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Fujifilm X-T5 First Impressions Review

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I post this review with some trepidation. As a longtime Fujifan (started with the X-T10 and X-Pro1) that currently owns the X-Pro2, X100V, X-T5 and GFX100S, I'd always prefer to be making super positive reviews about the company I love. However, this review is not going to be that positive

The full review with images can be found here. Below is an excerpt of the Introduction, Autofocus, Image Quality and Conclusion sections.

Introduction

When the Fujifilm X-T5 was announced, I was super excited, but skeptical. It ticked all the right boxes with improvements in the things I didn’t like on the X-T4. Gone was the annoying (but extremely useful for vloggers) flip-out rear screen; gone was the irritating design of the USB charging and microphone port door.

According to Fujifilm, gone also was the poor autofocus performance that had become an albatross around the previous camera’s neck. Sadly, I don’t put much credibility into Fujifilm’s promises regarding autofocus as we’ve all been burned with promises of class-leading performance, only to find the reality not stacking up.

When I picked up the camera on launch day, I told my salesperson that this is Fujifilm’s last chance to have a long-term place in my photography cabinet. If the autofocus performance is not up to modern standards, this will be the last Fujifilm APSC camera I buy.

Surprisingly, he noted that several customers had either already come to the same conclusion (and moved to Sony, Canon or less so, Nikon) or they had articulated the same thought that the X-T5 is Fujifilm’s last chance with them. If it doesn’t deliver, they’ll sell their system and move on with the competition.

Autofocus

Fujifilm’s single autofocus performance remains excellent. The ability to size the autofocus box to your needs is a very useful feature. I love using the smallest autofocus box to get pin-sharp focus on the area of the subject that I desire. The only downside to using the smaller box size is that it can sometimes take a bit more time to lock on focus, given the small area the camera has to work with.

Fujifilm’s subject detection has improved dramatically with humans, and has introduced subject detection for birds, dogs, cars, motorcycles and trains; this has resulted in a massive increase in the number of my keepers due to the automated subject detection. What used to take a few seconds to get the camera running, move the focus box around and then take the image, now can be reduced to less than a second. This has resulted in many more “in the moment” captures of my friends and dogs. This is a game changer for me.

However, in continuous autofocus, when I’m using subject tracking, there’s significant room for improvement for Fujifilm to match the best that Sony and Canon have on offer. The whole approach to continuous autofocus subject tracking feels like a beta product. It’s not clear what role the various focus frames have on subject tracking effectiveness and the camera’s ability to follow the subject is highly unpredictable. I lack confidence that what I’m seeing on the screen is actually being delivered in the final image.

In my testing, with an erratic moving subject like my dog, the X-T5, paired with a fast responding lens like the XF23 MK2 or XF33, can achieve ~70% focus hit rate. The A7R5 however achieves 100% hit rate, and that’s with 61MP across a larger sensor too. When using a slow responding lens like the XF56 WR, the hit rate drops to <50% at close distances and ~70% at longer distances.

It’s a disappointing performance, but still far better than the dismal results the X-T4 would achieve where subject tracking was only possible with humans or by using the wide-tracking mode which required the use of the rather large focus box.

Where the X-T5 needs to improve is its ability to track the subject while simultaneously capturing images. Somehow the lens, capturing pipeline or something else is not keeping up. In the tests, the green box was clearly tracking the dog’s eye and should have had a high hit rate, but for reasons unknown, several images ended up out of focus.

The green tracking box gives a false sense of security and is something Fujifilm needs to urgently look at. If the box is green and tracking the subject, it’s reasonable for the user to assume the captured images will be in focus. This is a poor user experience and greatly reduces confidence in the system.

When using the A7R5, I feel something magical happening. It feels like AI is not just a buzzword but something real. Fujifilm’s AI feels like marketing as I don’t see it doing anything that makes me believe it’s smarter than “if-this-then-that” logic in typical programming.

Image Quality

The 26MP APSC sensor in the X-T4 is a legendary sensor. It’s widely known that the wafer at a pixel level is similar to the one used in the Sony A7R4 and the GFX100 series. All of these cameras are renowned for their image quality, low noise and excellent dynamic range. All of this is to say the previous sensor was already excellent.

