The decision is about to be made, so speak now or forever hold your peace

Tommy S wrote:

I was looking for a second body to complement my R6 to stop juggling the lenses. I analyzed all Pros & Cons of entering the new MFT system. I think I did my homework well enough and I am not wrong to buy OM-1 with 12-40 and 40-150 F2.8 Pro lenses.

My reasoning to buy such a combo:

R6II just can't hold up in this competition.

• Electronic shutter with no apparent rolling shutter
• 10 to 50 FPS
• Form factor OM-1 / 12-40 for street photography vs R6 / RF24-105F4
• PreCapture w/o RS
• Probably better weather sealing (I have never tried shooting in the rain or snow)
• Better F-speed for 200-300mm of FL equivalent (40-150 F2.8 vs EF 70-200 F2.8)

I am going to keep R6 with EF 24-70 F2.8 for short distances and shallower DoF, I think 2 such different systems will complement each other much better than another body of Canon R system. I will also return to taking the camera with me on vacation. MFT knocks out FF in this area.

I am open to your comment even if you think I suffer from GAS

That's the beauty of manual focus lenses. Pick what ever body you want. In my case m4/3 and Sony.

Very easy, no lists needed, just need a shutter button and any box will do basically.

Danny.

You want to go actually small, pick up an E-P7 with a small Panasonic prime or the 20mm 1.4. or an OM5

I think you'll find the form factor won't help too much.

Funkmon wrote:

You want to go actually small, pick up an E-P7 with a small Panasonic prime or the 20mm 1.4. or an OM5

I think you'll find the form factor won't help too much.

I need to have reliable CAF for action, thus I stick to OM-1. Body is the same as A9, but lenses are smaller than FF. I do not need 12-40F2.8 as I have R6 with 24-70 F2.8 already, but for carrying it around with me is much better combo than FF and 24-100F4

Satyaa wrote:

Tommy S wrote:

I was looking for a second body to complement my R6 to stop juggling the lenses. I analyzed all Pros & Cons of entering the new MFT system. I think I did my homework well enough and I am not wrong to buy OM-1 with 12-40 and 40-150 F2.8 Pro lenses.

• Better F-speed for 200-300mm of FL equivalent (40-150 F2.8 vs EF 70-200 F2.8)

I do not understand that point. Wouldn't 150mm on m43 give you close to the same FOV as 200mm on APSC (R7)? What do you mean by F-speed?

What FF Canon R zoom lenses go longer than 200mm keeping F Stop at 2.8? None. Zuiko 40-150 (80-300 FF eqv) maintain F-speed at 2.8, not F4, F5.6 or more. OFC R7 plus heavy 70-200F2.8 is 112-320 with still F-stop of 2.8 (do not mean DoF). But I do not like what R7 brought to the table.

I am going to keep R6 with EF 24-70 F2.8 for short distances and shallower DoF, I think 2 such different systems will complement each other much better than another body of Canon R system. I will also return to taking the camera with me on vacation. MFT knocks out FF in this area.

APSC ML bodies are not much bigger. Among FF 70-200/2.8 zooms, the RF version is the the lightest.

If I was in this situation with an R6 and wanting a second body, I would probably go with R7. You mention some disappointments in another reply above. I am not sure what that is.

Noisy shutter sound, not very usable electronic shutter for my sports needs, change ergo vs R6 (buttons). For the same amount of money OM-1 blows R7 out of the water (regarding my exuberant needs). I could buy R6II and pretty light RF 70-200F4, however it would not be carried for vacation.

I am open to your comment even if you think I suffer from GAS

The other thing I want you to consider is the high ISO performance. I often shoot up to 6400 on D7200 with 70-200/2.8. I am doing that with 40-150/2.8 on GH5M2 and I am not 100% convinced that IQ is comparable at higher ISO. I get the same f/2.8 exposure (with more DOF), the same 300mm FF FOV with lighter gear, but not the same ISO 6400 IQ. Coming from FF, you will probably see even more difference.

