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Action shots - Faster lens options (EF preferred) and camera software settings

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EscVelocity Junior Member • Posts: 29
Action shots - Faster lens options (EF preferred) and camera software settings

Hi everyone! I want to learn if there are any good options to get some faster action shots. I'm looking to be able to get pictures at school events (elementary kids move fast!) and possibly pictures of pets and animals. I have the M50, and with a lot of the doom and gloom about whether the M series is still in active development I would probably lean toward picking up EF lenses (plus I know there's a dearth of fast EF-M lenses).

I already have the following:

  • EF-M 18-55
  • EF-M 22
  • EF 55-250
  • EF 40
  • EF 50
  • EF-M 55 full manual (7 Artisans)

I'm wondering if there is a fast lens worth looking at. If a prime, I'd be interested in recommendations both for a wide angle and for something with some reach, though I'd probably prioritize the later. I don't currently own a speed booster, but I am also considering that as an option (possibly in conjunction with a faster lens).

I'm also wondering if there are any camera settings I should be focused on. I noticed when looking through old threads that spot AF is supposed to be faster than the alternative; I'm going to have to check to see which one I've been using!

Thanks!

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MAC Forum Pro • Posts: 18,487
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EscVelocity wrote:

Hi everyone! I want to learn if there are any good options to get some faster action shots. I'm looking to be able to get pictures at school events (elementary kids move fast!) and possibly pictures of pets and animals. I have the M50, and with a lot of the doom and gloom about whether the M series is still in active development I would probably lean toward picking up EF lenses (plus I know there's a dearth of fast EF-M lenses).

I already have the following:

  • EF-M 18-55
  • EF-M 22
  • EF 55-250
  • EF 40
  • EF 50
  • EF-M 55 full manual (7 Artisans)

I'm wondering if there is a fast lens worth looking at. If a prime, I'd be interested in recommendations both for a wide angle and for something with some reach, though I'd probably prioritize the later. I don't currently own a speed booster, but I am also considering that as an option (possibly in conjunction with a faster lens).

I'm also wondering if there are any camera settings I should be focused on. I noticed when looking through old threads that spot AF is supposed to be faster than the alternative; I'm going to have to check to see which one I've been using!

Thanks!

these are the apsc action lenses:

Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 and 50-100mm f/1.8 DC HSM Art Lenses Kit for (bhphotovideo.com)

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OP EscVelocity Junior Member • Posts: 29
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Thanks for that. Honestly, though, that’s probably more than I’ll be spending in the near future. Anything anywhere between that and where I am? Or is it pretty much all or nothing situation?

MAC Forum Pro • Posts: 18,487
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EscVelocity wrote:

Thanks for that. Honestly, though, that’s probably more than I’ll be spending in the near future. Anything anywhere between that and where I am? Or is it pretty much all or nothing situation?

understood

unfortunately, many of the holiday deals are past

the EF 85 F1.8 is a fast sports lens to read about and consider for your application if you are considering leaving m  - though I'd be looking at used in the 300 -400 range

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM 85mm Lens 2519A003 B&H Photo (bhphotovideo.com)

my favorite lens is the 32 f1.4

Canon EF-M 32mm f/1.4 STM Lens 2439C002 B&H Photo Video (bhphotovideo.com)

consider the 16 and the 56

Sigma 16mm f/1.4 DC DN Contemporary Lens for Canon EF-M 402971 (bhphotovideo.com)

Sigma 56mm f/1.4 DC DN Contemporary Lens for Canon EF-M 351971 (bhphotovideo.com)

the trinity is something to consider

Sigma 16mm, 30mm, and 56mm f/1.4 DC DN Contemporary Lenses Kit (bhphotovideo.com)

or if you can swing a 70-200 f2.8 which has been my money lens for the last 15 years

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nnowak Veteran Member • Posts: 9,074
Re: Action shots - Faster lens options (EF preferred) and camera software settings

EscVelocity wrote:

Hi everyone! I want to learn if there are any good options to get some faster action shots. I'm looking to be able to get pictures at school events (elementary kids move fast!) and possibly pictures of pets and animals. I have the M50, and with a lot of the doom and gloom about whether the M series is still in active development I would probably lean toward picking up EF lenses (plus I know there's a dearth of fast EF-M lenses).

What kind of "events"?  Plays, concerts, indoor sports outdoor sports?

