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Tommy S
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The decision is about to be made, so speak now or forever hold your peace
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I was looking for a second body to complement my R6 to stop juggling the lenses. I analyzed all Pros & Cons of entering the new MFT system. I think I did my homework well enough and I am not wrong to buy OM-1 with 12-40 and 40-150 F2.8 Pro lenses.

My reasoning to buy such a combo:

R6II just can't hold up in this competition.

  • Electronic shutter with no apparent rolling shutter
  • 10 to 50 FPS
  • Form factor OM-1 / 12-40 for street photography vs R6 / RF24-105F4
  • PreCapture w/o RS
  • Probably better weather sealing (I have never tried shooting in the rain or snow)
  • Better F-speed for 200-300mm of FL equivalent (40-150 F2.8 vs EF 70-200 F2.8)

I am going to keep R6 with EF 24-70 F2.8 for short distances and shallower DoF, I think 2 such different systems will complement each other much better than another body of Canon R system. I will also return to taking the camera with me on vacation. MFT knocks out FF in this area.

I am open to your comment even if you think I suffer from GAS

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Phocal
Phocal Veteran Member • Posts: 3,528
Re: The decision is about to be made, so speak now or forever hold your peace
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Tommy S wrote:

I was looking for a second body to complement my R6 to stop juggling the lenses. I analyzed all Pros & Cons of entering the new MFT system. I think I did my homework well enough and I am not wrong to buy OM-1 with 12-40 and 40-150 F2.8 Pro lenses.

My reasoning to buy such a combo:

R6II just can't hold up in this competition.

  • Electronic shutter with no apparent rolling shutter
  • 10 to 50 FPS
  • Form factor OM-1 / 12-40 for street photography vs R6 / RF24-105F4
  • PreCapture w/o RS
  • Probably better weather sealing (I have never tried shooting in the rain or snow)
  • Better F-speed for 200-300mm of FL equivalent (40-150 F2.8 vs EF 70-200 F2.8)

I am going to keep R6 with EF 24-70 F2.8 for short distances and shallower DoF, I think 2 such different systems will complement each other much better than another body of Canon R system. I will also return to taking the camera with me on vacation. MFT knocks out FF in this area.

I am open to your comment even if you think I suffer from GAS

Unfortunately you are buying into a system that will probably be gone in 2 years

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JasonTheBirder
JasonTheBirder Senior Member • Posts: 3,967
Re: The decision is about to be made, so speak now or forever hold your peace
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Tommy S wrote:

I am open to your comment even if you think I suffer from GAS

Well, I understand your reasoning but I find it a pain to have two systems.

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ahaslett
ahaslett Forum Pro • Posts: 12,654
Re: The decision is about to be made, so speak now or forever hold your peace
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You missed excellent sensor cleaning, so you can change lenses in the field as long as you avoid pollen, salt spray etc.

My OM1 kit weighs 2.5kg for body and lenses without accessories. Removing the tripod ring from the 40-150/2.8 saves a bit of weight and makes it easier to handhold or carry on a neck strap.

Shoulder strap (to screw into tripod foot), 8mm Pro (or PL25/1.4), Laowa 10/2, OM1 with 12-40/2.8 mounted, 40-150/2.8, rain cover. FL-LM3 and MC14 to be added to left.

ProMaster Jasper Medium, with top opening, side pocket for accessories with cover, and clips underneath for monopod, plus loop for rolling case handle.

Can carry whole bag in small of back all day.

Andrew

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Skeeterbytes Forum Pro • Posts: 23,182
Re: The decision is about to be made, so speak now or forever hold your peace
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Do not know the other kit at all, but am very happy with the OM-1 and those particular zooms, which I've been using eight years. They make a great travel kit and when the need arises, there are myriad other lenses available. TBH I'm still learning the camera, given its many unique features.

Good luck!

