Disappointed with Canon

Alexis wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

Actually with the availability of 3rd party and the entirety of Canon’s EF/EF-S lens library, the M System has been pretty well fleshed out already (all except for that compact Sigma f/2.8 zoom ). Heck, with my M6ii right now I feel I can shoot just about anything on this planet! No need for any Fuji clunkers for me (my friend has a huge Fuji system and I shoot with it every now and then). No sir, I love my Canon.

R2

Just returned from shooting a destination wedding in Greece using my trusted M50ii, a borrowed M50 and a nice collection of lenses: Canon 11-22, and 15-45, Sigma 30 and 56/1.4s along with a couple of flashguns (Canon 580 EXii and Phottix Mitros) - I was thinking something very close to what you are saying R2.

If only I could have an EF-M version of my beloved Sigma 17-50 f/2.8, I reckon I could have shot 85% of the wedding with my imaginary lens on the M50ii and the other 15% split between the Sigmas and the occasional wide angle shot with the 11-22. Honestly, it is the ONLY thing missing from having the complete wedding kit in an M system.

Yes that “missing” zoom would certainly make life easier, but I have to echo what MAC said in that I bet you did GREAT!  

R2

Larry Rexley wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

Hawkypuck wrote:

Is the sigma 150-600 c as shatp as the s version?

Sport version is sharper. But it's waaay heavier (6 lbs vs 4 lbs).

R2

Do you have experience with both lenses? Some reviewers say the Sports version is sharper, but others seem to say they are about the same and a few even claim their copy of the Contemporary is sharper than the Sports version.

I know several birders with one or the other lens, and they’re all in agreement, but perhaps those around the web have indeed gotten different quality copies.  I’ve only shot the “C” enough to get a feel for it (was too heavy to suit me).

I just got the 'C' version and it's pretty darn sharp... I'd have to say sharper than the EF-S 55-250 IS STM.

Definitely.

I was able to get near-pixel level sharpness on the M6ii using DxO PL6, and even got respectable results with the Rexley 1.5x Kenko SHQ teleconverter wide open at 600mm.

I spent the big bucks and went with the top-shelf Canon 100-400ii (and 1.4x iii) instead (on the M6ii and 7D2).

Now I’m shooting with the RF 100-500 + 1.4x on the R5 and it’s truly superlative.  But waaay more $$$ yet.  And lighter too, like my wallet!  

The 150-600 'C' lens was even 'larger' than my impression of it from the reviews.... you're right it's a beast of a lens and needs a very large camera bag. But I found it wasn't as heavy as I expected, and I was able to use it hand-held with excellent results - see the post at the link below:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4692522

I actually wrote my post/reply in that thread before seeing your post here, so you got my truly unfiltered thoughts there.  Didn’t mean to rain so hard on your parade, but I always calls ‘em as I sees ‘em anyway.  

Like I mentioned in that thread, I think you’ll benefit from removing the TC (even for long distances).  Give it a whirl.

Happy shooting!

R2D2 wrote:

Larry Rexley wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

Hawkypuck wrote:

Is the sigma 150-600 c as shatp as the s version?

Sport version is sharper. But it's waaay heavier (6 lbs vs 4 lbs).

R2

Do you have experience with both lenses? Some reviewers say the Sports version is sharper, but others seem to say they are about the same and a few even claim their copy of the Contemporary is sharper than the Sports version.

I know several birders with one or the other lens, and they’re all in agreement, but perhaps those around the web have indeed gotten different quality copies. I’ve only shot the “C” enough to get a feel for it (was too heavy to suit me).

I just got the 'C' version and it's pretty darn sharp... I'd have to say sharper than the EF-S 55-250 IS STM.

Definitely.

I was able to get near-pixel level sharpness on the M6ii using DxO PL6, and even got respectable results with the Rexley 1.5x Kenko SHQ teleconverter wide open at 600mm.

I spent the big bucks and went with the top-shelf Canon 100-400ii (and 1.4x iii) instead (on the M6ii and 7D2).

Now I’m shooting with the RF 100-500 + 1.4x on the R5 and it’s truly superlative. But waaay more $$$ yet. And lighter too, like my wallet!