In comes the new 40MP sensor, utilizing the same back-side illuminated technology of the previous sensor. We normally expect more pixels across the same surface area to result in more noise, however Fujifilm seems to have limited the noise increase to a level that is not noticeable.

While a 54% increase in the number of pixels sounds like a lot, in reality, the linear increase is only 24%. To put this into perspective, if you were printing a super high resolution image at 300dpi of 21" x 14", the extra resolution would allow you to print 5” wider and 3.3” taller. It’s a nice increase, but not life changing. To make visualizing the difference in resolution easier, the below image is scaled so that the GFX100S is 100%, and all other cameras are relative to that.

One area that does appear to suffer however is not really image quality per se, but more the image capturing pipeline. I noticed more rolling shutter effect when in the higher resolution video modes. I haven’t been able to source sensor readout information so I can’t quantify the difference at this time.

In summary, Fujifilm has provided a useful increase in resolution, without any negatives in terms of image quality. There is however the impact on rolling shutter.

Conclusion

Expectations were high going into the X-T5 launch. Fujifilm talked up their new 40MP sensor and the improvements from the brand new AI autofocus system. I think they exceeded expectations with the new sensor but have come up short on the autofocus system.

The new sensor gives us more resolution without incurring any downsides like noise or speed impacts. Fujifilm continues to be a leader in their colour reproduction using their excellent film simulations. This, when paired with the new sensor, is a perfect pallet from which to capture your version of the world around us.

In 2022, all of the major camera manufacturers have figured out autofocus. Sony has been the leader for a long time and continues to lead; they keep going from strength to strength. Canon and Nikon have nearly caught up, especially Canon. Fujifilm does well with a static subject, but when moving, things quickly fall apart.

This is no longer acceptable and I think Fujifilm is going to start losing customers due to this. There are other differentiators that attract people to Fujifilm like the control dials, however other manufacturers have started to offer this too. Sony and Sigma now have aperture rings on their latest lenses. Shutter speed and ISO can easily be mapped to the two dials present on almost every camera. With that setup, you have all the manual controls that you could want, while having completely reliable autofocus performance.

For the past several years, when people asked me which camera they should buy, I often recommended the X-T line as the first choice and the Sony offerings if they were willing to spend more and/or were wed to the idea of a full frame sensor. Unfortunately, until Fujifilm can make some major improvements, I won’t be recommending the X-T5 to new users given the poor subject tracking autofocus performance.

It’s a shame that we’re at this point with Fujifilm. They have some of the most beautiful cameras on the market, with incredible sensors, and film simulations that make editing so easy. They have a set of jewel-like lenses with edge to edge sharpness and high image quality. They have the wonderful dials and a long history to call upon. All they need to do is to fix their autofocus performance.

If you’re an existing Fujifilm user and mostly taking images of static subjects, the X-T5 will be an excellent camera. If you’re a Fujifilm user that was hoping for a big step forward in subject tracking autofocus, you may want to consider switching to another camera brand. If you’re looking for your first camera, a Sony or Canon will certainly provide you with an easier photography experience.

For my purposes, Fujifilm didn’t deliver what I was hoping for. If there are no major improvements to the subject tracking autofocus performance via firmware updates in the near future, when it comes time to update my camera, I foresee my X-T5 being replaced with a Sony.

What I’d like to see in a future firmware update:

  1. Improved subject tracking autofocus performance that inspires confidence.
  2. An auto subject detection mode where the camera takes a best guess whether the subject is a human, animal, car, train or airplane. If that’s not possible, Fujifilm should combine the human modes with the new subject detection modes.
  3. An option to centre the focus point by clicking the focus lever (like how it’s implemented in the X-T4 and GFX 100S)

The above is an excerpt, the full review can be found here. Happy to answer any questions you may have.

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charisgratia Regular Member • Posts: 225
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fcracer wrote:

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What I’d like to see in a future firmware update:

  1. Improved subject tracking autofocus performance that inspires confidence.
  2. An auto subject detection mode where the camera takes a best guess whether the subject is a human, animal, car, train or airplane. If that’s not possible, Fujifilm should combine the human modes with the new subject detection modes.
  3. An option to centre the focus point by clicking the focus lever (like how it’s implemented in the X-T4 and GFX 100S)

#3 is already available. You have to go into your Button/Dial Settings and change the focus lever setting: Focus Lever Setting > Push > Reset to Center.

