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R3 Observations - Handling

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RLight Senior Member • Posts: 4,426
R3 Observations - Handling
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Continuing my mini-series on the R3, see part 1 here on autofocus if you missed it:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66750960

And part 2 on image quality:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66756859

.

On first hold the R3 is not heavy-feeling; the mechanical advantage of the large grip makes both the body and an attached lens easy to handle, it’s a better solution than my former, smaller EOS R with a large lens despite the R3 body itself being heavier. Total weight and fatigue are surprisingly not an issue; the improved ergonomics makes a huge difference with handling. I will say having the proper strap does makes a difference though. The black rapid street I had in storage makes the R3/28-70 combination sway too much and makes it a formidable bump risk to others and was less comfortable than the Canon Professional Services neoprene strap that I also dug out of storage that succeeded the black rapid strap. It’s a joy to hold and handle. Dare I say even “fun”; it makes large heavy lenses like the RF 28-70 f/2L USM fun to shoot with.

Speaking of accessories like straps, the Canon sling backpack 100S stows the R3 and attached 28-70 f/2L snuggly with the hood reversed. Granted there is no room otherwise, but it makes an excellent compact stow option for those interested solely in that combination.

Huge viewfinder. Although this is self explanatory, it’s worthy of a mention as it’s a luxury and a step up from both my former R and the R5 I gave a whirl previously.

Very nice placement of buttons; I can shoot with thick gloves on. For example, the cold snap we just endured in the larger portion of the U.S.? I was surprised how responsive the camera with gloves on and realized the ingenuity of the power button design; it’s a power switch that can be operated with gloves, and, isn’t easily accidentally turned off. You can also operate the camera in the dark with its illuminated buttons that are large, again operable with gloves on if needed.

The scroll wheel and dedicated rate button is quite handy for culling shots in camera, which is ideal for choosing the best shot in a sequence, which this camera rattles off tons of shots in rapid sequence. This is the most efficient means to cull shots (in camera) and the R3 does this better than the R or R5 with its viewfinder and ergonomics.

Smaller lenses don’t feel quite right mounted on the R3 compared to my former (smaller) R or R5 I tried. If you plan to shoot smaller (and cheaper) non-L lenses on it? I suggest the RP, R, R5 or R6 II. Larger lenses? This is your man. Perhaps the upcoming Canon R1 shares a large grip of some kind to give relief for those large expensive L lenses… Never thought I’d say that as I’ve always been a fan of small cameras but there is a reason for larger cameras… For larger lenses. It’s notable that the large grip/s (vertical and horizontal) combined with Eye-Controlled AF, and IBIS enables one hand shooting of the RF28-70 f/2L which has proven useful on several occasions. I couldn’t do that on the R or R5 with the 28-70 f/2L “Goliath” attached.

The R3 has two smart controllers in addition to the plethora of buttons and dials. The smart controllers are a nice touch for the rare occasions eye-controlled AF can’t do the job or where absolute precision in selection is needed. I rarely use the smart controllers in lieu of Eye-Controlled AF, but a nice touch nonetheless giving essentially manual override when needed. To traditional shooters smart controllers represent a seasoned, familiar autofocus selection option for those who choose to use it in lieu of eye-controlled AF that’s more efficient than the direct AF controller on the R5/R6/R7/R10 (and hence why it’s been onboard the high end 1D series for years).

Notably touch and drag AF is gone. I lived on touch and drag on the R, M6 II and R5. I do agree with the sentiment here as the R3 body is too big to use touch and drag effectively. Eye-controlled AF surpasses it thankfully. I was quite unhappy with the R3 the first 24 hours till I got Eye controlled AF setup properly which is a game changer and although highly effective, does require some upfront tuning to get the most from, but rewards those who invest in setting it up and refining the autofocus options to work in tandem with eye-controlled AF for their use case/s. Like DPR, I have to agree that after being spoiled with eye-controlled AF, I don’t want to go without it, even though I still maintain a G5X Mark II for low profile shooting (for now), eye controlled AF is revolutionary and makes ease of use, well, easy. You get more hits, miss less moments, with less effort; easier and more effective than traditional means of AF selection. I hope the R3 isn’t the last Canon to receive eye-controlled AF.

