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Rf800 F11 on the R7

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Distinctly Average Senior Member • Posts: 2,527
Rf800 F11 on the R7
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I was like many very confused when this lens was first announced. F11 and cheap so it cannot be any good can it? It was certainly not something I considered buying at the time. Partly because of my initial thought, but partly because I prefer to try and get closer rather than play the chasing focal length game. But there are times when I would love to get a record shot of a bird that fills more than the smallest focus square. So when I saw I could get one new for under £700 I thought why not give it a go, and I am glad I did.

In the hand it is incredibly light making it a no brainier to carry around on the right days. The extend to use feature I quite like. Some have called it a faff but for the three seconds it takes to extend and lock I am pleased it is there to aid portability. Sharpness wise, I’ll post some shots so you can judge for yourself. I was quite impressed.

I ordered from HDEW here in the UK and as ever their service was excellent apart from a lack of communication via email though I cannot be sure the issue was at my end.

I wanted a few things for it, a lens hood, a foot and a case to throw it in when it is in the boot of my car. The lens hood I got was this.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/JJC-Compatible-Canon-800mm-Camera/dp/B08TWSCZLP/ref=sr_1_17?crid=3SH9QYHASRQMW&keywords=Rf800+lens+hood&qid=1674499941&sprefix=rf800+lens+hood%2Caps%2C91&sr=8-17

Really quite good for the price, fitting and locking into place nicely. Very easy to mark but I can live with that.

The bag I got was from the same company. It is a tight fit length wise making the pocket in the lid all but useless. Not too well built with a lost bit of padding with a bit of stiff cardboard attacked as the inside base. It does the job though so I suppose you pay for what you get. I’ve since seen better options but I will live with what I have.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/PROfoto-Trend-JJC-Resistant-Shoulder-Diameter/dp/B073311TRN/ref=sr_1_10?crid=2EBYF8QNWZCNZ&keywords=Canon+Rf800+lens+bag&qid=1674500183&sprefix=canon+rf800+lens+bag%2Caps%2C84&sr=8-10

The foot was more problematic. Kirk make one but it is relatively expensive and not easily available here in the UK. The joys of post brexit customs make ordering from overseas challenging at times. Next was the handle/for from ishoot. I ruled this out as there is no easy way to attach my peak design anchors. So I ordered the Haoge LF-RF800. That was a mistake. It seems the locking pin position is a bit random. The one I got was different to that shown in the picture meaning the foot faced backwards. So back that went. Others seem to have got them with the pin in the other end, very odd. Hoagie also sell their LF-RF68 which has a loose pin you can place where you want, and that worked out much better for me. Hopefully I will never have the need to remove the foot as I am 100 sure I will loose the pin. Seems a very well made but of kit though.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Haoge-LF-RF68-Replacement-Canon-Mirrorless/dp/B09NHRCRSQ/ref=sr_1_18_sspa?crid=3N6STAGGAYPJX&keywords=Hoage+lens+foot&qid=1674500716&sprefix=haoge+lens+foot%2Caps%2C70&sr=8-18-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9tdGY&psc=1

First shots I took were of the moon in daylight, not the best subject but I wanted to play. The sky was blue in this handheld shot but I tweaked the levels in post to increase contrast and send the background black.

Than onto birds. I am quite used to 400-600mm but 800mm is hard work finding birds in flight. So to start with perched or swimming birds have been the order of the day so far.

It is winter here at the moment so light levels are probably quite low. When the sun has been showing the F11 has not been an issue.

The whole setup weight and portability wise has made getting low to shore birds quite enjoyable. The tactile elements of the lens have made locating the two dials quite easy. Hopefully the coatings are tough enough to survive the abuse I will surely throw at it. The build seems very tight too. I’ve had cheap lenses in the past that often felt wobbly. The tolerances on my copy seem really good. The extension part is solid and both the focus and control rings feel very good.

When the light has been terrible, such as with this long eared owl record shot, I have been pleasantly surprised how well the lens has performed. Especially good is the IS as can be seen here. Again, handheld this was at 1/80th in the worst possible backlit shade conditions I could have wanted for this bird. We rarely see them in the UK so was nice to get to see one

At a distance I was also impressed by the detail I could resolve on a cold and crisp morning. This is a huge crop and there was little air distortion so I got lucky.