What sort of "pets and animals" photos?  Action shots, posed shots, birds in flight, or large mammals at the zoo?

There are a lot of lens options and what will work best really depends on what you are trying to accomplish. The right answer could be anything from a 16mm f/1.4 prime to a 150-600mm zoom.

I already have the following:

  • EF-M 18-55
  • EF-M 22
  • EF 55-250
  • EF 40
  • EF 50
  • EF-M 55 full manual (7 Artisans)

I'm wondering if there is a fast lens worth looking at. If a prime, I'd be interested in recommendations both for a wide angle and for something with some reach, though I'd probably prioritize the later. I don't currently own a speed booster, but I am also considering that as an option (possibly in conjunction with a faster lens).

For multiple reasons, a speedbooster is probably a bad idea

I'm also wondering if there are any camera settings I should be focused on. I noticed when looking through old threads that spot AF is supposed to be faster than the alternative; I'm going to have to check to see which one I've been using!

Single point AF will probably work the best, but again, it will depend on the details of what you are shooting.

xtam667 Regular Member • Posts: 307
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Consider the good old EF 85mm f1.8 USM. It has very fast AF and nice image quality. I have no personal experience but the EF 100mm f2 USM should be very similar.

Another exceedingly fast focusing lens is the EF 70-300 f4.5-5.6 DO IS USM.  In this respect it is on par with the expensive white telephoto lenses. It is well built, and very compact for such a zoom. However, it is a bit soft towards the long end and the diffractive optics has its quirks.  I liked it a lot for action photography when size and weight mattered.

Both are reasonably priced on the used market.

OP EscVelocity Junior Member • Posts: 29
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It looks like I can get the 85mm (which seems right around what I was looking for) used in good condition for US$270-280 from Amazon Japan (I'm in Taiwan and uses Canon lenses from there have been a great balance of reliable and well priced in the past). Actually, that's a big part of why I have the 40mm and 50mm; both of those and the 55-200 were great deals used from Amazon Japan.

I have to admit, I'm also tempted to try out the Meike that runs US$180 on Amazon US. The reviews seem surprisingly good, and I've had unexpectedly good experience with off-brand lenses from newer Chinese companies in the past. That 7 Artisans 55mm lens has been my most fun and has seen the neatest stuff I've managed to do with my camera, despite being full manual. But I think I will probably hold off until I'm ready to pay for the Canon, since I'm feeling pretty confident the Canon is going to better serve my chief objectives here.

I've always wanted the EF-M 32mm, because I have heard such good things, but it's quite expensive and I've never found any real deal on it. At this point I'd be hesitant to spend that much on an EF-M lens, as I'm scared of a future forced move to an R series camera if they drop the M series. I'm definitely price sensitive when it comes to lenses, with nothing I currently own over $300 except the EF-M 18-150mm that my wife uses. Under $200 it's pretty easy to justify a grab. Over $200 it's more of a think and make sure this is something I really want to pick up. And over $400 is just hard for me to justify.

The more I think about it, the more sure I am that the range that's a priority here is definitely >55mm, and 85mm is probably a good fit.

Thanks for the help!

OP EscVelocity Junior Member • Posts: 29
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Fair points, but the ambiguity was intentional, since the answers vary. For school events, sometimes it's sports day, sometimes it's elementary kids zipping about and participating in a cool project or activity, and if something also is a good fit to take pictures at a school play or concert that's a nice bonus.

Pets probably aren't a huge issue here, and animals are whatever I happen to see when hiking. I probably should have better emphasized that budget is a key consideration, but I really wanted a wide range of thoughts so I could do some research from there.

I would love to hear you expand on why a speed booster is a bad idea, as I've mostly read good things about the Viltrox, but I don't know much about speed boosters.

I'm definitely going to have to read up and learn more about the merits of different AF modes.

OP EscVelocity Junior Member • Posts: 29
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Thanks for the thoughts! The EF 85mm f1.8 USM was recommended by someone else, and at the price I can get it for used from Japan (cheap shipping from there to here in Taiwan) it is my leading candidate, though it is expensive enough still that I'm going to think on it a bit. I do wonder if I should be worried about the lack of IS at 85mm (something discussed in a few reviews I've seen), but it's my leader.

