Everyday Carry - X100 vs XE / XT x0 / XT x00

Hi All,

Looking for an everyday carry camera to run alongside my Canon FF mirrorless kit for more casual situations where bringing out even the camera and the RF 35mm 1.8 would look a little odd. The photography I do is nowhere near artistic or visually compelling and nor do I try to be - it's all just snapshots and family/pet stuff

The obvious answer would be the X100 series, but was also looking at the versatility of running a kit (with one of the 23/27mm primes) with the eventual flexibility having a zoom (the Sigma 18-50 2.8 at 300 grams and a lightweight body would be the weight of the R6 alone and then some) looks very compelling since it is so small and light. The X100V is more compact with the prime, but the other cameras with the 18-50 seem to be nice to bring around as well.

This has had me looking at other options with the following form factors:

X100 Next Gen

XE4/XT200/XT30 Next Gen (whichever is the smallest and lightest with IBIS)

future Canon evf-less body with the rumored but most likely in the pipeline RF-S 22mm F2.0?

I do want to try Fuji so I'm partial to my first two options, but would like better autofocus to better closely match my Canon kit, which is why I'm waiting on successors to the current models, it appears the XH2/XT5 AF has largely improved even if it's not as fast as the XH2S.

If any, this will be a maximum, 2 lens kit (prime and the Sigma 18-50), where lenses + body combos approaching the size and weight of my Canon are likely not to be considered as it will be redundant (ruling out the nice Fuji 2.8 and 2.8-4 zooms)

I have never used a Fuji camera outside the XS10 (which was unfortunately the only operational Fuji on display at the local camera store) and have no idea what it's like to operate a camera with traditional dials and Fuji's menu in the field. I therefore come to this forum to ask if there would be any difference between something with the form factors like the entry level XT/XE series with a decent prime lens on it vs something like say the X100V which is grossly overpriced at the moment, other spec sheet differences like the weather sealing and leaf shutter aside)

Sorry for the text blob. Trying to make my situation as clear as possible (?)

Thanks for reading! Hope to see your opinions here

For added info I suppose, my FF kit is an R6 with the 24-105 F4, 70-200 F4, 35mm 1.8 and the 50mm 1.8

I think you should make a decision based on what focal length you want for this compact setup.   If 23 of the x100 35 equivalent works for you and you are ok wi try a fixed FL then that’s a hard choice to argue against.  
My normal setup is an XT4 with the 16-55, which isn’t especially small or light.  On vacation I have been taking my XT30 with the 18 f2 and 27 2.8 as my more casual walk around.  While I don’t think thr XT4 and 16-55 is a weight burden I’ll admit it’s a delight to take the smaller kit out when going out for the evening.  While I can work just fine with the 18 or 27 focal length neither just click for me.  23 seems like it would be about perfect for a general lens. I suppose that’s why 35 ff became into being. At any rate, only you can decide what FL works best for you.   Since you have another main kit and don’t want overlap again the x100x is probably good choice for you.

McWoodley wrote:

I think you should make a decision based on what focal length you want for this compact setup. If 23 of the x100 35 equivalent works for you and you are ok wi try a fixed FL then that’s a hard choice to argue against.
My normal setup is an XT4 with the 16-55, which isn’t especially small or light. On vacation I have been taking my XT30 with the 18 f2 and 27 2.8 as my more casual walk around. While I don’t think thr XT4 and 16-55 is a weight burden I’ll admit it’s a delight to take the smaller kit out when going out for the evening. While I can work just fine with the 18 or 27 focal length neither just click for me. 23 seems like it would be about perfect for a general lens. I suppose that’s why 35 ff became into being. At any rate, only you can decide what FL works best for you. Since you have another main kit and don’t want overlap again the x100x is probably good choice for you.

I'm really fine with the X100's 23mm, but am unsure if the XE/XT200/XT30 with a slightly bigger 23mm/27mm f2 would handle very differently in the field.

Also I'm not sure if there would be a lot of features missing from the different or more entry grade cameras (IE, w/ Canon, the cheaper models despite using the same processor would get cut down features and vastly simpler menus where auto shutter speed on AV mode would be missing)

Not sure if I'd be missing out if I pick up a cheaper Fuji vs the more premium X100. I'm also not such a big sucker for image quality as well. Canon's "bad" 50mm 1.8 has given me terrific images and I don't pixel peep for comparing lens sharpness.

And yes, it's really a delight to be able to pick up a smaller kit for casual settings. My now sold M50 with the 22mm was great for that purpose, but compromises like having only 1 dial, big differences in AF and worse AF in AF-C made me reach for the FF kit more often despite it's size.

I'm only considering the ILC models as the Simga 18-50 is VERY light, and with an IBIS body, could be a banger of a kit.