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Thanks for this, honesty is always important even moreso when it's something you don't want to hear but need to hear.

I'd like to get the X-H2 as the upgrade from my X-H1 but I'll wait to see how Fuji supports it via firmware.

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OP fcracer Senior Member • Posts: 1,632
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charisgratia wrote:

fcracer wrote:

...

What I’d like to see in a future firmware update:

  1. Improved subject tracking autofocus performance that inspires confidence.
  2. An auto subject detection mode where the camera takes a best guess whether the subject is a human, animal, car, train or airplane. If that’s not possible, Fujifilm should combine the human modes with the new subject detection modes.
  3. An option to centre the focus point by clicking the focus lever (like how it’s implemented in the X-T4 and GFX 100S)

#3 is already available. You have to go into your Button/Dial Settings and change the focus lever setting: Focus Lever Setting > Push > Reset to Center.

Unfortunately, this doesn't work the same as on the X-T4/GFX100S. I'd like the ability to click the focus lever in order to adjust the box size and then click again to centre the box. With the setting you mentioned above, the part about being able to adjust the focus box size is no longer there; when clicked, it goes straight to "reset to centre".

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charisgratia Regular Member • Posts: 225
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fcracer wrote:

charisgratia wrote:

fcracer wrote:

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What I’d like to see in a future firmware update:

  1. Improved subject tracking autofocus performance that inspires confidence.
  2. An auto subject detection mode where the camera takes a best guess whether the subject is a human, animal, car, train or airplane. If that’s not possible, Fujifilm should combine the human modes with the new subject detection modes.
  3. An option to centre the focus point by clicking the focus lever (like how it’s implemented in the X-T4 and GFX 100S)

#3 is already available. You have to go into your Button/Dial Settings and change the focus lever setting: Focus Lever Setting > Push > Reset to Center.

Unfortunately, this doesn't work the same as on the X-T4/GFX100S. I'd like the ability to click the focus lever in order to adjust the box size and then click again to centre the box. With the setting you mentioned above, the part about being able to adjust the focus box size is no longer there; when clicked, it goes straight to "reset to centre".

Ok, yes, I know what you're referring to here, and that is annoying. I have the lever set to move the focus point back to center and then a separate step is required to resize the focus box.

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Funny - I picked up the X-T5 knowing that there was no chance of it being on the same level of my Sonys for CAF/tracking. I’ve come to feel the best use for X cameras is hosting the characterful primes like the 35 1.4, 18 f2, 56 1.2 and the 90mm.

Just for fun I took it to a track day after selecting automobile as the subject with the 50-140 for some panning shots at 1/100 /125 ish. The box stayed on target but the shots were meh. Finished the outing with the A1 70-200 MKII.

I’m actually happy with the X-T5 since my expectations were not as high.

If Fuji came out with some serious tele options I’d be more hopeful but F8 at 600 isn’t going to do it for me.
Love the form factor, the controls, the non-selfie screen. EVF is good enough but not amazing.

Fingers crossed firmware updates can dial in the af. Haven’t sold the 16-55 and 50-140 yet but getting closer.
This might be my last X camera until the organic sensor / global shutter or maybe breakthrough computational capabilities are out because the T5 is fully up to the task of what I want from it.

Enjoyed the review and as always - the photos.  Anus detection.

I think the key to my happiness in Fujiland is avoiding af-c.

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fcracer wrote:

charisgratia wrote:

fcracer wrote:

...

What I’d like to see in a future firmware update:

  1. Improved subject tracking autofocus performance that inspires confidence.
  2. An auto subject detection mode where the camera takes a best guess whether the subject is a human, animal, car, train or airplane. If that’s not possible, Fujifilm should combine the human modes with the new subject detection modes.
  3. An option to centre the focus point by clicking the focus lever (like how it’s implemented in the X-T4 and GFX 100S)

#3 is already available. You have to go into your Button/Dial Settings and change the focus lever setting: Focus Lever Setting > Push > Reset to Center.