The R3 does come with a top LCD, however comma, Fv mode which has been present for a generation or two now has displaced the need for different shooting modes, makes this moot. I shoot Fv 100% of the time, except, when I need more than 1/8000 which Canon has reserved for ES in Tv mode only. I don’t frequently need more than 1/8000, but I have on a few occasions. However, it can take too long to switch modes for the fleeting moments for it to be of benefit, sadly. Again, this is where the speed and ingenuity of marrying eye-controlled AF, Fv mode and a fast camera make for an agile weapon that always gets the shoot. Apparently except when I need to stop for more than 1/8000. Canon should fix that if you ask me (Maybe they will in a future update).

You’ve got buttons for every conceivable scenario, customizable for every scenario… DoF preview, 2 M.FN buttons, dedicated rated and drive, video toggles, etc. My only gripe might be Canon needs to document things like the AF override I discussed in the autofocus section, rather than having to figure it out.

Regarding OVF simulation, it appears to be a form of HEIF simulation in the EVF which gives a high dynamic range version of preview; great if you want a simulation of HEIF exposure, before you shoot in HEIF. Slight segue; apparently Canons picture profiles apply to JPEG only at this time, making HEIF files a sort of RAW ungraded file where it’s a “flat” file that doesn’t require lens or Canon proprietary data to digest a high depth format, unlike RAW. The trouble is I find HEIFs out of Canons “flat”, that is unappealing vs say HEIFs out of other vendors (Apple iPhones namely). I applaud the forward thinking of Canon here but would like to see some “salt” ie picture profile support for SOOC HEIFs in the future for more desirable SOOC HEIFs.

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Summerjoy Forum Member • Posts: 92
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great summary, as well as praise and recognition for the time taken👍

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David Pastern Contributing Member • Posts: 847
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Nice overview.  It is an amazing camera.

Cheers,

Dave

DIGITAL-PURPLE
DIGITAL-PURPLE Junior Member • Posts: 39
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RLight wrote:

Continuing my mini-series on the R3, see part 1 here on autofocus if you missed it:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66750960

And part 2 on image quality:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66756859

.

On first hold the R3 is not heavy-feeling; the mechanical advantage of the large grip makes both the body and an attached lens easy to handle, it’s a better solution than my former, smaller EOS R with a large lens despite the R3 body itself being heavier. Total weight and fatigue are surprisingly not an issue; the improved ergonomics makes a huge difference with handling. I will say having the proper strap does makes a difference though. The black rapid street I had in storage makes the R3/28-70 combination sway too much and makes it a formidable bump risk to others and was less comfortable than the Canon Professional Services neoprene strap that I also dug out of storage that succeeded the black rapid strap. It’s a joy to hold and handle. Dare I say even “fun”; it makes large heavy lenses like the RF 28-70 f/2L USM fun to shoot with.

Speaking of accessories like straps, the Canon sling backpack 100S stows the R3 and attached 28-70 f/2L snuggly with the hood reversed. Granted there is no room otherwise, but it makes an excellent compact stow option for those interested solely in that combination.

Huge viewfinder. Although this is self explanatory, it’s worthy of a mention as it’s a luxury and a step up from both my former R and the R5 I gave a whirl previously.

Very nice placement of buttons; I can shoot with thick gloves on. For example, the cold snap we just endured in the larger portion of the U.S.? I was surprised how responsive the camera with gloves on and realized the ingenuity of the power button design; it’s a power switch that can be operated with gloves, and, isn’t easily accidentally turned off. You can also operate the camera in the dark with its illuminated buttons that are large, again operable with gloves on if needed.

The scroll wheel and dedicated rate button is quite handy for culling shots in camera, which is ideal for choosing the best shot in a sequence, which this camera rattles off tons of shots in rapid sequence. This is the most efficient means to cull shots (in camera) and the R3 does this better than the R or R5 with its viewfinder and ergonomics.

