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Fujifilm X-T5 First Impressions Review

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Zinch Senior Member • Posts: 1,122
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fcracer wrote:

I post this review with some trepidation. As a longtime Fujifan (started with the X-T10 and X-Pro1) that currently owns the X-Pro2, X100V, X-T5 and GFX100S, I'd always prefer to be making super positive reviews about the company I love. However, this review is not going to be that positive

The full review with images can be found here. Below is an excerpt of the Introduction, Autofocus, Image Quality and Conclusion sections.

Introduction

When the Fujifilm X-T5 was announced, I was super excited, but skeptical. It ticked all the right boxes with improvements in the things I didn’t like on the X-T4. Gone was the annoying (but extremely useful for vloggers) flip-out rear screen; gone was the irritating design of the USB charging and microphone port door.

According to Fujifilm, gone also was the poor autofocus performance that had become an albatross around the previous camera’s neck. Sadly, I don’t put much credibility into Fujifilm’s promises regarding autofocus as we’ve all been burned with promises of class-leading performance, only to find the reality not stacking up.

When I picked up the camera on launch day, I told my salesperson that this is Fujifilm’s last chance to have a long-term place in my photography cabinet. If the autofocus performance is not up to modern standards, this will be the last Fujifilm APSC camera I buy.

Surprisingly, he noted that several customers had either already come to the same conclusion (and moved to Sony, Canon or less so, Nikon) or they had articulated the same thought that the X-T5 is Fujifilm’s last chance with them. If it doesn’t deliver, they’ll sell their system and move on with the competition.

Autofocus

Fujifilm’s single autofocus performance remains excellent. The ability to size the autofocus box to your needs is a very useful feature. I love using the smallest autofocus box to get pin-sharp focus on the area of the subject that I desire. The only downside to using the smaller box size is that it can sometimes take a bit more time to lock on focus, given the small area the camera has to work with.

Fujifilm’s subject detection has improved dramatically with humans, and has introduced subject detection for birds, dogs, cars, motorcycles and trains; this has resulted in a massive increase in the number of my keepers due to the automated subject detection. What used to take a few seconds to get the camera running, move the focus box around and then take the image, now can be reduced to less than a second. This has resulted in many more “in the moment” captures of my friends and dogs. This is a game changer for me.

However, in continuous autofocus, when I’m using subject tracking, there’s significant room for improvement for Fujifilm to match the best that Sony and Canon have on offer. The whole approach to continuous autofocus subject tracking feels like a beta product. It’s not clear what role the various focus frames have on subject tracking effectiveness and the camera’s ability to follow the subject is highly unpredictable. I lack confidence that what I’m seeing on the screen is actually being delivered in the final image.

In my testing, with an erratic moving subject like my dog, the X-T5, paired with a fast responding lens like the XF23 MK2 or XF33, can achieve ~70% focus hit rate. The A7R5 however achieves 100% hit rate, and that’s with 61MP across a larger sensor too. When using a slow responding lens like the XF56 WR, the hit rate drops to <50% at close distances and ~70% at longer distances.

It’s a disappointing performance, but still far better than the dismal results the X-T4 would achieve where subject tracking was only possible with humans or by using the wide-tracking mode which required the use of the rather large focus box.

Where the X-T5 needs to improve is its ability to track the subject while simultaneously capturing images. Somehow the lens, capturing pipeline or something else is not keeping up. In the tests, the green box was clearly tracking the dog’s eye and should have had a high hit rate, but for reasons unknown, several images ended up out of focus.

The green tracking box gives a false sense of security and is something Fujifilm needs to urgently look at. If the box is green and tracking the subject, it’s reasonable for the user to assume the captured images will be in focus. This is a poor user experience and greatly reduces confidence in the system.

When using the A7R5, I feel something magical happening. It feels like AI is not just a buzzword but something real. Fujifilm’s AI feels like marketing as I don’t see it doing anything that makes me believe it’s smarter than “if-this-then-that” logic in typical programming.

Image Quality

The 26MP APSC sensor in the X-T4 is a legendary sensor. It’s widely known that the wafer at a pixel level is similar to the one used in the Sony A7R4 and the GFX100 series. All of these cameras are renowned for their image quality, low noise and excellent dynamic range. All of this is to say the previous sensor was already excellent.

In comes the new 40MP sensor, utilizing the same back-side illuminated technology of the previous sensor. We normally expect more pixels across the same surface area to result in more noise, however Fujifilm seems to have limited the noise increase to a level that is not noticeable.