Rick

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Tommy S
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Re: The decision is about to be made, so speak now or forever hold your peace
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Phocal wrote:

Unfortunately you are buying into a system that will probably be gone in 2 years

I agree to disagree. I must admit I never understood the idea of such a small sensor, with terrible FoV and such. The more I started reading about the more I realized that the form factor and F-stop vs focal length are the power of MFT. I used to have Sony APS-C for many years and it was not so apparent for me.

I doubt the company will disappear. Even if - there are loads of people enjoying vintage stuff. I may join them.

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bakubo Regular Member • Posts: 431
m4/3 always 2 years away from death
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Phocal wrote:

Unfortunately you are buying into a system that will probably be gone in 2 years

I have heard that said for the last 12 years.  m4/3 is always 2 years away from being dead.

Tommy S
OP Tommy S Contributing Member • Posts: 820
Re: The decision is about to be made, so speak now or forever hold your peace
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JasonTheBirder wrote:

Tommy S wrote:

I am open to your comment even if you think I suffer from GAS

Well, I understand your reasoning but I find it a pain to have two systems.

Why is that? Every juggling act is beneficial for brain fitness.

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ProDude Senior Member • Posts: 4,857
Re: The decision is about to be made, so speak now or forever hold your peace

Tommy S wrote:

I was looking for a second body to complement my R6 to stop juggling the lenses. I analyzed all Pros & Cons of entering the new MFT system. I think I did my homework well enough and I am not wrong to buy OM-1 with 12-40 and 40-150 F2.8 Pro lenses.

My reasoning to buy such a combo:

R6II just can't hold up in this competition.

  • Electronic shutter with no apparent rolling shutter
  • 10 to 50 FPS
  • Form factor OM-1 / 12-40 for street photography vs R6 / RF24-105F4
  • PreCapture w/o RS
  • Probably better weather sealing (I have never tried shooting in the rain or snow)
  • Better F-speed for 200-300mm of FL equivalent (40-150 F2.8 vs EF 70-200 F2.8)

I am going to keep R6 with EF 24-70 F2.8 for short distances and shallower DoF, I think 2 such different systems will complement each other much better than another body of Canon R system. I will also return to taking the camera with me on vacation. MFT knocks out FF in this area.

I am open to your comment even if you think I suffer from GAS

You have that right in not having to apologize for this move. You are going to be using 2 of their finest lenses sharp edge to edge and FAST to focus. I can't see you being disappointed.

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ProDude Senior Member • Posts: 4,857
Re: The decision is about to be made, so speak now or forever hold your peace
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Phocal wrote:

Tommy S wrote:

I was looking for a second body to complement my R6 to stop juggling the lenses. I analyzed all Pros & Cons of entering the new MFT system. I think I did my homework well enough and I am not wrong to buy OM-1 with 12-40 and 40-150 F2.8 Pro lenses.

My reasoning to buy such a combo:

R6II just can't hold up in this competition.

  • Electronic shutter with no apparent rolling shutter
  • 10 to 50 FPS
  • Form factor OM-1 / 12-40 for street photography vs R6 / RF24-105F4
  • PreCapture w/o RS
  • Probably better weather sealing (I have never tried shooting in the rain or snow)
  • Better F-speed for 200-300mm of FL equivalent (40-150 F2.8 vs EF 70-200 F2.8)

I am going to keep R6 with EF 24-70 F2.8 for short distances and shallower DoF, I think 2 such different systems will complement each other much better than another body of Canon R system. I will also return to taking the camera with me on vacation. MFT knocks out FF in this area.

I am open to your comment even if you think I suffer from GAS

Unfortunately you are buying into a system that will probably be gone in 2 years

Based on the current sales numbers you are on drugs.

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Skeeterbytes Forum Pro • Posts: 23,182
Re: m4/3 always 2 years away from death
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bakubo wrote:

Phocal wrote:

Unfortunately you are buying into a system that will probably be gone in 2 years

I have heard that said for the last 12 years. m4/3 is always 2 years away from being dead.