Smaller lenses don’t feel quite right mounted on the R3 compared to my former (smaller) R or R5 I tried. If you plan to shoot smaller (and cheaper) non-L lenses on it? I suggest the RP, R, R5 or R6 II. Larger lenses? This is your man. Perhaps the upcoming Canon R1 shares a large grip of some kind to give relief for those large expensive L lenses… Never thought I’d say that as I’ve always been a fan of small cameras but there is a reason for larger cameras… For larger lenses. It’s notable that the large grip/s (vertical and horizontal) combined with Eye-Controlled AF, and IBIS enables one hand shooting of the RF28-70 f/2L which has proven useful on several occasions. I couldn’t do that on the R or R5 with the 28-70 f/2L “Goliath” attached.

The R3 has two smart controllers in addition to the plethora of buttons and dials. The smart controllers are a nice touch for the rare occasions eye-controlled AF can’t do the job or where absolute precision in selection is needed. I rarely use the smart controllers in lieu of Eye-Controlled AF, but a nice touch nonetheless giving essentially manual override when needed. To traditional shooters smart controllers represent a seasoned, familiar autofocus selection option for those who choose to use it in lieu of eye-controlled AF that’s more efficient than the direct AF controller on the R5/R6/R7/R10 (and hence why it’s been onboard the high end 1D series for years).

Notably touch and drag AF is gone. I lived on touch and drag on the R, M6 II and R5. I do agree with the sentiment here as the R3 body is too big to use touch and drag effectively. Eye-controlled AF surpasses it thankfully. I was quite unhappy with the R3 the first 24 hours till I got Eye controlled AF setup properly which is a game changer and although highly effective, does require some upfront tuning to get the most from, but rewards those who invest in setting it up and refining the autofocus options to work in tandem with eye-controlled AF for their use case/s. Like DPR, I have to agree that after being spoiled with eye-controlled AF, I don’t want to go without it, even though I still maintain a G5X Mark II for low profile shooting (for now), eye controlled AF is revolutionary and makes ease of use, well, easy. You get more hits, miss less moments, with less effort; easier and more effective than traditional means of AF selection. I hope the R3 isn’t the last Canon to receive eye-controlled AF.

The R3 does come with a top LCD, however comma, Fv mode which has been present for a generation or two now has displaced the need for different shooting modes, makes this moot. I shoot Fv 100% of the time, except, when I need more than 1/8000 which Canon has reserved for ES in Tv mode only. I don’t frequently need more than 1/8000, but I have on a few occasions. However, it can take too long to switch modes for the fleeting moments for it to be of benefit, sadly. Again, this is where the speed and ingenuity of marrying eye-controlled AF, Fv mode and a fast camera make for an agile weapon that always gets the shoot. Apparently except when I need to stop for more than 1/8000. Canon should fix that if you ask me (Maybe they will in a future update).

You’ve got buttons for every conceivable scenario, customizable for every scenario… DoF preview, 2 M.FN buttons, dedicated rated and drive, video toggles, etc. My only gripe might be Canon needs to document things like the AF override I discussed in the autofocus section, rather than having to figure it out.

Regarding OVF simulation, it appears to be a form of HEIF simulation in the EVF which gives a high dynamic range version of preview; great if you want a simulation of HEIF exposure, before you shoot in HEIF. Slight segue; apparently Canons picture profiles apply to JPEG only at this time, making HEIF files a sort of RAW ungraded file where it’s a “flat” file that doesn’t require lens or Canon proprietary data to digest a high depth format, unlike RAW. The trouble is I find HEIFs out of Canons “flat”, that is unappealing vs say HEIFs out of other vendors (Apple iPhones namely). I applaud the forward thinking of Canon here but would like to see some “salt” ie picture profile support for SOOC HEIFs in the future for more desirable SOOC HEIFs.

Excellent review and series bro… one thing, you shouldn’t cull photos in camera. Do research on SD cards, and you’ll see failures are many times caused by deleting in devices/camera. I personally never had any failures but look around and you’ll see tons of data on it. Now I just dump my photos in the computer and then format the card back in the camera.