Thanks so much for your input!!

sushipep wrote:

Hi All,

Looking for an everyday carry camera to run alongside my Canon FF mirrorless kit for more casual situations where bringing out even the camera and the RF 35mm 1.8 would look a little odd. The photography I do is nowhere near artistic or visually compelling and nor do I try to be - it's all just snapshots and family/pet stuff

Hey there, you've got a nice setup. I'm just wondering what situations your R6 with the 35 would look odd lol. I'm happy to take my XH2s with the Sigma 18-50 or a f1.4 prime pretty much anywhere (except funerals or something!). However, I can see an X100V (which I used to own) being less inconspicuous.

The obvious answer would be the X100 series, but was also looking at the versatility of running a kit (with one of the 23/27mm primes) with the eventual flexibility having a zoom (the Sigma 18-50 2.8 at 300 grams and a lightweight body would be the weight of the R6 alone and then some) looks very compelling since it is so small and light. The X100V is more compact with the prime, but the other cameras with the 18-50 seem to be nice to bring around as well.

This has had me looking at other options with the following form factors:

X100 Next Gen

XE4/XT200/XT30 Next Gen (whichever is the smallest and lightest with IBIS)

future Canon evf-less body with the rumored but most likely in the pipeline RF-S 22mm F2.0?

I do want to try Fuji so I'm partial to my first two options, but would like better autofocus to better closely match my Canon kit, which is why I'm waiting on successors to the current models, it appears the XH2/XT5 AF has largely improved even if it's not as fast as the XH2S.

None of the smaller bodies except X-S10 has IBIS. Maybe the next generation would change things but unlikely imo.

If any, this will be a maximum, 2 lens kit (prime and the Sigma 18-50), where lenses + body combos approaching the size and weight of my Canon are likely not to be considered as it will be redundant (ruling out the nice Fuji 2.8 and 2.8-4 zooms)

The next X100(VI?) would be a good compact choice with latest AF but if you want ILC then an XE5/XT40/X-S20 whichever comes out next...next Fuji Summit is in April so not long hopefully. For zooms, that Sigma is a great choice and for primes, any of the small f2 lenses, 27mm f2.8 pancake or the old 35mm f1.4 (the most compact f1.4 lens with special rendering).

I have never used a Fuji camera outside the XS10 (which was unfortunately the only operational Fuji on display at the local camera store) and have no idea what it's like to operate a camera with traditional dials and Fuji's menu in the field. I therefore come to this forum to ask if there would be any difference between something with the form factors like the entry level XT/XE series with a decent prime lens on it vs something like say the X100V which is grossly overpriced at the moment, other spec sheet differences like the weather sealing and leaf shutter aside)

Sorry for the text blob. Trying to make my situation as clear as possible (?)

Thanks for reading! Hope to see your opinions here

For added info I suppose, my FF kit is an R6 with the 24-105 F4, 70-200 F4, 35mm 1.8 and the 50mm 1.8

If you're trying to be less inconspicuous (and carry less weight) then any of the compact Fuji bodies will do...IQ & AF from the same generation are identical. We have no idea what's coming out this year but hopefully the rumours start soon!

If you can't wait then have a look an the new XT5...I think it's about as good as it will get (anytime soon) with IBIS, bigger battery, decent grip, WR, decent EVF plus plenty of dials & controls!  The smaller bodies generally compromise in this area.

It's really the lenses that make a setup look big or small...imo. I use the XH2s (similar size to your R6) but with small lenses.

Good luck.

sushipep wrote:

McWoodley wrote:

I think you should make a decision based on what focal length you want for this compact setup. If 23 of the x100 35 equivalent works for you and you are ok wi try a fixed FL then that’s a hard choice to argue against.
My normal setup is an XT4 with the 16-55, which isn’t especially small or light. On vacation I have been taking my XT30 with the 18 f2 and 27 2.8 as my more casual walk around. While I don’t think thr XT4 and 16-55 is a weight burden I’ll admit it’s a delight to take the smaller kit out when going out for the evening. While I can work just fine with the 18 or 27 focal length neither just click for me. 23 seems like it would be about perfect for a general lens. I suppose that’s why 35 ff became into being. At any rate, only you can decide what FL works best for you. Since you have another main kit and don’t want overlap again the x100x is probably good choice for you.

I'm really fine with the X100's 23mm, but am unsure if the XE/XT200/XT30 with a slightly bigger 23mm/27mm f2 would handle very differently in the field.

Also I'm not sure if there would be a lot of features missing from the different or more entry grade cameras (IE, w/ Canon, the cheaper models despite using the same processor would get cut down features and vastly simpler menus where auto shutter speed on AV mode would be missing)

Haha my previous brand was Canon....Fuji does not do that. Menus are same...software wise they're all pretty much the same (from same generation).

