show any evidence.

DanInSoCal Senior Member • Posts: 1,158
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Thanks for this, it's very interesting. Do you know any particular reason for the effects (both read noise and the "flattening" of the FFT at ISO 200?

Also, the ISO 100 results surprise me. I would expect the read noise to be more or less constant across the ISO ranges. I thought that read noise happened before the ISO gains were applied (so constant number of electrons, then multiplied at higher ISO's).

Regards,
Dan

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B_R_C Regular Member • Posts: 132
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fred 76 wrote:

The thin horizontal and vertical central lines are normal. What is less normal are the two other thin lines above and below the horizontal axis, most probably due to the dual pixel structure of the sensor.

But it has no visible impact on the images. At least, nobody has been able to show any evidence.

It is a satellite...Very common

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OP fred 76 Forum Member • Posts: 52
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DanInSoCal wrote:

Thanks for this, it's very interesting. Do you know any particular reason for the effects (both read noise and the "flattening" of the FFT at ISO 200?

No idea, this is how Canon’s engineers have programmed the DigicX processing of the signal…

Also, the ISO 100 results surprise me. I would expect the read noise to be more or less constant across the ISO ranges. I thought that read noise happened before the ISO gains were applied (so constant number of electrons, then multiplied at higher ISO's).

Noise adds up at several places :

- 1 - before amplification : it is therefore amplified the same way as the signal

- 2 - after amplification : it is not amplified, but just added to the signal (+ previous noise)

OP fred 76 Forum Member • Posts: 52
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B_R_C wrote:

fred 76 wrote:

The thin horizontal and vertical central lines are normal. What is less normal are the two other thin lines above and below the horizontal axis, most probably due to the dual pixel structure of the sensor.

But it has no visible impact on the images. At least, nobody has been able to show any evidence.

It is a satellite...Very common

Ah ah ah

Bigger Contributing Member • Posts: 640
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fred 76 wrote:

The thin horizontal and vertical central lines are normal. What is less normal are the two other thin lines above and below the horizontal axis, most probably due to the dual pixel structure of the sensor.

But it has no visible impact on the images. At least, nobody has been able to show any evidence.

Interesting why those extra lines would be horizontal for vertical dual pixels.

I have found that the dual-pixel arrangement reduces horizontal MTF (vertical edges) by ~25% on the R7 with a high resolution lens. Not sure why.

Canon DP sensor H/V MTF50 resolution directional?

The R5 is also affected (but not the 5DsR), so presumably the R6/R6ii too.

I would expect this to cause very sharp stars to appear slightly oblong along the long axis of the image, but maybe not enough to be noticeable?

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OP fred 76 Forum Member • Posts: 52
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Bigger wrote:

I would expect this to cause very sharp stars to appear slightly oblong along the long axis of the image, but maybe not enough to be noticeable?

For that I should (wait for clear sky) take some photos using a telescope on a good tracking mount, then any astrophoto software will show the out of roundness of the stars. Easy but the weather is not great here !

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