While a 54% increase in the number of pixels sounds like a lot, in reality, the linear increase is only 24%. To put this into perspective, if you were printing a super high resolution image at 300dpi of 21" x 14", the extra resolution would allow you to print 5” wider and 3.3” taller. It’s a nice increase, but not life changing. To make visualizing the difference in resolution easier, the below image is scaled so that the GFX100S is 100%, and all other cameras are relative to that.

One area that does appear to suffer however is not really image quality per se, but more the image capturing pipeline. I noticed more rolling shutter effect when in the higher resolution video modes. I haven’t been able to source sensor readout information so I can’t quantify the difference at this time.

In summary, Fujifilm has provided a useful increase in resolution, without any negatives in terms of image quality. There is however the impact on rolling shutter.

Conclusion

Expectations were high going into the X-T5 launch. Fujifilm talked up their new 40MP sensor and the improvements from the brand new AI autofocus system. I think they exceeded expectations with the new sensor but have come up short on the autofocus system.

The new sensor gives us more resolution without incurring any downsides like noise or speed impacts. Fujifilm continues to be a leader in their colour reproduction using their excellent film simulations. This, when paired with the new sensor, is a perfect pallet from which to capture your version of the world around us.

In 2022, all of the major camera manufacturers have figured out autofocus. Sony has been the leader for a long time and continues to lead; they keep going from strength to strength. Canon and Nikon have nearly caught up, especially Canon. Fujifilm does well with a static subject, but when moving, things quickly fall apart.

This is no longer acceptable and I think Fujifilm is going to start losing customers due to this. There are other differentiators that attract people to Fujifilm like the control dials, however other manufacturers have started to offer this too. Sony and Sigma now have aperture rings on their latest lenses. Shutter speed and ISO can easily be mapped to the two dials present on almost every camera. With that setup, you have all the manual controls that you could want, while having completely reliable autofocus performance.

For the past several years, when people asked me which camera they should buy, I often recommended the X-T line as the first choice and the Sony offerings if they were willing to spend more and/or were wed to the idea of a full frame sensor. Unfortunately, until Fujifilm can make some major improvements, I won’t be recommending the X-T5 to new users given the poor subject tracking autofocus performance.

It’s a shame that we’re at this point with Fujifilm. They have some of the most beautiful cameras on the market, with incredible sensors, and film simulations that make editing so easy. They have a set of jewel-like lenses with edge to edge sharpness and high image quality. They have the wonderful dials and a long history to call upon. All they need to do is to fix their autofocus performance.

If you’re an existing Fujifilm user and mostly taking images of static subjects, the X-T5 will be an excellent camera. If you’re a Fujifilm user that was hoping for a big step forward in subject tracking autofocus, you may want to consider switching to another camera brand. If you’re looking for your first camera, a Sony or Canon will certainly provide you with an easier photography experience.

For my purposes, Fujifilm didn’t deliver what I was hoping for. If there are no major improvements to the subject tracking autofocus performance via firmware updates in the near future, when it comes time to update my camera, I foresee my X-T5 being replaced with a Sony.

What I’d like to see in a future firmware update:

  1. Improved subject tracking autofocus performance that inspires confidence.
  2. An auto subject detection mode where the camera takes a best guess whether the subject is a human, animal, car, train or airplane. If that’s not possible, Fujifilm should combine the human modes with the new subject detection modes.
  3. An option to centre the focus point by clicking the focus lever (like how it’s implemented in the X-T4 and GFX 100S)

The above is an excerpt, the full review can be found here. Happy to answer any questions you may have.

Every system has its compromises. Fuji has the ergonomics, colors, price /features as pros. As cons there's obviously the AF tracking. It has improved, but it is not the best out there (the X-H2s is up there though).

Grass always seems greener over there, but when you look closely that's not always the case. For example Sony's famous AF: if you realy want a better AF than Fuji's, prepare to spend at least 2500$ for the body because the a7III (and older cameras) have an older AF system. For that price you can get the Fuji X-H2S. Yes, the Sony would be FF, but the Fuji has a stacked sensor. If you care about AF and ES performance that would be a big plus for the Fuji unless you get the a1.

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abarr49 New Member • Posts: 1
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Agreed on the price differential between Sony and the X-T5. The review post was really useful to me. Thanks for sharing your experience and photos. As someone looking at moving from a cheaper small micro four-thirds setup to either a Fuji or FF camera, it ends up being all about compromises and personal priorities.