OP RLight Senior Member • Posts: 4,426
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DIGITAL-PURPLE wrote:

Excellent review and series bro… one thing, you shouldn’t cull photos in camera. Do research on SD cards, and you’ll see failures are many times caused by deleting in devices/camera. I personally never had any failures but look around and you’ll see tons of data on it. Now I just dump my photos in the computer and then format the card back in the camera.

I can personally vouch to this...

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66573541

I'm still using the Prograde 512GB SD UHS-II, but, I'm also using the Prograde 650GB CFE. Full JPEGs on the SD card, RAWs on the CFE. I have the camera set for review on card 1 (CFE).

2 slots on a camera, is equivalent to RAID.

Never have your eggs in one basket. Having two baskets costs a bit, though.

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MAC Forum Pro • Posts: 18,492
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RLight wrote:

DIGITAL-PURPLE wrote:

Excellent review and series bro… one thing, you shouldn’t cull photos in camera. Do research on SD cards, and you’ll see failures are many times caused by deleting in devices/camera. I personally never had any failures but look around and you’ll see tons of data on it. Now I just dump my photos in the computer and then format the card back in the camera.

I can personally vouch to this...

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66573541

I'm still using the Prograde 512GB SD UHS-II, but, I'm also using the Prograde 650GB CFE. Full JPEGs on the SD card, RAWs on the CFE. I have the camera set for review on card 1 (CFE).

2 slots on a camera, is equivalent to RAID.

Never have your eggs in one basket. Having two baskets costs a bit, though.

Two baskets are not going to help if carrying only one camera and it fails.

I thought you returned/sold the beasts

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OP RLight Senior Member • Posts: 4,426
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MAC wrote:

RLight wrote:

DIGITAL-PURPLE wrote:

Excellent review and series bro… one thing, you shouldn’t cull photos in camera. Do research on SD cards, and you’ll see failures are many times caused by deleting in devices/camera. I personally never had any failures but look around and you’ll see tons of data on it. Now I just dump my photos in the computer and then format the card back in the camera.

I can personally vouch to this...

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66573541

I'm still using the Prograde 512GB SD UHS-II, but, I'm also using the Prograde 650GB CFE. Full JPEGs on the SD card, RAWs on the CFE. I have the camera set for review on card 1 (CFE).

2 slots on a camera, is equivalent to RAID.

Never have your eggs in one basket. Having two baskets costs a bit, though.

Two baskets are not going to help if carrying only one camera and it fails.

I thought you returned/sold the beasts

Wife and I talked. Changed my mind. Should’ve talked to the wife more, upfront. She’s happy now. The sticker shock got her. Me? I could be happy with a M50, but the R3 with 28-70, just kills it.

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MAC Forum Pro • Posts: 18,492
Re: R3 Observations - Handling

RLight wrote:

MAC wrote:

RLight wrote:

DIGITAL-PURPLE wrote:

Excellent review and series bro… one thing, you shouldn’t cull photos in camera. Do research on SD cards, and you’ll see failures are many times caused by deleting in devices/camera. I personally never had any failures but look around and you’ll see tons of data on it. Now I just dump my photos in the computer and then format the card back in the camera.

I can personally vouch to this...

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66573541

I'm still using the Prograde 512GB SD UHS-II, but, I'm also using the Prograde 650GB CFE. Full JPEGs on the SD card, RAWs on the CFE. I have the camera set for review on card 1 (CFE).

2 slots on a camera, is equivalent to RAID.

Never have your eggs in one basket. Having two baskets costs a bit, though.

Two baskets are not going to help if carrying only one camera and it fails.

I thought you returned/sold the beasts

Wife and I talked. Changed my mind. Should’ve talked to the wife more, upfront. She’s happy now. The sticker shock got her. Me? I could be happy with a M50, but the R3 with 28-70, just kills it.

Cool!

I was wondering because no pics at your site for 2 months

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OP RLight Senior Member • Posts: 4,426
Re: R3 Observations - Handling

MAC wrote:

RLight wrote:

MAC wrote:

RLight wrote:

DIGITAL-PURPLE wrote:

Excellent review and series bro… one thing, you shouldn’t cull photos in camera. Do research on SD cards, and you’ll see failures are many times caused by deleting in devices/camera. I personally never had any failures but look around and you’ll see tons of data on it. Now I just dump my photos in the computer and then format the card back in the camera.