Searching for EF 100mm f2 USM on BH and Amazon US, IU only found an f2.8 with IS labelled as a Macro lens at a much higher price. However on Amazon Japan I did find the EF 100mm f2 USM. It runs negligibly more expensive, but the reviews of the 85mm seem stronger on the whole.

I don't know anything about diffractive optics, but the price difference between new and used on the EF 70-300 f4.5-5.6 DO IS USM is blowing my mind. It lists at well over US$1,000 but is available used and described as "Very Good" in both the US and Japan for around US$275, and if I'm willing to take a risk on a "Good" description I can get that thing for US$217 from Japan. This is really tempting, but I'm having a hard time understanding how something at f4.5 would be fast, though.

thunder storm Forum Pro • Posts: 10,139
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EscVelocity wrote:

Thanks for that. Honestly, though, that’s probably more than I’ll be spending in the near future.

These lenses are worth it. Great IQ, fast AF. Used copies are pretty affordable in my market. Once you'll upgrade to the R10 or R7 you can use the same lenses.

Anything anywhere between that and where I am? Or is it pretty much all or nothing situation?

Paying more gives better value for money in this case. The 50-100mm f/1.8 has way better IQ than the EF 85mm f/1.8 USM.   85mm on crop is too long in a lot of cases. It's great to have 100mm available while being able to go wider to 50mm immediately (it gives also way better IQ than the EF 50mm f/1.8 stm by the way).

The 18-35mm is the more flexible focal range imo, but if you prefer a bit telephoto the 50-100mm f/1.8 Art is the one to get. You'll be amazed what kind of IQ you can squeeze out of that M50.

Another lens you could consider is the 50mm f/1.4 Art prime lens. That's a great upgrade from your EF 50mm f/1.8 stm. It doesn't zoom, but it weights less than the 50-100mm f/1.8.

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MAC Forum Pro • Posts: 18,487
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EscVelocity wrote:

It looks like I can get the 85mm (which seems right around what I was looking for) used in good condition for US$270-280 from Amazon Japan (I'm in Taiwan and uses Canon lenses from there have been a great balance of reliable and well priced in the past). Actually, that's a big part of why I have the 40mm and 50mm; both of those and the 55-200 were great deals used from Amazon Japan.

if budget is this restricted, that is a good price

the lens has a fast usm for sports

in backlit situations there can be significant purple fringing, that software corrections would be needed

no IS, which for action isn't as big a consideration, but in any case you'll need to keep your shutter speed high enough to avoid handshake and stop motion

I have to admit, I'm also tempted to try out the Meike that runs US$180 on Amazon US.

I wouldn't go there

The reviews seem surprisingly good, and I've had unexpectedly good experience with off-brand lenses from newer Chinese companies in the past. That 7 Artisans 55mm lens has been my most fun and has seen the neatest stuff I've managed to do with my camera, despite being full manual.

speed of AF is important for action

But I think I will probably hold off until I'm ready to pay for the Canon, since I'm feeling pretty confident the Canon is going to better serve my chief objectives here.

for the price for now, sounds right

in long run if there is money, what thunderstorm is saying is the way to go

I've always wanted the EF-M 32mm, because I have heard such good things, but it's quite expensive and I've never found any real deal on it.

$399 is a steal for what this lens is, but there is also the less expensive siggy 30 f1.4

At this point I'd be hesitant to spend that much on an EF-M lens, as I'm scared of a future forced move to an R series camera if they drop the M series.

in the case of the 32 f1.4, they will likely never make a great RF-s lens like this - it was too good - and they don't want to compete with their FF L

I'm definitely price sensitive when it comes to lenses, with nothing I currently own over $300 except the EF-M 18-150mm that my wife uses. Under $200 it's pretty easy to justify a grab. Over $200 it's more of a think and make sure this is something I really want to pick up. And over $400 is just hard for me to justify.

in short run, as you buy single pieces, I hear what you are saying

in long run, wait for the right system that meets your needs - and as long as you are happy with the photos you are taking, don't spill money on stuff that doesn't make your photos better

in my case, the combination of m6II + 32 f1.4, + 11-22 + 100L + dxo PL5 has made my photos better and has been a joy to use - not looking to change this anytime soon

The more I think about it, the more sure I am that the range that's a priority here is definitely >55mm, and 85mm is probably a good fit.

then the price and utility seems right, go for it

Thanks for the help!

you are welcome!