Unfortunately, this doesn't work the same as on the X-T4/GFX100S. I'd like the ability to click the focus lever in order to adjust the box size and then click again to centre the box. With the setting you mentioned above, the part about being able to adjust the focus box size is no longer there; when clicked, it goes straight to "reset to centre".

Not sure if you're aware, but if you hit disp back any time the focus square it green it will recenter it.  Maybe not the best implementation since it's now a separate button push, but at least it's there.

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RobertMachin Contributing Member • Posts: 531
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Where the X-T5 needs to improve is its ability to track the subject while simultaneously capturing images. Somehow the lens, capturing pipeline or something else is not keeping up. In the tests, the green box was clearly tracking the dog’s eye and should have had a high hit rate, but for reasons unknown, several images ended up out of focus.

The green tracking box gives a false sense of security and is something Fujifilm needs to urgently look at. If the box is green and tracking the subject, it’s reasonable for the user to assume the captured images will be in focus. This is a poor user experience and greatly reduces confidence in the system.

You're hitting the nail on the head here. Couldn't agree more.

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Rod McD Veteran Member • Posts: 8,589
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Hi,

Thanks - a thoughtful review.  I'm still using my one year old XT4 and have been watching the XH2 and XT5 threads closely.

Your review and personal directions hang a lot on AF.   That's fine - different aspects will appeal to different people.  I don't personally place as much emphasis on AF competence in challenging situations rather than a balanced suite of good attributes and decent AF in more routine uses.  I guess I'm in the 'largely static' group of users that you mention who might find the XT4/5 fine.  I suspect there's a lot of us.

If I were to change  - or add - a direction, it would be to become a dual system user with either a GFX50 (given that I can't afford or justify the GFX100)  or a Sony A7R4.   Sony appeals as the FF system of choice simply because I have access to lenses  - I'd only need a body.  Sometimes one has to experiment and answer all these questions for oneself.

Regards, Rod

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OP fcracer Senior Member • Posts: 1,632
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Meeces wrote:

Not sure if you're aware, but if you hit disp back any time the focus square it green it will recenter it. Maybe not the best implementation since it's now a separate button push, but at least it's there.

Thanks Matt. That is indeed what I've been using since getting the X-T5. It's actually becoming second nature, which then poses an issue when I go back to using my GFX100S or X100V. I wish Fujifilm would stick to one user interface or give us a full set of options to configure it how we want. Thanks again for the tip as I'm sure it will help others that didn't know about the "disp/back" shortcut.

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Rod McD wrote:

Hi,

Thanks - a thoughtful review. I'm still using my one year old XT4 and have been watching the XH2 and XT5 threads closely.

Your review and personal directions hang a lot on AF. That's fine - different aspects will appeal to different people. I don't personally place as much emphasis on AF competence in challenging situations rather than a balanced suite of good attributes and decent AF in more routine uses. I guess I'm in the 'largely static' group of users that you mention who might find the XT4/5 fine. I suspect there's a lot of us.

If I were to change - or add - a direction, it would be to become a dual system user with either a GFX50 (given that I can't afford or justify the GFX100) or a Sony A7R4. Sony appeals as the FF system of choice simply because I have access to lenses - I'd only need a body. Sometimes one has to experiment and answer all these questions for oneself.

Regards, Rod

You've got it right on. The X-T5 was supposed to be my AF camera because I have the GFX100S for high resolution (I don't care about AF tracking on that camera although I would love to have the the XT5's subject detection), the X100V for fun use and an M11 for when I want to get really intimate with the photography process.

A dual system sounds like a good idea at this time, but I do wonder if you'd ever take the X-T out if you have an A7R4. There isn't that much of a size difference if you use the new set of Sigma or Sony lenses on the Sony and the new set of XF lenses on the Fuji. Certainly, the Fuji setup will be lighter and smaller, but not by that much.

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Went through the same thought process the past month and now have a A7RV in my hands.

Still keeping my Fuji lenses/gear in hopes maybe a X-T6/H3 will hit all the right checkmarks without some fine print asterisk note.

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I own both XH2s and XH2

The XH2 AFis quite good provided you  set different parameters . The CFGx, the type of AFC : single point , size, zone, the fps (in my experience optimal is 3 to 5 fps) then how is the subject in the frame.

That said for real AF speed performance the XH2s is much better.