The 150-600 'C' lens was even 'larger' than my impression of it from the reviews.... you're right it's a beast of a lens and needs a very large camera bag. But I found it wasn't as heavy as I expected, and I was able to use it hand-held with excellent results - see the post at the link below:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4692522

I actually wrote my post/reply in that thread before seeing your post here, so you got my truly unfiltered thoughts there. Didn’t mean to rain so hard on your parade, but I always calls ‘em as I sees ‘em anyway.

Like I mentioned in that thread, I think you’ll benefit from removing the TC (even for long distances). Give it a whirl.

Happy shooting!

How do you keep from dropping that stuff when dancing after stepping on a snake while chasing birds down by the river ?

The Hillsborough river is where I see the most birds but it is easier to get good shots of birds with a cropped camera on a good sunny day at the beach. With no snakes ?

Beach birds will get close to you too because they are not so afraid of humans and like handouts.

The big ones will stroll right past you.

https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/pompanobeach/latest/pompanobeach_fl/0-0-0-81453

m100 wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

Larry Rexley wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

Hawkypuck wrote:

Is the sigma 150-600 c as shatp as the s version?

Sport version is sharper. But it's waaay heavier (6 lbs vs 4 lbs).

R2

Do you have experience with both lenses? Some reviewers say the Sports version is sharper, but others seem to say they are about the same and a few even claim their copy of the Contemporary is sharper than the Sports version.

I know several birders with one or the other lens, and they’re all in agreement, but perhaps those around the web have indeed gotten different quality copies. I’ve only shot the “C” enough to get a feel for it (was too heavy to suit me).

I just got the 'C' version and it's pretty darn sharp... I'd have to say sharper than the EF-S 55-250 IS STM.

Definitely.

I was able to get near-pixel level sharpness on the M6ii using DxO PL6, and even got respectable results with the Rexley 1.5x Kenko SHQ teleconverter wide open at 600mm.

I spent the big bucks and went with the top-shelf Canon 100-400ii (and 1.4x iii) instead (on the M6ii and 7D2).

Now I’m shooting with the RF 100-500 + 1.4x on the R5 and it’s truly superlative. But waaay more $$$ yet. And lighter too, like my wallet!

The 150-600 'C' lens was even 'larger' than my impression of it from the reviews.... you're right it's a beast of a lens and needs a very large camera bag. But I found it wasn't as heavy as I expected, and I was able to use it hand-held with excellent results - see the post at the link below:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4692522

I actually wrote my post/reply in that thread before seeing your post here, so you got my truly unfiltered thoughts there. Didn’t mean to rain so hard on your parade, but I always calls ‘em as I sees ‘em anyway.

Like I mentioned in that thread, I think you’ll benefit from removing the TC (even for long distances). Give it a whirl.

Happy shooting!

How do you keep from dropping that stuff when dancing after stepping on a snake while chasing birds down by the river ?

LOL

The Hillsborough river is where I see the most birds

What part of the river?

but it is easier to get good shots of birds with a cropped camera on a good sunny day at the beach. With no snakes ?

Beach birds will get close to you too because they are not so afraid of humans and like handouts.

The big ones will stroll right past you.

Right.  I found if I sit on the beach or causeway for a while, about 20 feet away from where they like to go, they start ignoring me after 5-10 minutes and they'll walk right past me. The M6ii's mechanical shutter doesn't seem to scare them away. I read that the R7's shutter is quite loud.

https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/pompanobeach/latest/pompanobeach_fl/0-0-0-81453

Photato wrote:

m100 wrote:

Photato wrote:

It sucks not doubt, because your M lenses are no compatible, but that is life, deal with it.

Whenever I start to get bummed I go to the R forum and read and my R camera desires seem to go away.

For real, not kidding.

I don’t regret moving to R. In fact, it has been great, very satisfied with this gear.

It feels like I finally can settle for years with one camera, the R10.

Not going to happen if you continue reading here!

You will face G.A.S. soon.... 😉

Alexis wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

Actually with the availability of 3rd party and the entirety of Canon’s EF/EF-S lens library, the M System has been pretty well fleshed out already (all except for that compact Sigma f/2.8 zoom ). Heck, with my M6ii right now I feel I can shoot just about anything on this planet! No need for any Fuji clunkers for me (my friend has a huge Fuji system and I shoot with it every now and then). No sir, I love my Canon.