Overall I am quite surprised by how good this lens is. I am looking forward to taking it out more. Bokeh is not the best in busy scenes such as this kingfisher, but that is to be expected. I can live with that, and I can live with the other minor drawbacks.

The only real complaint are the three switches. Carrying the lens on the peak design strap I have more than a few times had them move after brushing against me. That is something I have not experienced on any lens before. That is the only noticeable worry and I have missed a couple of shots as a result. I’ll just have to learn to keep an eye on that as I will certainly be taking this lens out a lot.

Canon RF 800mm F11 IS STM
Telephoto prime lens • Canon RF
Announced: Jul 9, 2020
Distinctly Average's score
3.5
Average community score
4.0
Canon EOS R7 Canon RF 800mm F11 IS STM
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BobKnDP Senior Member • Posts: 3,140
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Nice.

The first image (male stone chat, apparently) looks a little odd, like it's some sort of composite. Or even a stuffed bird set on a log.

Is it just my cognitive issues?

I like the RF 800 F/11. My main dislike of it is its minimum focusing distance (about 6m), too long for small birds.

OP Distinctly Average Senior Member • Posts: 2,527
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BobKnDP wrote:

Nice.

The first image (male stone chat, apparently) looks a little odd, like it's some sort of composite. Or even a stuffed bird set on a log.

Is it just my cognitive issues?

I like the RF 800 F/11. My main dislike of it is its minimum focusing distance (about 6m), too long for small birds.

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Certainly not a composite. Editing was quite minimal on that one, just a crop and topaz Denoise. The light was very harsh in the midday so then I dropped the highlight slider. Other than that, it was as is.

6M sounds a lot, but it isn’t too bad. A number of the shots presented are small birds relatively close. The shore birds I did later switch to my EF100-400II as they grew quite comfortable and came 2-4m away. I am sure it will be frustrating at times, but I tend to know in advance so have the opportunity to select the right lens. I was on Saturday photographing a rarity for the UK, a summer coloured Sabine’s Gull. I heard it was coming in very close so selected the 100-400II instead Niw I can see where the term “Gull wing doors” came from.

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palombian Contributing Member • Posts: 637
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BobKnDP wrote:

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I like the RF 800 F/11. My main dislike of it is its minimum focusing distance (about 6m), too long for small birds.

Agree, even with the 3-3,5m of other tele lenses you sometimes have to step back.

But for 800mm on a 32mp crop the resolution is very respectable.

Nice shots !

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BobKnDP Senior Member • Posts: 3,140
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Thanks for the response. Not much post processing manipulation.

Not only summer colors, but walks on water.

Steve Fink Senior Member • Posts: 1,652
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Nice shots!

I certainly could've used an 800mm for shots of red headed ducks on our lake.  I used my RF 600mm F11 but didn't quite have the reach.

Other than distance shots, I'm not so sure I'd get my monies worth for it.  I already find the RF 600mm F11 to be too much for some of my shots and BIF shots I agree might be a huge challenge with an 800mm lens.

I also am concerned about the extend retract feature of the lens.  I had a push/pull EF zoom that collected a lot of dust instead that I couldn't clean.  I don't know if this lens would eventually have the same problem.

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Neil Schofield Contributing Member • Posts: 744
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A lenscover from some one like  outdoor photography gear will stop your unwanted changes to the  lens switches, and Ishoot do an arca foot which is what I use

Enjoy, it’s best canon bang for buck in good light in my view

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Neil Schofield wrote:

A lenscover from some one like outdoor photography gear will stop your unwanted changes to the lens switches, and Ishoot do an arca foot which is what I use

Enjoy, it’s best canon bang for buck in good light in my view

Good call on the lens cover, I had not thought of that option. It happened again today while I was shooting a kingfisher. I had knocked the focus limiter and wondered why I couldn’t focus on the bird. This is the only lens that has this problems that I have used but it is only to be expected Insuppose. The switches on my L lenses are quite different.

The iShoot foot I ruled out as it doesn’t have a decent fixing point for the peak design anchors I use. Other than that it looks great so more of a personal choice thing.