I am not afraid of high ISO. I just like to have Wrangler and Mustang in my garage. Actually, I am lucky enough to have both

Amazing how many folks know what you like, and they know it so much better than you yourself do.

I prefer two identical bodies for the simple reason that they serve as backup for each other. Yet, I used a Nikon D850 and a Nikon Z7ii in parallel for quite some time, then the Z7ii with a Canon R5, then the R5 with one OM-1. None of that bothered me.

Your rationale strikes me as sound, but I'll observe that judging by your various response posts, you made up your mind already but don't want to admit it just yet. Lots of folks put together a decision matrix like your Excel worksheet, only to "justify" what their gut already decided.

Nothing wrong with that, though.

lokatz wrote:

Amazing how many folks know what you like, and they know it so much better than you yourself do.

I prefer two identical bodies for the simple reason that they serve as backup for each other. Yet, I used a Nikon D850 and a Nikon Z7ii in parallel for quite some time, then the Z7ii with a Canon R5, then the R5 with one OM-1. None of that bothered me.

Your rationale strikes me as sound, but I'll observe that judging by your various response posts, you made up your mind already but don't want to admit it just yet. Lots of folks put together a decision matrix like your Excel worksheet, only to "justify" what their gut already decided.

Nothing wrong with that, though.

I trust my gut feelings but Excel helps me kill irrational decisions.

Moreover, I don't rule out swapping the R6 for a second OM-1 in the future.

Phocal wrote:

Tommy S wrote:

I was looking for a second body to complement my R6 to stop juggling the lenses. I analyzed all Pros & Cons of entering the new MFT system. I think I did my homework well enough and I am not wrong to buy OM-1 with 12-40 and 40-150 F2.8 Pro lenses.

My reasoning to buy such a combo:

R6II just can't hold up in this competition.

• Electronic shutter with no apparent rolling shutter
• 10 to 50 FPS
• Form factor OM-1 / 12-40 for street photography vs R6 / RF24-105F4
• PreCapture w/o RS
• Probably better weather sealing (I have never tried shooting in the rain or snow)
• Better F-speed for 200-300mm of FL equivalent (40-150 F2.8 vs EF 70-200 F2.8)

I am going to keep R6 with EF 24-70 F2.8 for short distances and shallower DoF, I think 2 such different systems will complement each other much better than another body of Canon R system. I will also return to taking the camera with me on vacation. MFT knocks out FF in this area.

I am open to your comment even if you think I suffer from GAS

Unfortunately you are buying into a system that will probably be gone in 2 years

And every M4/3 camera and lens will cease to function at one minute past midnight the next day.

Tommy S wrote:

Moreover, I don't rule out swapping the R6 for a second OM-1 in the future.

That's what I now use. 

Nigvo wrote:

I tried to get along with two systems, but I just found it a pain in the backside. Life is much easier if you just have one system.

If I do not like OM-1, its ergo, etc I will buy another R6II. Or the over way round - I will replace R6 with another OM-1. Time will tell.

Rolling shutter is still there with the OM-1.   Quite noticeable if panning with buildings in the background.  So don't be fooled.

Nonetheless I love my two OM-1s.

Mike

Tommy S wrote:

I was looking for a second body to complement my R6 to stop juggling the lenses. I analyzed all Pros & Cons of entering the new MFT system. I think I did my homework well enough and I am not wrong to buy OM-1 with 12-40 and 40-150 F2.8 Pro lenses.

My reasoning to buy such a combo:

R6II just can't hold up in this competition.

• Electronic shutter with no apparent rolling shutter
• 10 to 50 FPS
• Form factor OM-1 / 12-40 for street photography vs R6 / RF24-105F4
• PreCapture w/o RS
• Probably better weather sealing (I have never tried shooting in the rain or snow)
• Better F-speed for 200-300mm of FL equivalent (40-150 F2.8 vs EF 70-200 F2.8)

I am going to keep R6 with EF 24-70 F2.8 for short distances and shallower DoF, I think 2 such different systems will complement each other much better than another body of Canon R system. I will also return to taking the camera with me on vacation. MFT knocks out FF in this area.