I tried a Nikon Z5 and liked the image quality. But the overall weight of the system meant for me it'd probably end up staying behind when I travel or hike. And I didn't love the auto-focus interface. The autofocus and quality of the A7R5 seem amazing, but it's more than 3x the price of the X-T5. I'm looking at the X-T5 as a good compromise with improved image quality, a better sensor to enable cropping when needed, and good enough improvement in the autofocus area from where I'm coming from in the price bracket of $1-2k. So it really comes down to quality for the price and size you're willing to deal with. If I decide to really prioritize image quality over size down the line, I expect the GFX line is a good upgrade or 2nd system option. I loved the images you shared from your Italy travels in other recent blog posts.

Btw, @fcracer, I tried posting to your blog, but got a 'Nonce verification failed.' error. Just fyi.

third son
third son Veteran Member • Posts: 3,422
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I am still somewhat in the Fuji camp (after being all in for a long time) for an everyday carry with an XE4 and a few small primes. The problem Fuji has for wildlife is the absence of a long, affordable telephoto prime. Sure there is the 100-400mm and now the 150-600mm but those lenses lack what a long prime can provide. Some here have succumbed to using other system's lenses with Fringer adapters and they work pretty well. Processing RAW files (in LRc) is also still a known bugaboo even though there are plenty who say it is not. I am still not convinced. Workarounds does not solve the problem. This is why I sold the bulk of my gear a while ago and moved on. I sincerely hope Fuji figures this out and is successful going forward. I will continue to follow this story.....

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MarkG Regular Member • Posts: 333
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The statement that you'd need to spend more money to get better AF-C is not accurate. I own a6400, which, apparently has better AF-C than X-T5. You can buy a6400 for ~$900 body only.  It is of course, inferior to X-T5 in many other aspects, but not AF. I've been following the debate and reviews about X-T5 with some interest as it has been on my radar, but I do like to shoot BIF and unfortunately, for that it may not be the best choice.

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OP fcracer Senior Member • Posts: 1,632
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DanFry wrote:

In your full review, your build quality comments are mainly focusing on the dials. What about the rest - the body itself, lens mount, body plate etc? Having 2 X-H1s, I am hesitant to upgrade for reasons of poorer build quality. As a mainly out in the field shooter, also with the heavier zoom lenses, I am not sure that an upgrade to the X-T5 would be a good move. This besides the smaller pixel sizes and related diffraction issue - not a positive for landscape phogography, unless one is open to using focus stacking, I understand. Would be interested in your thoughts in view of your GFX experience (also the 50 MP version) - due to the shallower DOF, focus stacking may be required as well, won't it? Thx in advance for any feedback on these points.

Hi Dan,

Apologies for the late reply. I was travelling for Christmas and this slipped my mind.

In regards to build quality, the only areas of concern I have are around the dials (feel hollow and don't have a strong enough detent to stop them inadvertently changing), especially the new and larger exposure compensation dial that has become far too easy to turn, and the LCD tilt screen which doesn't have enough spring tension to hold it tightly against the body.

The former is something we'll have to live with given the lighter weight, the latter is something I think Fujifilm will ultimately have to warranty for those that got first batch cameras and fix in production for those buying in the future. None of my previous Fujifilm cameras have had a rattling back LCD with loose tension.

In regards to diffraction and DOF, these can be calculated and compared across cameras.

For diffraction, we can use the excellent tool at photopills.com to do some comparisons of various cameras:

Fujifilm X-T4 @ 26.1MP: Diffraction may become visible at F8 @ 100% crop

Fujifilm X-T5 @ 40.2MP: Diffraction may become visible at F6.3 @ 100% crop

Fujifilm GFX50R @ 51.4MP: Diffraction may become visible at F10 @ 100% crop

Fujifilm GFX100S @ 101.8MP: Diffraction may become visible at F7.1 @ 100% crop

We can see that the extra resolution only brings diffraction into play about 2/3rd to one stop earlier than the lower resolution versions of the same sensor size camera. It's really not an issue for landscape photographers because the peak resolution of most lenses is around F4-F5.6, which is well below the range before diffraction begins to show up. Furthermore, diffraction correction in post processing software can do wonders to bring back some of the sharpness, even at small apertures like F16.

For DOF, we can stay with photopills.com and calculate the DOF for typical landscape lenses, distances and cameras:

Fujifilm X-T5: 16MM at F4 with subject at 3 meters = 43 m depth of field

Fujifilm GFX50R: 32MM at F8-F9 with subject at 3 meters = 43 m depth of field

Fujifilm X-T5: 23MM at F1.4 hyper focal distance: 19m

Fujifilm GFX50R: 45MM at F2.8 hyper focal distance: 19m

In summary, the extra resolution doesn't have a major impact on diffraction or depth of field. The aperture where diffraction starts to have any noticeable impact (at 100% crop) is already higher than what landscape photographers would be using to maximize lens resolution.