I can personally vouch to this...

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66573541

I'm still using the Prograde 512GB SD UHS-II, but, I'm also using the Prograde 650GB CFE. Full JPEGs on the SD card, RAWs on the CFE. I have the camera set for review on card 1 (CFE).

2 slots on a camera, is equivalent to RAID.

Never have your eggs in one basket. Having two baskets costs a bit, though.

Two baskets are not going to help if carrying only one camera and it fails.

I thought you returned/sold the beasts

Wife and I talked. Changed my mind. Should’ve talked to the wife more, upfront. She’s happy now. The sticker shock got her. Me? I could be happy with a M50, but the R3 with 28-70, just kills it.

Cool!

I was wondering because no pics at your site for 2 months

New kid, December. Busy between work and 5 kiddos. No parental leave; sad. Have to be with an employer for 12 months to qualify.

DXO processed, defaults

DXO Processed, defaults

Thought I'd give DXO a whirl. I'm neither impressed or unimpressed by the results. Color / WB is better than LR, but automatic lighting is non-existent / poor as previously discussed.

I'll be sticking with DPP4, for now. I may give RawTherapee a whirl with TIFFs from DPP4, I've heard good things about that combination. RawTherapee's support for R3 RAWs, ain't.

Thankfully SOOC JPEGs are solid on the R3.

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KLO82 Senior Member • Posts: 1,527
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RLight wrote:

Huge viewfinder. Although this is self explanatory, it’s worthy of a mention as it’s a luxury and a step up from both my former R and the R5 I gave a whirl previously.

Don't R, R5 and R3 have the same viewfinder magnification? R5 and R3's EVFs also have same resolution.

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koenkooi Contributing Member • Posts: 920
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KLO82 wrote:

RLight wrote:

Huge viewfinder. Although this is self explanatory, it’s worthy of a mention as it’s a luxury and a step up from both my former R and the R5 I gave a whirl previously.

Don't R, R5 and R3 have the same viewfinder magnification? R5 and R3's EVFs also have same resolution.

Both the R3 and R5 are listed as 0.76x, but multiple reviewers have said the same as RLight,  so I don't know what is causing the discrepancy.

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OP RLight Senior Member • Posts: 4,426
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koenkooi wrote:

KLO82 wrote:

RLight wrote:

Huge viewfinder. Although this is self explanatory, it’s worthy of a mention as it’s a luxury and a step up from both my former R and the R5 I gave a whirl previously.

Don't R, R5 and R3 have the same viewfinder magnification? R5 and R3's EVFs also have same resolution.

Both the R3 and R5 are listed as 0.76x, but multiple reviewers have said the same as RLight, so I don't know what is causing the discrepancy.

There’s the eye sensor/s surrounding the EVF… Acts as a hood. It’s “bigger”, but you’re technically correct. You could say it’s the same food, on a bigger plate. Eating off bigger plates is more enjoyable than eating off smaller plates… it’s the same 12oz steak to your point (EVF as the R5). The experience is more immersive though, less distractions, and gives you more perceptual quality from the EVF. A hood over the R5 viewfinder could achieve the same thing I suppose. That would be kludgy, however.

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R2D2 Forum Pro • Posts: 26,536
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RLight wrote:

New kid, December.

Big congrats man!

Busy between work and 5 kiddos. No parental leave; sad. Have to be with an employer for 12 months to qualify.

Darn.

Thought I'd give DXO a whirl. I'm neither impressed or unimpressed by the results. Color / WB is better than LR, but automatic lighting is non-existent / poor as previously discussed.

I simply adjust everything by eye.  Wonderful converter!

I'll be sticking with DPP4, for now. I may give RawTherapee a whirl with TIFFs from DPP4, I've heard good things about that combination. RawTherapee's support for R3 RAWs, ain't.

Thankfully SOOC JPEGs are solid on the R3.

I just knew those were from the 28-70 before even looking! 