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nnowak Veteran Member • Posts: 9,074
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EscVelocity wrote:

Thanks for the thoughts! The EF 85mm f1.8 USM was recommended by someone else, and at the price I can get it for used from Japan (cheap shipping from there to here in Taiwan) it is my leading candidate, though it is expensive enough still that I'm going to think on it a bit. I do wonder if I should be worried about the lack of IS at 85mm (something discussed in a few reviews I've seen), but it's my leader.

Searching for EF 100mm f2 USM on BH and Amazon US, IU only found an f2.8 with IS labelled as a Macro lens at a much higher price. However on Amazon Japan I did find the EF 100mm f2 USM. It runs negligibly more expensive, but the reviews of the 85mm seem stronger on the whole.

The 100mm f/2.0 is optically a slighter better lens than the 85mm f/1.8.  However, 85mm was a more popular focal length than 100mm.  You are seeing more positive reviews of the 85mm because there are just far more owners of the 85mm

I don't know anything about diffractive optics, but the price difference between new and used on the EF 70-300 f4.5-5.6 DO IS USM is blowing my mind. It lists at well over US$1,000 but is available used and described as "Very Good" in both the US and Japan for around US$275, and if I'm willing to take a risk on a "Good" description I can get that thing for US$217 from Japan. This is really tempting, but I'm having a hard time understanding how something at f4.5 would be fast, though.

I would highly recommend that you NOT purchase the 70-300mm DO.  Of all of Canon's 70-300mm lenses, it has the worst image quality of the bunch.  While it collapses down smaller than the other 70-300mm lenses, it is heavier than all of them except the 70-300mm "L".  If your 55-250mm lens listed in your original post is the "STM" version, that is already a much better lens than the 70-300mm DO in all regards.  If you don't have the "STM" version of the 55-250mm, get it.

nnowak Veteran Member • Posts: 9,074
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EscVelocity wrote:

Fair points, but the ambiguity was intentional, since the answers vary.

Ambiguity will lead to a lot of bad answers. You are just going to get a list of every relatively decent lens that is liked by that particular individual, whether it fits your needs or not.

For school events, sometimes it's sports day, sometimes it's elementary kids zipping about and participating in a cool project or activity, and if something also is a good fit to take pictures at a school play or concert that's a nice bonus.

If you are in a classroom close to the kids, the EF-M 11-22mm or EF-S 10-18mm would be a good option. Either of these lenses could potentially also work for a play or concert depending on your seating position and if you are trying to capture the entire show and not just single kids.

Recommending a lens for sports is going to require a lot more information. Are you indoors or outdoors? Are you trying to capture an action shot of a single child, or more overall photos of the entire game (sort of like how a game is covered on television). For outdoor field sports, such as soccer, your 55-250mm would be the minimum, but something like the EF 100-400mm L would likely be better. The 85mm f/1.8 that some are suggesting would be pretty lousy in this setting.

Indoor sports will depend a lot on which sport, where you are positioned relative to the action, and what type of image you are trying to capture. If you are up in the stands trying to follow a single kid on a basketball court, a 70-200mm f/2.8 will be one of the better options. If you are much closer to the action, and/or are OK with looser framing, a wider, brighter prime can work well. The problem here, is that EF primes wider than 50mm and at least f/1.8 are relatively big, heavy, and expensive. Any bright prime wider than 50mm will be best served with a native EF-M mount lens like the Canon 32mm or Sigma 30mm.

Pets probably aren't a huge issue here, and animals are whatever I happen to see when hiking. I probably should have better emphasized that budget is a key consideration, but I really wanted a wide range of thoughts so I could do some research from there.

If your budget is tight, then it is even more important to clearly define your needs to ensure you are not wasting money of something you don't need.  It is quite possible you already own the "right" lens.

I would love to hear you expand on why a speed booster is a bad idea, as I've mostly read good things about the Viltrox, but I don't know much about speed boosters.

I was converting Sony mount Metabones Speedboosters to Canon EF-M mount years before Metabones launched their version. My comments below are from personal experience with the Matabones Speedbosoters, which are optically superior to the Viltrox version.

Metabones launched the first speedbooster years ago, primarily for video use, before full frame mirrorless cameras existed and before most crop systems had a relatively full lens set. Full frame DSLRs that were video capable were at least 3X the cost of current full frame mirrorless cameras. If you were an early adopter of video with mirrorless cameras, a speedbooster was your only option for wide or bright lenses on a crop camera.