Not sure if I'd be missing out if I pick up a cheaper Fuji vs the more premium X100. I'm also not such a big sucker for image quality as well. Canon's "bad" 50mm 1.8 has given me terrific images and I don't pixel peep for comparing lens sharpness.

Like I mentioned IQ would be the same. X100V has an excellent 23mm lens but you can pick whichever lens you want with an ILC. There are no bad Fuji lenses either.

And yes, it's really a delight to be able to pick up a smaller kit for casual settings. My now sold M50 with the 22mm was great for that purpose, but compromises like having only 1 dial, big differences in AF and worse AF in AF-C made me reach for the FF kit more often despite it's size.

I'm only considering the ILC models as the Simga 18-50 is VERY light, and with an IBIS body, could be a banger of a kit.

Thanks so much for your input!!

Not a fair comparison as your current lens has more range but you get the idea. R6 vs XT5 vx XE4.

Flying Fijian wrote:

Hey there, you've got a nice setup. I'm just wondering what situations your R6 with the 35 would look odd lol. I'm happy to take my XH2s with the Sigma 18-50 or a f1.4 prime pretty much anywhere (except funerals or something!). However, I can see an X100V (which I used to own) being less inconspicuous.

I guess 'large' is relative and I wouldn't mind taking the R6 out for a spin with maybe family, but I was looking at something like the M6 Mark II with the Canon 22mm F2.0 STM, which is much smaller for the same kind of (sorry, my frame of references are all Canons) to do the same thing, which is why I had the X100V in mind, which is very very inconspicuous.

None of the smaller bodies except X-S10 has IBIS. Maybe the next generation would change things but unlikely imo.

The next X100(VI?) would be a good compact choice with latest AF but if you want ILC then an XE5/XT40/X-S20 whichever comes out next...next Fuji Summit is in April so not long hopefully. For zooms, that Sigma is a great choice and for primes, any of the small f2 lenses, 27mm f2.8 pancake or the old 35mm f1.4 (the most compact f1.4 lens with special rendering).

If you're trying to be less inconspicuous (and carry less weight) then any of the compact Fuji bodies will do...IQ & AF from the same generation are identical. We have no idea what's coming out this year but hopefully the rumours start soon!

If you can't wait then have a look an the new XT5...I think it's about as good as it will get (anytime soon) with IBIS, bigger battery, decent grip, WR, decent EVF plus plenty of dials & controls! The smaller bodies generally compromise in this area.

The XT5 would actually be awesome but I'm not sure I want to go off on the deep end yet. Part of the allure of the EDC is that if I get mugged (unfortunate reality in these parts which is part of the reason I don't want to bring out the R6 for everyday), I won't really lose a whole lot of sleep over it. I know I'd go nuts if I lost the R6 and one of the F4 zooms...

The X100's weather sealing would also be nice - less to think about if the situation calls for it.

Either way, this seems like a great problem to have. Looking forward to all the rumors and I hope the local (I'm in south east asia) Fuji distributor carries a lot of the nice next gen cameras!!

I'm really liking the XE4 size with the Sigma 18-55 on your picture! I was thinking of having a prime on there the whole time and having the Sigma for a smaller 24-70 full frame equivalent. The R6 and the 24-105 isn't the largest but having a small kit is nice to take around too! I just can't tell if this is GAS at this point...

sushipep wrote:

Flying Fijian wrote:

Hey there, you've got a nice setup. I'm just wondering what situations your R6 with the 35 would look odd lol. I'm happy to take my XH2s with the Sigma 18-50 or a f1.4 prime pretty much anywhere (except funerals or something!). However, I can see an X100V (which I used to own) being less inconspicuous.

I guess 'large' is relative and I wouldn't mind taking the R6 out for a spin with maybe family, but I was looking at something like the M6 Mark II with the Canon 22mm F2.0 STM, which is much smaller for the same kind of (sorry, my frame of references are all Canons) to do the same thing, which is why I had the X100V in mind, which is very very inconspicuous.

Haha I had that M6ii with the 22mm & most of the ef-m lenses! Once I used the old XE3, I quickly sold all my Canon gear...M6ii was an excellent camera in some ways yet lacking some very basic things. Fuji is much better imo. The only minor advantage of the Canon at that that time was eye-AF but Fuji have more than caught up in that regard. It just takes some time to learn to do things "the Fuji way".

None of the smaller bodies except X-S10 has IBIS. Maybe the next generation would change things but unlikely imo.

The next X100(VI?) would be a good compact choice with latest AF but if you want ILC then an XE5/XT40/X-S20 whichever comes out next...next Fuji Summit is in April so not long hopefully. For zooms, that Sigma is a great choice and for primes, any of the small f2 lenses, 27mm f2.8 pancake or the old 35mm f1.4 (the most compact f1.4 lens with special rendering).