Perfect lens for the little one!  Enjoy (life)!

R2

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MAC Forum Pro • Posts: 18,492
Re: R3 Observations - Handling

RLight wrote:

MAC wrote:

RLight wrote:

MAC wrote:

RLight wrote:

DIGITAL-PURPLE wrote:

Excellent review and series bro… one thing, you shouldn’t cull photos in camera. Do research on SD cards, and you’ll see failures are many times caused by deleting in devices/camera. I personally never had any failures but look around and you’ll see tons of data on it. Now I just dump my photos in the computer and then format the card back in the camera.

I can personally vouch to this...

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66573541

I'm still using the Prograde 512GB SD UHS-II, but, I'm also using the Prograde 650GB CFE. Full JPEGs on the SD card, RAWs on the CFE. I have the camera set for review on card 1 (CFE).

2 slots on a camera, is equivalent to RAID.

Never have your eggs in one basket. Having two baskets costs a bit, though.

Two baskets are not going to help if carrying only one camera and it fails.

I thought you returned/sold the beasts

Wife and I talked. Changed my mind. Should’ve talked to the wife more, upfront. She’s happy now. The sticker shock got her. Me? I could be happy with a M50, but the R3 with 28-70, just kills it.

Cool!

I was wondering because no pics at your site for 2 months

New kid, December. Busy between work and 5 kiddos. No parental leave; sad. Have to be with an employer for 12 months to qualify.

DXO processed, defaults

DXO Processed, defaults

Thought I'd give DXO a whirl. I'm neither impressed or unimpressed by the results. Color / WB is better than LR, but automatic lighting is non-existent / poor as previously discussed.

I'll be sticking with DPP4, for now. I may give RawTherapee a whirl with TIFFs from DPP4, I've heard good things about that combination. RawTherapee's support for R3 RAWs, ain't.

Thankfully SOOC JPEGs are solid on the R3.

Best wishes to the crew!

In the old days I tried to drag the shutter too much and not get enough dof for fear of noise

with dxo PL I don't fear noise and get my ss up there - try to be at ss 1/160 and higher

iso 12,800 is no issue after I customize my Deep Prime adjustments

DPP and Lightrrom don't even come close and DPP is in fact bad for NR

Like R2, I adjust in dxo to screen and tastes -- this is Hollywood, not about attaining more boring natural

a few photos: Canon EOS M Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)

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OP RLight Senior Member • Posts: 4,426
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MAC wrote:

RLight wrote:

MAC wrote:

RLight wrote:

MAC wrote:

RLight wrote:

DIGITAL-PURPLE wrote:

Excellent review and series bro… one thing, you shouldn’t cull photos in camera. Do research on SD cards, and you’ll see failures are many times caused by deleting in devices/camera. I personally never had any failures but look around and you’ll see tons of data on it. Now I just dump my photos in the computer and then format the card back in the camera.

I can personally vouch to this...

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66573541

I'm still using the Prograde 512GB SD UHS-II, but, I'm also using the Prograde 650GB CFE. Full JPEGs on the SD card, RAWs on the CFE. I have the camera set for review on card 1 (CFE).

2 slots on a camera, is equivalent to RAID.

Never have your eggs in one basket. Having two baskets costs a bit, though.

Two baskets are not going to help if carrying only one camera and it fails.

I thought you returned/sold the beasts

Wife and I talked. Changed my mind. Should’ve talked to the wife more, upfront. She’s happy now. The sticker shock got her. Me? I could be happy with a M50, but the R3 with 28-70, just kills it.

Cool!

I was wondering because no pics at your site for 2 months

New kid, December. Busy between work and 5 kiddos. No parental leave; sad. Have to be with an employer for 12 months to qualify.

DXO processed, defaults

DXO Processed, defaults

Thought I'd give DXO a whirl. I'm neither impressed or unimpressed by the results. Color / WB is better than LR, but automatic lighting is non-existent / poor as previously discussed.

I'll be sticking with DPP4, for now. I may give RawTherapee a whirl with TIFFs from DPP4, I've heard good things about that combination. RawTherapee's support for R3 RAWs, ain't.