The minute we have fusion power and jetpacks, OMDS vanishes.

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Yannis1976
Yannis1976 Veteran Member • Posts: 6,309
Re: The decision is about to be made, so speak now or forever hold your peace
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Tommy S wrote:

I was looking for a second body to complement my R6 to stop juggling the lenses. I analyzed all Pros & Cons of entering the new MFT system. I think I did my homework well enough and I am not wrong to buy OM-1 with 12-40 and 40-150 F2.8 Pro lenses.

My reasoning to buy such a combo:

R6II just can't hold up in this competition.

  • Electronic shutter with no apparent rolling shutter
  • 10 to 50 FPS
  • Form factor OM-1 / 12-40 for street photography vs R6 / RF24-105F4
  • PreCapture w/o RS
  • Probably better weather sealing (I have never tried shooting in the rain or snow)
  • Better F-speed for 200-300mm of FL equivalent (40-150 F2.8 vs EF 70-200 F2.8)

I am going to keep R6 with EF 24-70 F2.8 for short distances and shallower DoF, I think 2 such different systems will complement each other much better than another body of Canon R system. I will also return to taking the camera with me on vacation. MFT knocks out FF in this area.

I am open to your comment even if you think I suffer from GAS

If the 2nd system is solely for street, I would look into something smaller or less DSLR camera looking. Ideally, the OM5 or EM5/3 could do that job in a smaller, lighter package.

Personally for street I use the small EP7 or the tiny RX100VI...

For me OM1 excels as a wildlife, nature, hiking, outdoor, landscape camera.

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Tommy S
OP Tommy S Contributing Member • Posts: 820
Re: The decision is about to be made, so speak now or forever hold your peace
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Yannis1976 wrote:

If the 2nd system is solely for street, I would look into something smaller or less DSLR camera looking. Ideally, the OM5 or EM5/3 could do that job in a smaller, lighter package.

Personally for street I use the small EP7 or the tiny RX100VI...

For me OM1 excels as a wildlife, nature, hiking, outdoor, landscape camera.

I need reliable and fast CAF, as I generally shoot various forms of action / sports photography. I had waited to buy second body, thinking I would buy R7 but gave up the idea due to some disappointment.

OM-1 will help me enjoy the photography not only as a planned event but also to carry it around without thinking about it. That is why I mentioned street photography.

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Yannis1976
Yannis1976 Veteran Member • Posts: 6,309
Re: The decision is about to be made, so speak now or forever hold your peace

Tommy S wrote:

Yannis1976 wrote:

If the 2nd system is solely for street, I would look into something smaller or less DSLR camera looking. Ideally, the OM5 or EM5/3 could do that job in a smaller, lighter package.

Personally for street I use the small EP7 or the tiny RX100VI...

For me OM1 excels as a wildlife, nature, hiking, outdoor, landscape camera.

I need reliable and fast CAF, as I generally shoot various forms of action / sports photography.

For action/sport you cant go wrong with the OM1.

I had waited to buy second body, thinking I would buy R7 but gave up the idea due to some disappointment.

OM-1 will help me enjoy the photography not only as a planned event but also to carry it around without thinking about it. That is why I mentioned street photography.

ok... I have the EM1.3 and although I do enjoy it for many photography types, its not a carry everywhere camera for me. For that I have a small RX100VI (which may have even better CAF than the OM1)

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tedolf
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DOF
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A 4/3 sensor with an f/1.7 prime lens has a DOF profile very similar to your R6 with an F/2.8 lens.

Be careful, a m4/3 camera with a fast prime lens is a very seductive thing.

You have been warned.

Tedolph

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tedolf
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Juggling...
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Tommy S wrote:

JasonTheBirder wrote:

Tommy S wrote:

I am open to your comment even if you think I suffer from GAS

Well, I understand your reasoning but I find it a pain to have two systems.

Why is that? Every juggling act is beneficial for brain fitness.