If you're trying to be less inconspicuous (and carry less weight) then any of the compact Fuji bodies will do...IQ & AF from the same generation are identical. We have no idea what's coming out this year but hopefully the rumours start soon!

If you can't wait then have a look an the new XT5...I think it's about as good as it will get (anytime soon) with IBIS, bigger battery, decent grip, WR, decent EVF plus plenty of dials & controls! The smaller bodies generally compromise in this area.

The XT5 would actually be awesome but I'm not sure I want to go off on the deep end yet. Part of the allure of the EDC is that if I get mugged (unfortunate reality in these parts which is part of the reason I don't want to bring out the R6 for everyday), I won't really lose a whole lot of sleep over it. I know I'd go nuts if I lost the R6 and one of the F4 zooms...

The X100's weather sealing would also be nice - less to think about if the situation calls for it.

Either way, this seems like a great problem to have. Looking forward to all the rumors and I hope the local (I'm in south east asia) Fuji distributor carries a lot of the nice next gen cameras!!

I'm really liking the XE4 size with the Sigma 18-55 on your picture! I was thinking of having a prime on there the whole time and having the Sigma for a smaller 24-70 full frame equivalent. The R6 and the 24-105 isn't the largest but having a small kit is nice to take around too! I just can't tell if this is GAS at this point...

Oh in that case, you would not want to have the X100V stolen considering what they're selling for these days! I mentioned the 35mm f1.4 earlier but another excellent compact prime would be the Sigma 56mm f1.4 if you want to do some portraits.

Yeah it could be just GAS but who knows you could fully switch to Fuji one day.

Flying Fijian wrote:

Haha I had that M6ii with the 22mm & most of the ef-m lenses! Once I used the old XE3, I quickly sold all my Canon gear...M6ii was an excellent camera in some ways yet lacking some very basic things. Fuji is much better imo. The only minor advantage of the Canon at that that time was eye-AF but Fuji have more than caught up in that regard. It just takes some time to learn to do things "the Fuji way".

Oh! Interesting. Since you've handled the M6II and the 22mm, how does the XE3 or your XT4 and a prime handle compared to that? Any less "pocketable"? You don't appear to have the smaller 23/27mm Fuji though. I had the M50 and fumbling with the single control dial was a pain to do when needing to shoot quickly, hence my eventual jump to the R6.

Oh in that case, you would not want to have the X100V stolen considering what they're selling for these days! I mentioned the 35mm f1.4 earlier but another excellent compact prime would be the Sigma 56mm f1.4 if you want to do some portraits.

Yeah it could be just GAS but who knows you could fully switch to Fuji one day.

I know! There's a VERY used (with battle scars to prove it) X100V going around the local FB marketplace for the equivalent of $2000...crazy!

I was always eyeing the Sigma 56mm 1.4 on the EFM mount but was hesitant to get in due to Canon's reluctance to support the line with more advanced bodies.

Too bad I had to part with the EFM 32mm and the 22mm. Those were gems in their own way.

I've been eyeing the R10 (and the eventual M6 II style body) and the eventual RF-S 22 though, but for a tiny kit and because Canon will likely not have any good RF-S fast zooms, going a separate brand for a smaller and lighter seems to be a good way to go.

The XT5 and the Sigma 18-50 would weigh about 850g, while the R6 and the 24-105 (no similar lens in that category) would go about 500 grams more. The XE/XT *0/XT *00 would be even lighter! This is probably the GAS talking at this point, but hey, it's all in good fun

sushipep wrote:

Flying Fijian wrote:

Haha I had that M6ii with the 22mm & most of the ef-m lenses! Once I used the old XE3, I quickly sold all my Canon gear...M6ii was an excellent camera in some ways yet lacking some very basic things. Fuji is much better imo. The only minor advantage of the Canon at that that time was eye-AF but Fuji have more than caught up in that regard. It just takes some time to learn to do things "the Fuji way".

Oh! Interesting. Since you've handled the M6II and the 22mm, how does the XE3 or your XT4 and a prime handle compared to that? Any less "pocketable"? You don't appear to have the smaller 23/27mm Fuji though. I had the M50 and fumbling with the single control dial was a pain to do when needing to shoot quickly, hence my eventual jump to the R6.

XE3 with the 27mm pancake is more "pocketable" but the grip on the M6ii was nice. XE4 went even more minimalist removing all grips. XT4 is bigger obviously but IBIS and the extra controls makes it worth it. XH2s is something else though! I had the M50 too before, I find the Fujis controls much better.

Oh in that case, you would not want to have the X100V stolen considering what they're selling for these days! I mentioned the 35mm f1.4 earlier but another excellent compact prime would be the Sigma 56mm f1.4 if you want to do some portraits.

Yeah it could be just GAS but who knows you could fully switch to Fuji one day.

I know! There's a VERY used (with battle scars to prove it) X100V going around the local FB marketplace for the equivalent of $2000...crazy!