John Photo Senior Member • Posts: 1,371
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Very nice photos and write-up, as usual.

Regarding the shot of the moon, your description was interesting. Would you care to post the original SOOC for visual comparison?

I also find the 800 a challenge (me, not the lens) on the R7 to keep up with BIF. So for me, practice, practice, practice!

Bramble9 Regular Member • Posts: 211
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Your 800mm f11 shots are excellent-- birds during the day and moon at night.  I'm doing the same thing only with the R7 and 600mm f11-- and like yours, with very good/excellent results.  I really like your moon shot.  It has excellent detail and your small birds are really good too.  I've gotten to where I don't mind having to extend the lens for shooting either.  I only chose the 600mm for it's shorter physical length and it fits in my Tenba bag.

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nopix Senior Member • Posts: 2,035
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Nice and informative writeup and samples.

Thanks

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John Sheehy Forum Pro • Posts: 26,688
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John Sheehy Forum Pro • Posts: 26,688
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Steve Fink wrote:

Nice shots!

I certainly could've used an 800mm for shots of red headed ducks on our lake. I used my RF 600mm F11 but didn't quite have the reach.

Other than distance shots, I'm not so sure I'd get my monies worth for it. I already find the RF 600mm F11 to be too much for some of my shots and BIF shots I agree might be a huge challenge with an 800mm lens.

I also am concerned about the extend retract feature of the lens. I had a push/pull EF zoom that collected a lot of dust instead that I couldn't clean. I don't know if this lens would eventually have the same problem.

You don't ever have to retract the lens. Just extend it once out of the box, and leave it that way forever. The police will NOT bother you, I guarantee!

I don't know how much air resistance there is with the rear cap on, but you can take it off and then extend/retract the lens, and then it can't change the air pressure inside the lens. It's not like the original EF100-400 where there is glass at both ends.

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OP Distinctly Average Senior Member • Posts: 2,527
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John Sheehy wrote:

Steve Fink wrote:

Nice shots!

I certainly could've used an 800mm for shots of red headed ducks on our lake. I used my RF 600mm F11 but didn't quite have the reach.

Other than distance shots, I'm not so sure I'd get my monies worth for it. I already find the RF 600mm F11 to be too much for some of my shots and BIF shots I agree might be a huge challenge with an 800mm lens.

I also am concerned about the extend retract feature of the lens. I had a push/pull EF zoom that collected a lot of dust instead that I couldn't clean. I don't know if this lens would eventually have the same problem.

You don't ever have to retract the lens. Just extend it once out of the box, and leave it that way forever. The police will NOT bother you, I guarantee!

I don't know how much air resistance there is with the rear cap on, but you can take it off and then extend/retract the lens, and then it can't change the air pressure inside the lens. It's not like the original EF100-400 where there is glass at both ends.

The mechanism, whether it is push pull or twist, any extending lens has to displace air. People often state the EF100-400II is better than the MK1 for sucking dust in and blame it on the push-pull element. But both lenses displace a similar amount of air, it is just filtered better on the MK2

I hope that with these RF lenses thinks have improved since the 20+ years old designs that are still being mentioned and are often still in use. Quite a testament to how good we have it.

OP Distinctly Average Senior Member • Posts: 2,527
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John Photo wrote:

Very nice photos and write-up, as usual.

Regarding the shot of the moon, your description was interesting. Would you care to post the original SOOC for visual comparison?

I also find the 800 a challenge (me, not the lens) on the R7 to keep up with BIF. So for me, practice, practice, practice!

Thanks.,I’ll get that image posted when I get home.

OP Distinctly Average Senior Member • Posts: 2,527
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John Photo wrote:

Very nice photos and write-up, as usual.

Regarding the shot of the moon, your description was interesting. Would you care to post the original SOOC for visual comparison?

I also find the 800 a challenge (me, not the lens) on the R7 to keep up with BIF. So for me, practice, practice, practice!

As requested here is the image before tweaking. In this case just converted to jpeg for upload here.

John Photo Senior Member • Posts: 1,371
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thanks for posting the "original", and again nice work on the processed image.

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