Thankfully SOOC JPEGs are solid on the R3.

Best wishes to the crew!

In the old days I tried to drag the shutter too much and not get enough dof for fear of noise

with dxo PL I don't fear noise and get my ss up there - try to be at ss 1/160 and higher

iso 12,800 is no issue after I customize my Deep Prime adjustments

DPP and Lightrrom don't even come close and DPP is in fact bad for NR

Like R2, I adjust in dxo to screen and tastes -- this is Hollywood, not about attaining more boring natural

a few photos: Canon EOS M Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)

I’m actually unimpressed with DXO noise handling. Then again, the R3 doesn’t have a noise problem to handle. The layout of DXO isn’t as intuitive as LR. Maybe I’m just getting old and don’t like my cheese moved. Gonna give RawTherapee a whirl and reevaluate.

 RLight's gear list:RLight's gear list
Canon EOS M6 II Canon EOS R3 Canon EOS R50 Canon EF-M 55-200mm f/4.5-6.3 IS STM Canon EF-M 15-45mm F3.5-6.3 IS STM +3 more
MAC Forum Pro • Posts: 18,492
Re: R3 Observations - Handling

RLight wrote:

I’m actually unimpressed with DXO noise handling.

DxO PhotoLab 6 review: A powerful alternative to Adobe's editing suite: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)

hmm, many of us are impressed

Then again, the R3 doesn’t have a noise problem to handle. The layout of DXO isn’t as intuitive as LR. Maybe I’m just getting old and don’t like my cheese moved. Gonna give RawTherapee a whirl and reevaluate.

 MAC's gear list:MAC's gear list
Canon EOS 7D Mark II Canon EOS RP Canon EOS M6 II Canon EOS R8 Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM +7 more
OP RLight Senior Member • Posts: 4,426
Re: R3 Observations - Handling

MAC wrote:

RLight wrote:

I’m actually unimpressed with DXO noise handling.

DxO PhotoLab 6 review: A powerful alternative to Adobe's editing suite: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)

hmm, many of us are impressed

Then again, the R3 doesn’t have a noise problem to handle. The layout of DXO isn’t as intuitive as LR. Maybe I’m just getting old and don’t like my cheese moved. Gonna give RawTherapee a whirl and reevaluate.

The color and auto lighting still need, work.

Now I’ll say I’m “sold” on what it does for my G5x mark II, but that’s another story. My G5x mark II is on the chopping block. When an R8 or G1X VI emerge, that’s the end of it. It’s not keeping up with IQ leaps from smartphones. DXO certainly helps, tremendously too, but Canon needs to fortify those fronts and I suspect will given time. I don’t expect the R10 to “be it” for crop RF-S compact options.

 RLight's gear list:RLight's gear list
Canon EOS M6 II Canon EOS R3 Canon EOS R50 Canon EF-M 55-200mm f/4.5-6.3 IS STM Canon EF-M 15-45mm F3.5-6.3 IS STM +3 more
MAC Forum Pro • Posts: 18,492
Re: R3 Observations - Handling

RLight wrote:

MAC wrote:

RLight wrote:

I’m actually unimpressed with DXO noise handling.

DxO PhotoLab 6 review: A powerful alternative to Adobe's editing suite: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)

hmm, many of us are impressed

Then again, the R3 doesn’t have a noise problem to handle. The layout of DXO isn’t as intuitive as LR. Maybe I’m just getting old and don’t like my cheese moved. Gonna give RawTherapee a whirl and reevaluate.

The color and auto lighting still need, work.

hmm,

with big monitors, and all the highlight and shadow sliders and controls,

"We simply adjust everything by eye."

Once you move your cheese and learn the details including cloning settings, it is really good and efficient.

Now I’ll say I’m “sold” on what it does for my G5x mark II, but that’s another story.

Didn't you say 70% of your shooting was with the digicam?  That alone justifies the purchase.

but it also plays for your R3 and 28-70.  Essentially it gives you 1-2 stops advantage in light, making your f2 lens a f1.2 lens.