I sold mine for AU$3000 haha. Great camera but not worth that much when I've got 3 other Fuji bodies.

I was always eyeing the Sigma 56mm 1.4 on the EFM mount but was hesitant to get in due to Canon's reluctance to support the line with more advanced bodies.

Too bad I had to part with the EFM 32mm and the 22mm. Those were gems in their own way.

Yeah the 32 was nice & I tried holding onto it but once I used the old Fuji 35 f1.4, it was game over for Canon.

I've been eyeing the R10 (and the eventual M6 II style body) and the eventual RF-S 22 though, but for a tiny kit and because Canon will likely not have any good RF-S fast zooms, going a separate brand for a smaller and lighter seems to be a good way to go.

Yeah and no third party lenses now makes things worse.

The XT5 and the Sigma 18-50 would weigh about 850g, while the R6 and the 24-105 (no similar lens in that category) would go about 500 grams more. The XE/XT *0/XT *00 would be even lighter! This is probably the GAS talking at this point, but hey, it's all in good fun

Haha yeah start small & cheap...the XE3 with the 18-55 f2.8-4 kit lens was my gateway!

I minimised my budget when getting a small Fuji kit alongside my main Canon gear. Got an X-A10 with 23mm f1.4 R for street and low light, as a more inconspicuous kit for that purpose. The lens on that body is kinda slow. Already it has an older focus motor. The newer version must be better, also more expensive and larger. But it does the job and will work better on a newer body. Beautiful lens apart from that.

One "annoying" thing with Fuji menus is that when you press menu, it doesn't go back to where you last were. Not much of an issue but just a matter of habit. If you use flash, I did notice that Fuji behaves differently than Canon. I mostly shoot manual with auto iso. When I deploy the flash on my G1X III, the camera knows I'm using flash to light the scene and so it automatically dials down the ISO to let the flash correct the subject exposure. This doesn't happen with Fuji. Even if you're using flash, the camera will still prioritise ISO to keep exposure correct and use flash only to fill light. So one must keep changing ISO manually in order to make the flash use more power.

Flying Fijian wrote:

sushipep wrote:

Flying Fijian wrote:

Haha I had that M6ii with the 22mm & most of the ef-m lenses! Once I used the old XE3, I quickly sold all my Canon gear...M6ii was an excellent camera in some ways yet lacking some very basic things. Fuji is much better imo. The only minor advantage of the Canon at that that time was eye-AF but Fuji have more than caught up in that regard. It just takes some time to learn to do things "the Fuji way".

Oh! Interesting. Since you've handled the M6II and the 22mm, how does the XE3 or your XT4 and a prime handle compared to that? Any less "pocketable"? You don't appear to have the smaller 23/27mm Fuji though. I had the M50 and fumbling with the single control dial was a pain to do when needing to shoot quickly, hence my eventual jump to the R6.

XE3 with the 27mm pancake is more "pocketable" but the grip on the M6ii was nice. XE4 went even more minimalist removing all grips. XT4 is bigger obviously but IBIS and the extra controls makes it worth it. XH2s is something else though! I had the M50 too before, I find the Fujis controls much better.

Oh in that case, you would not want to have the X100V stolen considering what they're selling for these days! I mentioned the 35mm f1.4 earlier but another excellent compact prime would be the Sigma 56mm f1.4 if you want to do some portraits.

Yeah it could be just GAS but who knows you could fully switch to Fuji one day.

I know! There's a VERY used (with battle scars to prove it) X100V going around the local FB marketplace for the equivalent of $2000...crazy!

I sold mine for AU$3000 haha. Great camera but not worth that much when I've got 3 other Fuji bodies.

I was always eyeing the Sigma 56mm 1.4 on the EFM mount but was hesitant to get in due to Canon's reluctance to support the line with more advanced bodies.

Too bad I had to part with the EFM 32mm and the 22mm. Those were gems in their own way.

Yeah the 32 was nice & I tried holding onto it but once I used the old Fuji 35 f1.4, it was game over for Canon.

I've been eyeing the R10 (and the eventual M6 II style body) and the eventual RF-S 22 though, but for a tiny kit and because Canon will likely not have any good RF-S fast zooms, going a separate brand for a smaller and lighter seems to be a good way to go.

Yeah and no third party lenses now makes things worse.

The XT5 and the Sigma 18-50 would weigh about 850g, while the R6 and the 24-105 (no similar lens in that category) would go about 500 grams more. The XE/XT *0/XT *00 would be even lighter! This is probably the GAS talking at this point, but hey, it's all in good fun

Haha yeah start small & cheap...the XE3 with the 18-55 f2.8-4 kit lens was my gateway!

I am regretting making this thread already

I'm now thinking that the XT5 with the Fuji 27mm WR 2.8 should make a killer combination.