Furthermore, there is plenty of depth of field available even at wide apertures if the subject is sufficiently far away. You can use the 35MM equivalent GF45 at F2.8 and have very deep depth of field (~10m to infinity in acceptable focus) by focusing at the hyper focal distance of 18.89m.

For my GFX100S, I typically use F8 for landscapes. For my 100V/X-T4/X-T5, I typically use F4 if I want maximum sharpness in the centre or F5.6 to be on the safe side that the edges and centre will be balanced in sharpness.

Hope the above helps! If you'd like to learn more, I'd highly, highly recommend visiting Jim's blog with the following search criteria:

Depth of Field: https://blog.kasson.com/?s=depth+of+field

Diffraction: https://blog.kasson.com/?s=diffraction

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nuramori
nuramori Regular Member • Posts: 118
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Wonderful review.  I was enjoying your review from the perspective of comparing the thoughts of a seasoned/professional Fujifilm user to my current reflections as a green as green first time user of the Fuji ecosystem.

Everything you said I'm seeing, and I am looking forward to your thoughts on the upcoming promises hinted at in the firmware update due tomorrow or so.  I'll be eager to see if your thoughts on the AF system changes in any substantial way.

Regarding the build quality, I am only able to compare to the Canons I've owned, and my thoughts on that are, it "FEELS" as well built as my old Canon A-1 I have sitting on my desk next to me as a reminder of my passions past.  It certainly feels more substantial in build quality than any of the "plasticy" Canon products (exceptions of the L lenses noted) since then.  My one particular gripe with the X-T5 is the power on collar and how it feels loose or not well connected, and the incredibly rubbery wallowing of the shutter release button itself.  The rest otherwise feels extremely well made and of high quality materials.

Back to your AF analysis, I agree, that is the one disheartening thing I am experiencing as well, where the auto-focus seems "off" compared to anything else I've used, and while once tweaked with Peak focusing aiding me, it's not as fluid and trustworthy in moments of trying to get a quick shot and expecting the AF to perform properly and faithfully.  Given my move (wholesale) to Fuji for the purposes of enjoying a new experience with it, the AF is distracting from it.  I wouldn't mind it as much, since I am used to manually focusing in days past, but the point of having AF is to assist more than it is in capturing alluring images.  Given that there's the strong possibility that a "fix" is possible in firmware, and is not an inherent flaw in hardware design is keeping my excitement up and at bay.  I am fortunately very happy with the image/lens performance, and don't feel like I've given anything up in that regard, in the search for a more compact and travel friendly photographic companion.

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DanFry Regular Member • Posts: 351
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fcracer wrote:

DanFry wrote:

In your full review, your build quality comments are mainly focusing on the dials. What about the rest - the body itself, lens mount, body plate etc? Having 2 X-H1s, I am hesitant to upgrade for reasons of poorer build quality. As a mainly out in the field shooter, also with the heavier zoom lenses, I am not sure that an upgrade to the X-T5 would be a good move. This besides the smaller pixel sizes and related diffraction issue - not a positive for landscape phogography, unless one is open to using focus stacking, I understand. Would be interested in your thoughts in view of your GFX experience (also the 50 MP version) - due to the shallower DOF, focus stacking may be required as well, won't it? Thx in advance for any feedback on these points.

Hi Dan,

Apologies for the late reply. I was travelling for Christmas and this slipped my mind.

In regards to build quality, the only areas of concern I have are around the dials (feel hollow and don't have a strong enough detent to stop them inadvertently changing), especially the new and larger exposure compensation dial that has become far too easy to turn, and the LCD tilt screen which doesn't have enough spring tension to hold it tightly against the body.

The former is something we'll have to live with given the lighter weight, the latter is something I think Fujifilm will ultimately have to warranty for those that got first batch cameras and fix in production for those buying in the future. None of my previous Fujifilm cameras have had a rattling back LCD with loose tension.

In regards to diffraction and DOF, these can be calculated and compared across cameras.

For diffraction, we can use the excellent tool at photopills.com to do some comparisons of various cameras:

Fujifilm X-T4 @ 26.1MP: Diffraction may become visible at F8 @ 100% crop

Fujifilm X-T5 @ 40.2MP: Diffraction may become visible at F6.3 @ 100% crop

Fujifilm GFX50R @ 51.4MP: Diffraction may become visible at F10 @ 100% crop

Fujifilm GFX100S @ 101.8MP: Diffraction may become visible at F7.1 @ 100% crop

We can see that the extra resolution only brings diffraction into play about 2/3rd to one stop earlier than the lower resolution versions of the same sensor size camera. It's really not an issue for landscape photographers because the peak resolution of most lenses is around F4-F5.6, which is well below the range before diffraction begins to show up. Furthermore, diffraction correction in post processing software can do wonders to bring back some of the sharpness, even at small apertures like F16.