The big problem, though, is the lenses you would most want to speedboost also tend to have the worst results on a speedbooster. Wide and/or bright lenses tend to have the most issues on a speedbooster. The telephoto lenses that will work well on a speedbooster are the last lenses you would want to be wider.  The EF 200mm f/2.8 will work well on a speed booster, but you end up with a 142mm f/2.0 that is bigger, heavier, and performs worse than the 135mm f/2.0 L. The 17-40mm f/4.0 L would give you a 12-28mm f/2.8, but it is an optical mess on a speedbooster. The 50mm f/1.8 is roughly the threshold for speedboosting. Even the EF 50mm f/1.4 looks pretty lousy on a speedbooster.  A speedboosted lens on a crop camera will always produce worse image quality than the bare lens on a full frame camera.

For video use, some of the issues with speedboosters are not issues. The 16:9 apsect ratio for video crops off a lot of the mess that can happen in the corners of the frame. Lens sharpness is also less critical when you are capturing 2MP 1080P video versus 24MP still images. The other factor is that modern mirrorless specific lenses are almost always significantly better optically than any older DSLR specific designs. A lot of those older DSLR lenses had soft corners and aberrations that get magnified by the speedbooster.

The size, weight, and cost of a speedbooster is not insignificant, and there are a lot of downsides to their use. With the current state of mirrorless systems, if you think you need to use a speedbooster, you are probably using the wrong system.  Used full frame cameras are plentiful and cheap, and most mirrorless lens sets have almost anything you would need.  At this point, I would call speedboosters a "curiosity" for experimental use only.

I'm definitely going to have to read up and learn more about the merits of different AF modes.

More important than any specific AF settings is you, the photographer. Action photography takes a lot of practice, and there is no magic AF setting that will shortcut that need for practice. One of the hardest parts of action photography is keeping your subject framed in the viewfinder. Tracking AF is worthless if your panning is subpar and your subject is no longer in the viewfinder. Intimate knowledge of the sport will help you anticipate when and where action will take place. Visualize your desired images and put yourself in the right position with right lens to capture those images.

OP EscVelocity Junior Member • Posts: 29
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Your thoughts in the 70-300mm DO seem to echo a lot of the rather weak reviews I've seen. And I have been very happy with my 55-250, which is the STM version. In fact my only complaint about it would be that I wish it could bring in more light, because I can definitely remember times I've swapped off of it because I needed something that opens wider even when I would have preferred to have been able to zoom in closer to 55 (in these cases I've most often swapped to my 55mm full manual which is hard to get shots with but has really nice low-light performance).

For the 85mm vs the 100mm, it is less about how many positive reviews I've seen, and more about the portion that are negative. The user reviews on the 85mm seem to skew uniformly positive, while the 100mm seem to have more negatives.

But you've got me thinking that I should use my 55-250 to specifically do some shooting in the 85mm and 100mm range to see what makes sense for the situations I would use the lens in.

OP EscVelocity Junior Member • Posts: 29
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Thanks for the thoughtful reply! There's a lot to draw on here and I really appreciate it.

One follow-up question for now; while the speed booster sounds like a pass, do you have thoughts on the speed booster specifically with the 55-250 lens? That's the one lens that I have had times I wanted to use, but the environment was just too dim.

OP EscVelocity Junior Member • Posts: 29
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I totally understand that you get what you pay for. But realistically, I'm not currently using my camera enough to justify that price for a lens no matter how high quality it is. Still, they are lenses I will keep in mind, and I will look into that 50mm Art prime. Is that a Sigma as well?

Thanks!

xtam667 Regular Member • Posts: 307
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I don't know anything about diffractive optics, but the price difference between new and used on the EF 70-300 f4.5-5.6 DO IS USM is blowing my mind. It lists at well over US$1,000 but is available used and described as "Very Good" in both the US and Japan for around US$275, and if I'm willing to take a risk on a "Good" description I can get that thing for US$217 from Japan. This is really tempting, but I'm having a hard time understanding how something at f4.5 would be fast, though.

Fast as in fast focusing, sorry for the ambiguity.

xtam667 Regular Member • Posts: 307
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I would highly recommend that you NOT purchase the 70-300mm DO. Of all of Canon's 70-300mm lenses, it has the worst image quality of the bunch. While it collapses down smaller than the other 70-300mm lenses, it is heavier than all of them except the 70-300mm "L". If your 55-250mm lens listed in your original post is the "STM" version, that is already a much better lens than the 70-300mm DO in all regards. If you don't have the "STM" version of the 55-250mm, get it.