Kidding aside, between the X100V and the XE3/XT4, was it that much of a compactness difference? Or not really?

I can get a zoom for the size of the R6 and the RF35, or could get a 40mm FF equivalent for marginally bigger than the X100V. The X100V has the advantage of 1 stop aperture though. I could do without the leaf shutter I think.

sushipep wrote:

Flying Fijian wrote:

sushipep wrote:

Flying Fijian wrote:

Haha I had that M6ii with the 22mm & most of the ef-m lenses! Once I used the old XE3, I quickly sold all my Canon gear...M6ii was an excellent camera in some ways yet lacking some very basic things. Fuji is much better imo. The only minor advantage of the Canon at that that time was eye-AF but Fuji have more than caught up in that regard. It just takes some time to learn to do things "the Fuji way".

Oh! Interesting. Since you've handled the M6II and the 22mm, how does the XE3 or your XT4 and a prime handle compared to that? Any less "pocketable"? You don't appear to have the smaller 23/27mm Fuji though. I had the M50 and fumbling with the single control dial was a pain to do when needing to shoot quickly, hence my eventual jump to the R6.

XE3 with the 27mm pancake is more "pocketable" but the grip on the M6ii was nice. XE4 went even more minimalist removing all grips. XT4 is bigger obviously but IBIS and the extra controls makes it worth it. XH2s is something else though! I had the M50 too before, I find the Fujis controls much better.

Oh in that case, you would not want to have the X100V stolen considering what they're selling for these days! I mentioned the 35mm f1.4 earlier but another excellent compact prime would be the Sigma 56mm f1.4 if you want to do some portraits.

Yeah it could be just GAS but who knows you could fully switch to Fuji one day.

I know! There's a VERY used (with battle scars to prove it) X100V going around the local FB marketplace for the equivalent of $2000...crazy!

I sold mine for AU$3000 haha. Great camera but not worth that much when I've got 3 other Fuji bodies.

I was always eyeing the Sigma 56mm 1.4 on the EFM mount but was hesitant to get in due to Canon's reluctance to support the line with more advanced bodies.

Too bad I had to part with the EFM 32mm and the 22mm. Those were gems in their own way.

Yeah the 32 was nice & I tried holding onto it but once I used the old Fuji 35 f1.4, it was game over for Canon.

I've been eyeing the R10 (and the eventual M6 II style body) and the eventual RF-S 22 though, but for a tiny kit and because Canon will likely not have any good RF-S fast zooms, going a separate brand for a smaller and lighter seems to be a good way to go.

Yeah and no third party lenses now makes things worse.

The XT5 and the Sigma 18-50 would weigh about 850g, while the R6 and the 24-105 (no similar lens in that category) would go about 500 grams more. The XE/XT *0/XT *00 would be even lighter! This is probably the GAS talking at this point, but hey, it's all in good fun

Haha yeah start small & cheap...the XE3 with the 18-55 f2.8-4 kit lens was my gateway!

I am regretting making this thread already

I'm now thinking that the XT5 with the Fuji 27mm WR 2.8 should make a killer combination.

Kidding aside, between the X100V and the XE3/XT4, was it that much of a compactness difference? Or not really?

In terms of compactness, XE3/XE4 with the 27mm is actually lighter/smaller than the X100V. X100V is a completely different camera in many ways though. The X100V has way more features but not everyone's going to use those.

Check out this video to get an idea:

The XT4 is noticeably bigger (not in a bad way though) as it has that EVF hump on top but gains a lot more i return. The new XT5 is actually smaller & lighter than the XT4 while improving the grip. I'd switch to the XT5 but would lose too money much in the process.

It's still quite compact with small primes or the Sigma zoom.

Check this site for size/weight comparisons:

https://bit.ly/3XyKKvO

Good luck!

I think the questions you need to ask yourself are these, and in roughly this order:

1. Do you want PASM (X-Tx00) or traditional controls (the others)?
2. Do you want a left-side viewfinder (X100, X-E) or central (X-Tx0, X-Tx00)?
3. Do you want an OVF (X100) or are you not bothered (the others); though note that the X100V still has slightly the better EVF, not that the others are awful by any means, especially if you don’t wear glasses.
4. Are you frequently going to want full manual control of ISO as well as aperture and shutter speed? If so, X100V has an ISO dial while the others will reset your ISO to a stored value every time you select a custom settings bank.
5. Do you want to use the custom settings to create JPEG recipes while shooting in the same fashion (X100, X-E3 or earlier, X-T30 mk1 or earlier, X-Tx00) or do you want to use them to create different ways of shooting, eg AF configs and everything else, instead (X-E4, X-T30 mk2)? If you’re set on one then picking the wrong camera might drive you nuts (it does me).
6. Are you happy with the focal length of the X100 (noting that it has the option of converter lenses if you like that sort of thing) or will you want lens options including zooms?