It would even come into play in the shots you took above.  Increase the shutter speed one stop from ss 1/80 to 1/160 for sharper results; For pairs, give the dof a bit more depth by 1 stop to f2.8 instead of f2.  Don't worry about the added noise because you have 1-2 stop advantage.  Move your cheese

My G5x mark II is on the chopping block. When an R8 or G1X VI emerge, that’s the end of it. It’s not keeping up with IQ leaps from smartphones. DXO certainly helps, tremendously too, but Canon needs to fortify those fronts and I suspect will given time. I don’t expect the R10 to “be it” for crop RF-S compact options.

I have noticed imo you are too much about running zooms on digicams and crop cameras for quick snaps.

In my opinion, crop cameras need primes and f1.4 lenses for more art.

RF-s isn't going to give us those f1.4 lenses

You had those f1.4 lenses with m6II and sold out

Personally I love my small RP and RF 24-105 F4 L.  The IQ and range is much better than anything you can run on those crop cameras and digicams..

So I use the great RF 24-105 L zoom formula for FF

and the great 32 f1.4 prime lens formula for crop.

 MAC's gear list:MAC's gear list
Canon EOS 7D Mark II Canon EOS RP Canon EOS M6 II Canon EOS R8 Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM +7 more
OP RLight Senior Member • Posts: 4,426
Re: R3 Observations - Handling

MAC wrote:

RLight wrote:

MAC wrote:

RLight wrote:

I’m actually unimpressed with DXO noise handling.

DxO PhotoLab 6 review: A powerful alternative to Adobe's editing suite: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)

hmm, many of us are impressed

Then again, the R3 doesn’t have a noise problem to handle. The layout of DXO isn’t as intuitive as LR. Maybe I’m just getting old and don’t like my cheese moved. Gonna give RawTherapee a whirl and reevaluate.

The color and auto lighting still need, work.

hmm,

with big monitors, and all the highlight and shadow sliders and controls,

"We simply adjust everything by eye."

Once you move your cheese and learn the details including cloning settings, it is really good and efficient.

Now I’ll say I’m “sold” on what it does for my G5x mark II, but that’s another story.

Didn't you say 70% of your shooting was with the digicam? That alone justifies the purchase.

but it also plays for your R3 and 28-70. Essentially it gives you 1-2 stops advantage in light, making your f2 lens a f1.2 lens.

It would even come into play in the shots you took above. Increase the shutter speed one stop from ss 1/80 to 1/160 for sharper results; For pairs, give the dof a bit more depth by 1 stop to f2.8 instead of f2. Don't worry about the added noise because you have 1-2 stop advantage. Move your cheese

My G5x mark II is on the chopping block. When an R8 or G1X VI emerge, that’s the end of it. It’s not keeping up with IQ leaps from smartphones. DXO certainly helps, tremendously too, but Canon needs to fortify those fronts and I suspect will given time. I don’t expect the R10 to “be it” for crop RF-S compact options.

I have noticed imo you are too much about running zooms on digicams and crop cameras for quick snaps.

In my opinion, crop cameras need primes and f1.4 lenses for more art.

RF-s isn't going to give us those f1.4 lenses

You had those f1.4 lenses with m6II and sold out

Personally I love my small RP and RF 24-105 F4 L. The IQ and range is much better than anything you can run on those crop cameras and digicams..

So I use the great RF 24-105 L zoom formula for FF

and the great 32 f1.4 prime lens formula for crop.

95% is now from the R3.

My opinion holds. Nice handiwork though.

 RLight's gear list:RLight's gear list
Canon EOS M6 II Canon EOS R3 Canon EOS R50 Canon EF-M 55-200mm f/4.5-6.3 IS STM Canon EF-M 15-45mm F3.5-6.3 IS STM +3 more
LensHood Junior Member • Posts: 33
Re: R3 Observations - Handling

Great summary. Surprised to read you like Fv mode so much. Can you explain why you like it so much? And why is it better than M?  I must be soing something wrong because I find changing a value a multistep process.

I choose M and leave iso on auto most of the time. Only in some circumstances I change iso to a specific value (but then you have the quirck that you cannot dial it back to auto with a wheel, you have to select it via Q menu.).

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