The DO's reputation is undeservedly bad in my view. The only real drawback is that is not that sharp above 200mm.  But it focuses very fast so you can get reasonably sharp pictures in situations where all other consumer 70-300 zooms would fail. Up to around 150mm it really is good. Mine was close to the 70-200mm f4 IS L in that range.

On the other hand, the 55-250 STM is a better match to a small APS-C camera because it is much smaller and lighter and it is indeed sharper at the long end. But with its slow STM motor it is not what I would use for fast action.

MAC Forum Pro • Posts: 18,487
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EscVelocity wrote:

Your thoughts in the 70-300mm DO seem to echo a lot of the rather weak reviews I've seen.

correct, don't go there

And I have been very happy with my 55-250, which is the STM version.

I have this lens and like it for stills, perched, pedestrian motion, but it is not a sports lens

In fact my only complaint about it would be that I wish it could bring in more light, because I can definitely remember times I've swapped off of it because I needed something that opens wider even when I would have preferred to have been able to zoom in closer to 55 (in these cases I've most often swapped to my 55mm full manual which is hard to get shots with but has really nice low-light performance).

shooting raw and using dxo PL6 with class leading noise redux can give you an extra 1 to 2 stops

For the 85mm vs the 100mm, it is less about how many positive reviews I've seen, and more about the portion that are negative. The user reviews on the 85mm seem to skew uniformly positive, while the 100mm seem to have more negatives.

But you've got me thinking that I should use my 55-250 to specifically do some shooting in the 85mm and 100mm range to see what makes sense for the situations I would use the lens in.

you can make it work to a certain degree with back button focus techniques - eg, focus lock on second base and capture the slide

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R2D2 Forum Pro • Posts: 26,528
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EscVelocity wrote:

The EF 85mm f1.8 USM was recommended by someone else, and at the price I can get it for used from Japan (cheap shipping from there to here in Taiwan) it is my leading candidate, though it is expensive enough still that I'm going to think on it a bit.

On your budget I’d just get the EF 85 f/1.8 and be done with it.  Best bang for the buck ($200-300 used), and it’ll get the job done.  I’ve shot sports both indoors and out with it for many many years.

It’s not the sharpest lens wide open, but you’d have to spend a LOT more to beat it.  It is amazing how versatile it is indoors and out, even on the ball field (I often feel that I can forego a 70-200, esp when I’m able to crop a bit).  Indoors for say basketball, you can position yourself at around the 3-point line (on the baseline).  Other indoor sports, no problem.  As mentioned already, autofocus is fast.

The EF 100 f/2 is its identical twin (literally).  It has a tad less CA (purple fringing) than the 85, however IME 100mm is a bit tight indoors for a lot of subjects.  Both lenses do exhibit a fair amount of veiling glare when pointed toward bright light sources, so shoot with the light behind you.

I do wonder if I should be worried about the lack of IS at 85mm (something discussed in a few reviews I've seen), but it's my leader.

For action, keep stabilization turned off (it’ll fight you).  Use Spot Autofocus.  Follow the subject precisely (do your own tracking).

Searching for EF 100mm f2 USM on BH and Amazon US, IU only found an f2.8 with IS labelled as a Macro lens at a much higher price. However on Amazon Japan I did find the EF 100mm f2 USM. It runs negligibly more expensive, but the reviews of the 85mm seem stronger on the whole.

They were designed together.  They perform identically.  Focal length is the determiner.

I don't know anything about diffractive optics, but the price difference between new and used on the EF 70-300 f4.5-5.6 DO IS USM is blowing my mind. It lists at well over US$1,000 but is available used and described as "Very Good" in both the US and Japan for around US$275, and if I'm willing to take a risk on a "Good" description I can get that thing for US$217 from Japan. This is really tempting, but I'm having a hard time understanding how something at f4.5 would be fast, though.

Outdoors, see how your EF-S 55-250 does for you first.  The M50 may drive it pretty well.

I too would recommend DxO Photolab 6 (shooting RAW).  It’s an absolute game changer, esp for action shooting.  Holler if you have questions!

Best of luck!

R2

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