R2

Just returned from shooting a destination wedding in Greece using my trusted M50ii, a borrowed M50 and a nice collection of lenses: Canon 11-22, and 15-45, Sigma 30 and 56/1.4s along with a couple of flashguns (Canon 580 EXii and Phottix Mitros) - I was thinking something very close to what you are saying R2.

If only I could have an EF-M version of my beloved Sigma 17-50 f/2.8, I reckon I could have shot 85% of the wedding with my imaginary lens on the M50ii and the other 15% split between the Sigmas and the occasional wide angle shot with the 11-22. Honestly, it is the ONLY thing missing from having the complete wedding kit in an M system.

I understand your point of view for what you do, but I am still missing a longer native tele zoom >200mm in a compact size for M.

Larry Rexley wrote:

What part of the river?

Go here and rent a canoe if you don't have one or walk out on the boardwalk.

https://www.hillsboroughcounty.org/en/locations/john-b-sargeant-conservation-park

m100 wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

How do you keep from dropping that stuff when dancing after stepping on a snake while chasing birds down by the river ?

Fortunately up here in Wis we don’t have to worry much about (dangerous) snakes!

I did slip running down a frosty leaf-covered riverbank once (trying to catch an osprey fishing) and almost slid right into the (32 degree F) swift water!  Talk about shooting from water level!!  Saved my camera though!  

The Hillsborough river is where I see the most birds but it is easier to get good shots of birds with a cropped camera on a good sunny day at the beach. With no snakes ?

You guys are just so lucky.  Up here it’s all frozen over solid.  Nothing moving.

Beach birds will get close to you too because they are not so afraid of humans and like handouts.

The big ones will stroll right past you.

I’m definitely living in the wrong part of the country!

Enjoy every one of your opportunities my friends!

R2

R2D2 wrote:

m100 wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

How do you keep from dropping that stuff when dancing after stepping on a snake while chasing birds down by the river ?

Fortunately up here in Wis we don’t have to worry much about (dangerous) snakes!

I did slip running down a frosty leaf-covered riverbank once (trying to catch an osprey fishing) and almost slid right into the (32 degree F) swift water! Talk about shooting from water level!! Saved my camera though!

The Hillsborough river is where I see the most birds but it is easier to get good shots of birds with a cropped camera on a good sunny day at the beach. With no snakes ?

You guys are just so lucky. Up here it’s all frozen over solid. Nothing moving.

Beach birds will get close to you too because they are not so afraid of humans and like handouts.

The big ones will stroll right past you.

I’m definitely living in the wrong part of the country!

Enjoy every one of your opportunities my friends!

R2

If it helps you for comfort, my area in Germany is also lacking good wildlife ops, not only in winter. For this reason I am now into street photography. May be this has to offer more ops than nature stuff?  🤷‍♂️

R2D2 wrote:

Alexis wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

Actually with the availability of 3rd party and the entirety of Canon’s EF/EF-S lens library, the M System has been pretty well fleshed out already (all except for that compact Sigma f/2.8 zoom ). Heck, with my M6ii right now I feel I can shoot just about anything on this planet! No need for any Fuji clunkers for me (my friend has a huge Fuji system and I shoot with it every now and then). No sir, I love my Canon.

R2

Just returned from shooting a destination wedding in Greece using my trusted M50ii, a borrowed M50 and a nice collection of lenses: Canon 11-22, and 15-45, Sigma 30 and 56/1.4s along with a couple of flashguns (Canon 580 EXii and Phottix Mitros) - I was thinking something very close to what you are saying R2.

If only I could have an EF-M version of my beloved Sigma 17-50 f/2.8, I reckon I could have shot 85% of the wedding with my imaginary lens on the M50ii and the other 15% split between the Sigmas and the occasional wide angle shot with the 11-22. Honestly, it is the ONLY thing missing from having the complete wedding kit in an M system.

Yes that “missing” zoom would certainly make life easier, but I have to echo what MAC said in that I bet you did GREAT!

R2

Thanks for the vote of confidence R2 and MAC.

I was generally happy with the results but the bulk of the images are of the party/dancing at the end which I took with the kit lens (15-45) around the 20-30mm range which was not great with that lens. I could have used the 30/1.4 for some of the images or even the 11-22 but I wanted the flexibility of a good quality zoom lens for the fast action which sadly I did not have with the kit lens.