If you can answer most of those then you should have an answer.

All of them give great image quality, and they all handle pretty well. An X-E with the 27 is basically the same size and shape as an X100 so that doesn’t differentiate them. The X-Tx0 bodies are a similar size with a slight hump, and obviously a slightly different shape; personally I find the flat rangefinder style slips in and out of bags just slightly easier. Only the X100V is weather resistant, though in all honesty it doesn’t “feel” rugged so I’m not sure how much confidence it gives me.

Asla wrote:

Hi!

For size and versatility I'd say X-E4. It has no ibis. But nor has X100V. How important that feature is? How important that size/weight factory is? How important the versatility is?

I have cameras with and without stabilisation. Telling the truth, I do not really notice difference. And I do make photographs also in dim conditions and without tripod.

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Love the IBIS on my R6 and it makes a lot of difference on unstabilized primes. Have an RP and the 50mm 1.8 is so much more useable when taking very low light shots. Don't mind some weight, a bit of size or $$ penalty but would like to have IBIS moving forward!

Jeff Biscuits wrote:

I think the questions you need to ask yourself are these, and in roughly this order:

1. Do you want PASM (X-Tx00) or traditional controls (the others)?
2. Do you want a left-side viewfinder (X100, X-E) or central (X-Tx0, X-Tx00)?
3. Do you want an OVF (X100) or are you not bothered (the others); though note that the X100V still has slightly the better EVF, not that the others are awful by any means, especially if you don’t wear glasses.
4. Are you frequently going to want full manual control of ISO as well as aperture and shutter speed? If so, X100V has an ISO dial while the others will reset your ISO to a stored value every time you select a custom settings bank.
5. Do you want to use the custom settings to create JPEG recipes while shooting in the same fashion (X100, X-E3 or earlier, X-T30 mk1 or earlier, X-Tx00) or do you want to use them to create different ways of shooting, eg AF configs and everything else, instead (X-E4, X-T30 mk2)? If you’re set on one then picking the wrong camera might drive you nuts (it does me).
6. Are you happy with the focal length of the X100 (noting that it has the option of converter lenses if you like that sort of thing) or will you want lens options including zooms?

If you can answer most of those then you should have an answer.

All of them give great image quality, and they all handle pretty well. An X-E with the 27 is basically the same size and shape as an X100 so that doesn’t differentiate them. The X-Tx0 bodies are a similar size with a slight hump, and obviously a slightly different shape; personally I find the flat rangefinder style slips in and out of bags just slightly easier. Only the X100V is weather resistant, though in all honesty it doesn’t “feel” rugged so I’m not sure how much confidence it gives me.

Thanks for the input!!

Don't know how I missed the XT*00 having the PASM dials as well!

Interesting point about the left side viewfinder. I do wear glasses and would likely prefer a central mounted viewfinder.

#4 I am actually currently running with manual mode with auto ISO (and using the exposure comp instead) and prefer this to manually dialing in the ISO at the moment unless I use flash with the Canon. I suppose I'm neutral on this.

#5 I'm actually not sure what I want. I guess this is a use-to-see thing, as on the Canon it's pretty just one setting?

#6 I'm torn on this actually. The X100V is ideal I think in most other aspects but I'm not sure if I'd be happy with "just" the 35mm equivalent. I can make the case for an entirely smaller kit or just running with the R6 if I want some additional range.

My everyday carry Fujis are the X-M1 (ancient by current standards,but tiny and makes beautiful files) and the X-T10, both with the 27mm WR. Which I carry depends on the room I have available in whatever bag I am using and whether I feel the need for a viewfinder.

I do plan the replace the X-T10 with an X-T20 sometimes this year, but size will be the same and the weight similar.

Just as an update to people who may be interested:

I'm currently weighing an XT5 with the 27mm 2.8 WR for the weather sealing and very small size, but will be highly dependent on whether or not Fuji can bring autofocus from the XH2S 3.0 to the XH2/XT5... I know I likely won't need that but I've been spoiled by the recent updates to AF.

If an XT40 comes out with IBIS (unlikely and WR) which are both unlikely given the previous models and segmentation, I'd go for that too.

If both are no go then I'll decide again but likely the M6 Mark II style camera in RF mount with the RF-S 22 will be my pick (with the unfortunate sacrifice of the weather sealing).

Question about the dials:

Looking from the top, the XT4/5 has an ISO dial on the left, a shutter speed dial in the middle and an exposure compensation dial to the right. I'm expected to change the aperture on the lens.

What do the front and rear dials do? Are these user programmable?

sushipep wrote:

Just as an update to people who may be interested:

I'm currently weighing an XT5 with the 27mm 2.8 WR for the weather sealing and very small size, but will be highly dependent on whether or not Fuji can bring autofocus from the XH2S 3.0 to the XH2/XT5... I know I likely won't need that but I've been spoiled by the recent updates to AF.

