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Canon 5d mk ii + 400mm f5.6 L+ TC. ??

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Russell Davies New Member • Posts: 2
Canon 5d mk ii + 400mm f5.6 L+ TC. ??

Hi Members Just looking for some help here please.

Ive been using a 5d mkii for many years along with the Canon 70-300mm L.

I am selling my lens and getting the Canon 400mm f5.6 L. I'm getting more into wildlife photography.

My question is .. is it possible to use my camera with a TC along with the Canon 400mm f5.6.

I'm hoping it is but if its not would I be better off changing my camera ?. Not made of money so thinking of 7d mki.

Any advice please would be helpful for me to decide which way to go.

Warm regards to all.

Russ

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maarensv
maarensv Senior Member • Posts: 1,106
Re: Canon 5d mk ii + 400mm f5.6 L+ TC. ??

Russell Davies wrote:

Hi Members Just looking for some help here please.

Ive been using a 5d mkii for many years along with the Canon 70-300mm L.

I am selling my lens and getting the Canon 400mm f5.6 L. I'm getting more into wildlife photography.

My question is .. is it possible to use my camera with a TC along with the Canon 400mm f5.6.

I'm hoping it is but if its not would I be better off changing my camera ?. Not made of money so thinking of 7d mki.

Any advice please would be helpful for me to decide which way to go.

Warm regards to all.

Russ

It is well worth looking for an aps-c camera instead of a TC.

Max aperture will drop to f/8 with a 1,4x TC and even f/11 with a 2,0x. Most DSLR will focus up to f/8, but center point only in many cases. Beyond f/8 the only way to AF is in live view mode. AF will be slow(er) and less reliable when using a TC. Using the bare lens is an advantage in that regard.

The 400mm f/5,6 L is sharp lens straight wide open (though stopping down a tiny bit does improve sharpness). You can add a good 1,4x TC without much penalty, but a 2,0x TC will definitely decrease IQ. Again, using the bare lens has it's advantage.

Also remember that the 400 f/5,6 L has no IS to compensate for the slower aperture.

I can't look into your wallet, but I'd look for an aps-c camera to add to your 5D II. It will provide you both 400mm and 640mm (FF equivalent FOV) options. Not necessarily a 7D. There are several more recent xxD camera's with an improved 24Mpix sensor and same or better AF that are worth looking at.

Regards, Sandor.

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WindwardHaole Senior Member • Posts: 1,550
Re: Canon 5d mk ii + 400mm f5.6 L+ TC. ??

I agree with Sandor, using an APS-C body will give you the image magnification you want without IQ and aperture/shutter speed penalties.

WindwardHaole Senior Member • Posts: 1,550
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My mistake, Russell, my comments were intended for you. I agree with Sandor, using an APS-C body will give you the image magnification you want without IQ and aperture/shutter speed penalties.

John Crowe
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No AF with 5D II or 7D.

You will not have autofocus with the 5D II or original 7D.  I used to shoot the 5D II for landscapes/architecture along with a 24 MP APS-C for sports.  I suggest starting out by adding an APS-C first.  The T7i or 77D would likely be an affordable start with your 70-300.  If needed you could later switch to the 400/5.6 and 1.4x and still get AF.  Stretching your budget to the 80D, or better yet the 90D, would be worthwhile.

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OP Russell Davies New Member • Posts: 2
Re: Canon 5d mk ii + 400mm f5.6 L+ TC. ??

Hi Well thank you very much as that does answer my questions perfectly.

I will keep the full frame but as yeah also i will pick up a APSC too.

Thank you for your time .

Warm regards Russ

EJ Fudd
EJ Fudd Senior Member • Posts: 2,150
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used the 400mm 5.6L on a 5d iv with 1.4x (II, III) in good light excellent results

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John Sheehy Forum Pro • Posts: 26,698
Re: Canon 5d mk ii + 400mm f5.6 L+ TC. ??

Russell Davies wrote:

Hi Members Just looking for some help here please.

Ive been using a 5d mkii for many years along with the Canon 70-300mm L.

I am selling my lens and getting the Canon 400mm f5.6 L. I'm getting more into wildlife photography.

My question is .. is it possible to use my camera with a TC along with the Canon 400mm f5.6.

I'm hoping it is but if its not would I be better off changing my camera ?. Not made of money so thinking of 7d mki.

Any advice please would be helpful for me to decide which way to go.

Warm regards to all.

The camera will not AF with a classic "reporting" TC.  You can use a non-reporting TC, or tape the 3 extra TC contacts on the lens side of the TC, or you can get a tricky TC like a Kenko DGX Pro 300 1.4x (must have the X; "DG" won't AF without taping), which not only allows all of your AF points to operate at f/8, like the non-reporting or taped options, but will also give the correct EXIF information to the camera for both f-ratio and focal length.  In fact, the DGX will even give correct EXIF if it is the second TC behind a reporting TC (two TCs stacked!).

The AF points on the 5D2 are probably going to be a little on the slow side at f/8, though, especially in dim light.

I bought my DGX after I gave someone my 5D2, though, so I never used them together, but it worked great with my 6D and 7D, but basically crashed any of the newer cameras from 7D2 and on which had OFFICIAL f/8 AF in at least the center.  My DGX was an early one, though, so some of the latter ones may work with some newer bodies.

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WindwardHaole wrote:

My mistake, Russell, my comments were intended for you. I agree with Sandor, using an APS-C body will give you the image magnification you want without IQ and aperture/shutter speed penalties.

7D2, 90D, or R7 would do the trick (or even an R10), and the R cameras will give IBIS.

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John Sheehy wrote:

WindwardHaole wrote:

My mistake, Russell, my comments were intended for you. I agree with Sandor, using an APS-C body will give you the image magnification you want without IQ and aperture/shutter speed penalties.

7D2, 90D, or R7 would do the trick (or even an R10), and the R cameras will give IBIS.

The R7 will have IBIS, but not the R10.  But I do agree on getting the R7 or R10, just for the amazing AF systems alone.

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John Sheehy Forum Pro • Posts: 26,698
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TeeJay626 wrote:

John Sheehy wrote:

WindwardHaole wrote:

My mistake, Russell, my comments were intended for you. I agree with Sandor, using an APS-C body will give you the image magnification you want without IQ and aperture/shutter speed penalties.

7D2, 90D, or R7 would do the trick (or even an R10), and the R cameras will give IBIS.

The R7 will have IBIS, but not the R10. But I do agree on getting the R7 or R10, just for the amazing AF systems alone.

Thanks for that correction.  I assumed that IBIS was standard after the R5 and R6.

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