Other than that, the 30/1.4 was probably the most used lens throughout the day followed by the 56/1.4 and the 11-22. The 55-200 never came out of the bag on this occasion although I love that lens.  Here are a few images that I quickly grabbed as I am still editing bridal preparation.

Alexis wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

Alexis wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

Actually with the availability of 3rd party and the entirety of Canon’s EF/EF-S lens library, the M System has been pretty well fleshed out already (all except for that compact Sigma f/2.8 zoom ). Heck, with my M6ii right now I feel I can shoot just about anything on this planet! No need for any Fuji clunkers for me (my friend has a huge Fuji system and I shoot with it every now and then). No sir, I love my Canon.

R2

Just returned from shooting a destination wedding in Greece using my trusted M50ii, a borrowed M50 and a nice collection of lenses: Canon 11-22, and 15-45, Sigma 30 and 56/1.4s along with a couple of flashguns (Canon 580 EXii and Phottix Mitros) - I was thinking something very close to what you are saying R2.

If only I could have an EF-M version of my beloved Sigma 17-50 f/2.8, I reckon I could have shot 85% of the wedding with my imaginary lens on the M50ii and the other 15% split between the Sigmas and the occasional wide angle shot with the 11-22. Honestly, it is the ONLY thing missing from having the complete wedding kit in an M system.

Yes that “missing” zoom would certainly make life easier, but I have to echo what MAC said in that I bet you did GREAT!

R2

Thanks for the vote of confidence R2 and MAC.

I was generally happy with the results

If you were happy, I'm sure they will be happy!

but the bulk of the images are of the party/dancing at the end

yeah, I can remember over-shooting the dancing segment in the 25 weddings I did

some of the best stuff I got with dancing was actually with my fish eye lens over my head pointed down on them on the dance floor (pj football interview style) and at the same time pumping lots of light with my odins into the ceiling and onto the scene.

this shooting style provided context of the moments -- actions and reactions of large number of folks

which I took with the kit lens (15-45) around the 20-30mm range which was not great with that lens. I could have used the 30/1.4 for some of the images or even the 11-22 but I wanted the flexibility of a good quality zoom lens for the fast action which sadly I did not have with the kit lens.

I also had to look out for focus acquisition in darker conditions

Other than that, the 30/1.4 was probably the most used lens throughout the day followed by the 56/1.4 and the 11-22.

that would be my guess what got used most

for me at events it is my 32 f1.4 then my 100L

The 55-200 never came out of the bag on this occasion although I love that lens. Here are a few images that I quickly grabbed as I am still editing bridal preparation.

nice shots as always!

congrats again!

for me I've retired and drink wine in one hand instead and take some small camera shots with the other hand

I’m grumpy about all the vendors, including Canon.

Z30? AF, native crop glass
M6 II? Shutter shock, discontinued mount
R10? Native crop glass
X-T30? AF, large expensive lenses
A6xx? Colors, handling, quirks
G1X III? AF, no 4K
G5X II? 1” output, AF
4/3? Equivalence

X100V? This is how it’s out of stock everywhere. May be fixed lens, and the AF doesn’t match Canon/Sony, and it’s pricey, but perhaps it warrants it.

Canon just can fix my grumpiness, but hasn’t yet.

RLight wrote:

I’m grumpy about all the vendors, including Canon.

Z30? AF, native crop glass
M6 II? Shutter shock, discontinued mount
R10? Native crop glass
X-T30? AF, large expensive lenses
A6xx? Colors, handling, quirks
G1X III? AF, no 4K
G5X II? 1” output, AF
4/3? Equivalence

X100V? This is how it’s out of stock everywhere. May be fixed lens, and the AF doesn’t match Canon/Sony, and it’s pricey, but perhaps it warrants it.

Canon just can fix my grumpiness, but hasn’t yet.

After buying several lenses from Canon USA during the big sale I now think the Canon USA store does not test refurbished lenses.

I am not so sure they have enough workers to keep up with the testing or repair of lenses ?

They just sell them or swap them out ?

m100 wrote:

RLight wrote:

I’m grumpy about all the vendors, including Canon.

Z30? AF, native crop glass
M6 II? Shutter shock, discontinued mount
R10? Native crop glass
X-T30? AF, large expensive lenses
A6xx? Colors, handling, quirks
G1X III? AF, no 4K
G5X II? 1” output, AF
4/3? Equivalence

X100V? This is how it’s out of stock everywhere. May be fixed lens, and the AF doesn’t match Canon/Sony, and it’s pricey, but perhaps it warrants it.