Firmware will be updated for sure but XH2s has a stacked sensor so XT5/XH2 won't be as good at least in tracking.

If an XT40 comes out with IBIS (unlikely and WR) which are both unlikely given the previous models and segmentation, I'd go for that too.

If both are no go then I'll decide again but likely the M6 Mark II style camera in RF mount with the RF-S 22 will be my pick (with the unfortunate sacrifice of the weather sealing).

Question about the dials:

Looking from the top, the XT4/5 has an ISO dial on the left, a shutter speed dial in the middle and an exposure compensation dial to the right. I'm expected to change the aperture on the lens.

What do the front and rear dials do? Are these user programmable?

Yes that's correct. In that case, by default (I not 100% as I have it set up differently!) the front dial is for aperture if the lens has no aperture ring while the rear dial will further adjust the shutter speed in increments of 1/3 EV.

You can also set the ISO, Shutter & EC dials to "C" and then use the front & rear dials to control everything. Aperture can also be set up to the front/rear dials. These dials are clickable so you can control more than one thing if you like...you can set it up in so many ways.

I usually shoot in aperture priority so I usually have the ISO & Shutter dials on "A" and just control the aperture ring. I also put the EC dial to C and control it via the rear dial. Not only do I find this easier, it also let's you go from -5 to +5 instead of -3 to +3...not that you really need that!

I leave it on Auto ISO & there's 3 auto ISO modes. Each can have a different min - max ISO range & also different Min shutter speeds.

There's so much more to it...probably best to check out the manual!

https://fujifilm-dsc.com/en/manual/x-t5/

Enjoy!

Flying Fijian wrote:

There's so much more to it...probably best to check out the manual!

https://fujifilm-dsc.com/en/manual/x-t5/

Enjoy!

Downloaded already, thanks! I'm seriously waiting for the XH2 and XT5 firmware to see if I'll pull the trigger (also waiting on the XS20).

Speaking of the tracking, how's tracking on your XH2s and XT4 vs something like your M6II?

I shoot with back button focus on the Canon, I leave the AF box on the center, use the AF On button to initiate tracking, just "grab" the target and let the AF do it's thing.

I also do shoot in Servo or AF-C so I realize that's where Fuji isn't so good at the moment.

Based on all reviews I've seen so far and including the XH2S 3.0, I don't expect Fuji to catch up in a generation, but I'd like something a little closer to what I'm currently used to. While the AF was certainly solid on the M50, it is nowhere near as easy to use as on the R6.

sushipep wrote:

Flying Fijian wrote:

There's so much more to it...probably best to check out the manual!

https://fujifilm-dsc.com/en/manual/x-t5/

Enjoy!

Downloaded already, thanks! I'm seriously waiting for the XH2 and XT5 firmware to see if I'll pull the trigger (also waiting on the XS20).

Nice...shouldn't be too long. What kind of shooting do you do...people or animals?

Also as you know, the XS20 will be a cut down version with PASM so quite different from XT5.

Speaking of the tracking, how's tracking on your XH2s and XT4 vs something like your M6II?

From memory the M50 was average so the M6ii was much better. XT4 face/eye tracking is average to say the least and the XH2s is way better (much better than M6ii) in this regards and adds other subject detection which is also quite good. It can only get better with future firmware.

I shoot with back button focus on the Canon, I leave the AF box on the center, use the AF On button to initiate tracking, just "grab" the target and let the AF do it's thing.

I haven't needed to use back button focus...if you set it to wide tracking, your focus box can be anywhere and you just half press the shutter button to track it (you can't do this with video atm unfortunately)..

You can set it to easily change from single point, zone or wide tracking with just turning the rear dial. Your focus box can be basically any size...

I also do shoot in Servo or AF-C so I realize that's where Fuji isn't so good at the moment.

Based on all reviews I've seen so far and including the XH2S 3.0, I don't expect Fuji to catch up in a generation, but I'd like something a little closer to what I'm currently used to. While the AF was certainly solid on the M50, it is nowhere near as easy to use as on the R6.

AF-C on XH2s is great and it's also excellent with the XT4 (just you turn off face detection on XT4).

The thing with reviews as it's done by people who don't normally use Fujifilm as their main system. Also I can only vouch for the photography side, most complaints are about video where AF seems quirky.

I think it's more a matter of adapting to doing things the Fuji way vs the Canon as the two brands are quite different. Some of the older Fuji lenses also have an impact on tracking but they peform much better on newer bodies.

This is a new generation sensor and it will take a few firmware tweaks to reach it's full potential. As you can see the XH2s is already on 3.0...this camera was out first and is the flagship so others (XH2 followed by XT5) should get updated next.