For DOF, we can stay with photopills.com and calculate the DOF for typical landscape lenses, distances and cameras:

Fujifilm X-T5: 16MM at F4 with subject at 3 meters = 43 m depth of field

Fujifilm GFX50R: 32MM at F8-F9 with subject at 3 meters = 43 m depth of field

Fujifilm X-T5: 23MM at F1.4 hyper focal distance: 19m

Fujifilm GFX50R: 45MM at F2.8 hyper focal distance: 19m

In summary, the extra resolution doesn't have a major impact on diffraction or depth of field. The aperture where diffraction starts to have any noticeable impact (at 100% crop) is already higher than what landscape photographers would be using to maximize lens resolution.

Furthermore, there is plenty of depth of field available even at wide apertures if the subject is sufficiently far away. You can use the 35MM equivalent GF45 at F2.8 and have very deep depth of field (~10m to infinity in acceptable focus) by focusing at the hyper focal distance of 18.89m.

For my GFX100S, I typically use F8 for landscapes. For my 100V/X-T4/X-T5, I typically use F4 if I want maximum sharpness in the centre or F5.6 to be on the safe side that the edges and centre will be balanced in sharpness.

Hope the above helps! If you'd like to learn more, I'd highly, highly recommend visiting Jim's blog with the following search criteria:

Depth of Field: https://blog.kasson.com/?s=depth+of+field

Diffraction: https://blog.kasson.com/?s=diffraction

Thanks for your feedback, and sorry on my part for the late reply. And thanks to others' for comments on build quality.

Has anyone else further first hand views/ opinions/ experiences, this time specifically with X-T4 vs. X-T5 in terms of build quality - dials, buttons, lens mount, bottom plate etc.? I am clear about all the other pros and cons of these two cameras.

Thx, Dan

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Larzac Forum Member • Posts: 60
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Thank you for this thorough analysis.
This XT5 is a real disappointment to me, I would have loved to get one (+ some primes): form factor, dials, LCD... along with my Leica M system.
But the focus false positives are really a deal breaker, I tried one and had excitedly the same issue. I'm not into high speed CAF or burst rates, I don't care, but getting a precise and reliable focus and focus feedback is essential.
Besides it seems that the small and attractive F2 primes are not quite good enough for this 40Mp sensor (and the 1.4 are too big).
Too bad.

notdarkyet
notdarkyet Regular Member • Posts: 329
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Thanks for your honest review.  As you are an xpro 2 owner (and that has been my main camera for about five years) can you tell me what I can expect if I do purchase the Xt5?  Is the AF and CAF on the XT5 a major improvement over the XPro2?  Thank you

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OP fcracer Senior Member • Posts: 1,632
Re: Fujifilm X-T5 First Impressions Review - build quality vs. X-T4

Thanks Dan. I wrote a follow-up after taking the X-T5 on a trip. Gives more info on the camera; the follow up can be found here: https://fcracer.com/fujifilm-x-t5-review-follow-up/

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OP fcracer Senior Member • Posts: 1,632
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notdarkyet wrote:

Thanks for your honest review. As you are an xpro 2 owner (and that has been my main camera for about five years) can you tell me what I can expect if I do purchase the Xt5? Is the AF and CAF on the XT5 a major improvement over the XPro2? Thank you

AF is orders of magnitude better on X-T5 compared to X-Pro2.

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LA_Shooter71 New Member • Posts: 21
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Larzac wrote:

Thank you for this thorough analysis.
This XT5 is a real disappointment to me, I would have loved to get one (+ some primes): form factor, dials, LCD... along with my Leica M system.
But the focus false positives are really a deal breaker, I tried one and had excitedly the same issue. I'm not into high speed CAF or burst rates, I don't care, but getting a precise and reliable focus and focus feedback is essential.
Besides it seems that the small and attractive F2 primes are not quite good enough for this 40Mp sensor (and the 1.4 are too big).
Too bad.

The small f2 primes are all on the list of compatible lenses with the 40mp sensor.

https://www.fujirumors.com/list-of-fujinon-xf-lenses-that-get-maximum-benefit-from-fujifilm-x-h2-and-x-t5-with-40-megapixel-resolution/

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