Canon just can fix my grumpiness, but hasn’t yet.

After buying several lenses from Canon USA during the big sale I now think the Canon USA store does not test refurbished lenses.

I am not so sure they have enough workers to keep up with the testing or repair of lenses ?

They just sell them or swap them out ?

or do some basic quick tests.

I have bought one from them, 24 IS

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m100 wrote:

RLight wrote:

I’m grumpy about all the vendors, including Canon.

Z30? AF, native crop glass
M6 II? Shutter shock, discontinued mount
R10? Native crop glass
X-T30? AF, large expensive lenses
A6xx? Colors, handling, quirks
G1X III? AF, no 4K
G5X II? 1” output, AF
4/3? Equivalence

X100V? This is how it’s out of stock everywhere. May be fixed lens, and the AF doesn’t match Canon/Sony, and it’s pricey, but perhaps it warrants it.

Canon just can fix my grumpiness, but hasn’t yet.

After buying several lenses from Canon USA during the big sale I now think the Canon USA store does not test refurbished lenses.

I am not so sure they have enough workers to keep up with the testing or repair of lenses ?

They just sell them or swap them out ?

My experience with "refurbished" products, is used by another name. Now the condition of that used items widely varies. Refurbished is merely the acknowledgment that these products passed some bar. The bar can be low to your point. I'm speaking generally, not of Canon, but, Canon appears to apply. I've seen server boards that work... If, you aren't fully populating RAM or PCIE risers, for example. They may work perfectly for say a customer who doesn't need 768GB of RAM, but for someone with say a fully Loaded "pizza box" (1U or 2U server blade) where all RAM slots and risers are populated, that "refurbished" board that passed Dell diagnostics, while minimally populated, will fail in the field. Same applied here where if you can overlook decentered glass, or maybe nothing at all depending, sure.

RLight wrote:

m100 wrote:

RLight wrote:

I’m grumpy about all the vendors, including Canon.

Z30? AF, native crop glass
M6 II? Shutter shock, discontinued mount
R10? Native crop glass
X-T30? AF, large expensive lenses
A6xx? Colors, handling, quirks
G1X III? AF, no 4K
G5X II? 1” output, AF
4/3? Equivalence

X100V? This is how it’s out of stock everywhere. May be fixed lens, and the AF doesn’t match Canon/Sony, and it’s pricey, but perhaps it warrants it.

Canon just can fix my grumpiness, but hasn’t yet.

After buying several lenses from Canon USA during the big sale I now think the Canon USA store does not test refurbished lenses.

I am not so sure they have enough workers to keep up with the testing or repair of lenses ?

They just sell them or swap them out ?

My experience with "refurbished" products, is used by another name. Now the condition of that used items widely varies. Refurbished is merely the acknowledgment that these products passed some bar. The bar can be low to your point. I'm speaking generally, not of Canon, but, Canon appears to apply. I've seen server boards that work... If, you aren't fully populating RAM or PCIE risers, for example. They may work perfectly for say a customer who doesn't need 768GB of RAM, but for someone with say a fully Loaded "pizza box" (1U or 2U server blade) where all RAM slots and risers are populated, that "refurbished" board that passed Dell diagnostics, while minimally populated, will fail in the field. Same applied here where if you can overlook decentered glass, or maybe nothing at all depending, sure.

The new computers would go into a temp controlled room. Some would fail hot. Some would fail cold. Some would fail when cycled hot and cold.

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Alexis wrote:

Thanks for the vote of confidence R2 and MAC.

I was generally happy with the results but the bulk of the images are of the party/dancing at the end which I took with the kit lens (15-45) around the 20-30mm range which was not great with that lens. I could have used the 30/1.4 for some of the images or even the 11-22 but I wanted the flexibility of a good quality zoom lens for the fast action which sadly I did not have with the kit lens.

Other than that, the 30/1.4 was probably the most used lens throughout the day followed by the 56/1.4 and the 11-22. The 55-200 never came out of the bag on this occasion although I love that lens. Here are a few images that I quickly grabbed as I am still editing bridal preparation.

Oh yes, pro stuff for sure!  Lovely details.

Great job!

R2