Trying to develop muscle memory for two very different control systems is maddening.

Tedolph

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JasonTheBirder
JasonTheBirder Senior Member • Posts: 3,967
Re: The decision is about to be made, so speak now or forever hold your peace
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Tommy S wrote:

JasonTheBirder wrote:

Tommy S wrote:

I am open to your comment even if you think I suffer from GAS

Well, I understand your reasoning but I find it a pain to have two systems.

Why is that? Every juggling act is beneficial for brain fitness.

If I want brain fitness, I do a Sudoku, solve an equation, read about philosophy, or learn a language. It's not whether an act is good for the brain, it's whether the time can be better spent doing something else even better for the brain.

Personally, I'd rather do something more interesting for brain fitness and spend my photography doing something creative.

Besides, juggling too systems is not at all challenging mentally, it's just irritating. And this is coming from someone who uses Nikon and micro four thirds.

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Tommy S
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Re: DOF

tedolf wrote:

A 4/3 sensor with an f/1.7 prime lens has a DOF profile very similar to your R6 with an F/2.8 lens.

Be careful, a m4/3 camera with a fast prime lens is a very seductive thing.

You have been warned.

Tedolph

I do not like prime lenses too much. I used to have some, but they never stayed too long with me. The only F1.7 lenses I would consider are Leica DG 10-25 & 25-50 F1.7. If I ever sell R6 with 24-70 I think such a nice combo of fast MFT zooms would step in.

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Tommy S
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Re: The decision is about to be made, so speak now or forever hold your peace
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JasonTheBirder wrote:

Tommy S wrote:

JasonTheBirder wrote:

Tommy S wrote:

I am open to your comment even if you think I suffer from GAS

Well, I understand your reasoning but I find it a pain to have two systems.

Why is that? Every juggling act is beneficial for brain fitness.

If I want brain fitness, I do a Sudoku, solve an equation, read about philosophy, or learn a language. It's not whether an act is good for the brain, it's whether the time can be better spent doing something else even better for the brain.

Personally, I'd rather do something more interesting for brain fitness and spend my photography doing something creative.

Besides, juggling too systems is not at all challenging mentally, it's just irritating. And this is coming from someone who uses Nikon and micro four thirds.

Ok - I do not argue. Let me discover it myself.

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Satyaa Veteran Member • Posts: 5,197
Re: The decision is about to be made, so speak now or forever hold your peace

Tommy S wrote:

I was looking for a second body to complement my R6 to stop juggling the lenses. I analyzed all Pros & Cons of entering the new MFT system. I think I did my homework well enough and I am not wrong to buy OM-1 with 12-40 and 40-150 F2.8 Pro lenses.

  • Better F-speed for 200-300mm of FL equivalent (40-150 F2.8 vs EF 70-200 F2.8)

I do not understand that point. Wouldn't 150mm on m43 give you close to the same FOV as 200mm on APSC (R7)? What do you mean by F-speed?

I am going to keep R6 with EF 24-70 F2.8 for short distances and shallower DoF, I think 2 such different systems will complement each other much better than another body of Canon R system. I will also return to taking the camera with me on vacation. MFT knocks out FF in this area.

APSC ML bodies are not much bigger. Among FF 70-200/2.8 zooms, the RF version is the the lightest.

If I was in this situation with an R6 and wanting a second body, I would probably go with R7. You mention some disappointments in another reply above. I am not sure what that is.

I am open to your comment even if you think I suffer from GAS

The other thing I want you to consider is the high ISO performance. I often shoot up to 6400 on D7200 with 70-200/2.8. I am doing that with 40-150/2.8 on GH5M2 and I am not 100% convinced that IQ is comparable at higher ISO. I get the same f/2.8 exposure (with more DOF), the same 300mm FF FOV with lighter gear, but not the same ISO 6400 IQ. Coming from FF, you will probably see even more difference.

I don't know if OM-1 is one stop better than GH5M2.

All the best.

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