I am open to your comment even if you think I suffer from GAS

I think your comment on weather sealing definitely goes to OM-1; but you have left out one of the greatest advantages of Olympus/OMD gear, industry tops IBIS. The only real need for a tripod in this family of gear is for low light macro focus stacking or bracketing or for long duration astro images.

You also leave out the wide diversity of exceptional lenses, and the compositional things one can do like In Camera Focus Stacking, Live Composite, Handheld HR and Live ND.

Gary from Seattle wrote:

I think your comment on weather sealing definitely goes to OM-1; but you have left out one of the greatest advantages of Olympus/OMD gear, industry tops IBIS. The only real need for a tripod in this family of gear is for low light macro focus stacking or bracketing or for long duration astro images.

Canon R6II:

• Built-in image stabilization rated to 8.0 stops
  

the era of Olympus|OMDS  wearing  the IBIS crown has ended

Peter

the decision is yours and you define what you want or need, no one else can guide you (although many will offer opinions  )

Gary from Seattle wrote:

I think your comment on weather sealing definitely goes to OM-1; but you have left out one of the greatest advantages of Olympus/OMD gear, industry tops IBIS. The only real need for a tripod in this family of gear is for low light macro focus stacking or bracketing or for long duration astro images.

You also leave out the wide diversity of exceptional lenses, and the compositional things one can do like In Camera Focus Stacking, Live Composite, Handheld HR and Live ND.

I am not sure if IBIS kicks in when I use SS higher than 1/1000? Maybe. Is Sony there was some dependence between SS and IBIS (or maybe I am mistaken).

Live ND will solve some of my earlier problems for sure.

Both points are not so crucial to decide one body over the other one.

mikero wrote:

Rolling shutter is still there with the OM-1. Quite noticeable if panning with buildings in the background. So don't be fooled.

Nonetheless I love my two OM-1s.

Mike

Sony A9 also tends to suffer from RS at times. Nonetheless, OM-1 has one of the fastest readout speeds on the market, so I think it will be manageable. I used electronic shutter in R6 a couple of times, and was able to correct it in PP, without any detrimental aftereffects.

Numbers offered on a spec sheet and real world use don't always align.

Tommy S wrote:

Gary from Seattle wrote:

I think your comment on weather sealing definitely goes to OM-1; but you have left out one of the greatest advantages of Olympus/OMD gear, industry tops IBIS. The only real need for a tripod in this family of gear is for low light macro focus stacking or bracketing or for long duration astro images.

You also leave out the wide diversity of exceptional lenses, and the compositional things one can do like In Camera Focus Stacking, Live Composite, Handheld HR and Live ND.

I am not sure if IBIS kicks in when I use SS higher than 1/1000? Maybe. Is Sony there was some dependence between SS and IBIS (or maybe I am mistaken).

Live ND will solve some of my earlier problems for sure.

Both points are not so crucial to decide one body over the other one.

Sony has an auto ISO setting that adjusts shutter speed for FL.  Goes from Slowest to Fastest.  Dual IS with a 100-400 GM on Slower is a bit less effective than IBIS on an OM1 with the 40-150/2.8 Pro at equivalent FL, ie 150mm vs 300mm.

Slowest is too slow for my handholding. With just IBIS on an A7Riv, Normal is a bit risky.  The A7Rv has much better specs.

Andrew

For good CAF in a small body, a Sony a6600 might suit you better than an OM-1 if the available lenses will do. You'd have to put up with the sensor blobs, inferior IBIS and a smaller EVF, of course.  I went the other way but haven't managed to get the OM-1 to quite match that "magic sticky CAF with tracking" thing at which the Sony excels.