In fact the XH2 AF system can achieve quite good results once you found the settings to different situations. These can be saved in 7 configs. There is both a learning curve and an initial work. After the results of AF are good, even if some other cameras are better suited for tracking and fast AF.

The H2s is an amazing camera allowing nearly permanent use of ES without black out, nearly no rolling shutter effect. Ask your bank some more bucks !

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Rod McD Veteran Member • Posts: 8,589
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fcracer wrote:

Rod McD wrote:

Hi,

Thanks - a thoughtful review. I'm still using my one year old XT4 and have been watching the XH2 and XT5 threads closely.

Your review and personal directions hang a lot on AF. That's fine - different aspects will appeal to different people. I don't personally place as much emphasis on AF competence in challenging situations rather than a balanced suite of good attributes and decent AF in more routine uses. I guess I'm in the 'largely static' group of users that you mention who might find the XT4/5 fine. I suspect there's a lot of us.

If I were to change - or add - a direction, it would be to become a dual system user with either a GFX50 (given that I can't afford or justify the GFX100) or a Sony A7R4. Sony appeals as the FF system of choice simply because I have access to lenses - I'd only need a body. Sometimes one has to experiment and answer all these questions for oneself.

Regards, Rod

You've got it right on. The X-T5 was supposed to be my AF camera because I have the GFX100S for high resolution (I don't care about AF tracking on that camera although I would love to have the the XT5's subject detection), the X100V for fun use and an M11 for when I want to get really intimate with the photography process.

A dual system sounds like a good idea at this time, but I do wonder if you'd ever take the X-T out if you have an A7R4. There isn't that much of a size difference if you use the new set of Sigma or Sony lenses on the Sony and the new set of XF lenses on the Fuji. Certainly, the Fuji setup will be lighter and smaller, but not by that much.

Yes, there was a time when the Sony and Sigma lenses were trending to monstrous - it put me off FF completely.  Today, some of those small, light (f1.8, f2, f2.5) Sony G, Samyang, Sigma DGDN and Tamron lenses for FE mount are very good and may be game-changers for those interested in a very light kit.  Certainly the specific lenses that you put together set the kit weight more than the body.  There's not much in it any more unless you minimize and buy something like the XE4.

Regards, Rod

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Very thoughtful review. I’m actually surprised you haven’t (yet) been accused of user error or “not understanding the menu settings” etc. I think for a camera at this price point in 2022 it’s reasonable to expect accurate and reliable AF-C performance that is competitive with the competition. From what I have seen it’s only the X-H2s that comes close to achieving that. This is why I use Sony for wildlife, sports and action- not that Fuji can’t do it - rather that Sony’s AF makes it easier so that you can then concentrate on composition and exposure rather than experimenting with endless different AF menu settings trying to find one that works.

I’m saying this as a Fuji fan btw who has been a Fuji user since the original x100.

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Fuji X-H2S with fast auto-focusing stacking sensor recommended by users. However Fuji X-T5 with 40mp sensor only selling more based on lower price. XT-3 owners like myself caught in no-mans land of either advancing to XH higher-ground or going in reverse with X-T4 while still available. Fuji APS-C cameras had the advantage of being cheaper than SONY full-frame cameras. Less so these days. Fuji know their customers. But some Fuji camera owners not so sure about the future of Fuji XT cameras.

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Canon is reinvesting the APSc range (R7) and Sony also. So I won't worry about the future of AOPSc cameras, particularly Fuji. The Xt5 has not a better AF system than XT4 per se, BUT it brings the facility and comfort of subject recognition that works perfectly (on my XH2) which results in more keepers or shots that you missed previously.

And it brings a better sensor. So are there reasons to complain ?

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Eugene A Regular Member • Posts: 101
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Marco Cinnirella wrote:

Very thoughtful review. I’m actually surprised you haven’t (yet) been accused of user error or “not understanding the menu settings” etc. I think for a camera at this price point in 2022 it’s reasonable to expect accurate and reliable AF-C performance that is competitive with the competition. From what I have seen it’s only the X-H2s that comes close to achieving that. This is why I use Sony for wildlife, sports and action- not that Fuji can’t do it - rather that Sony’s AF makes it easier so that you can then concentrate on composition and exposure rather than experimenting with endless different AF menu settings trying to find one that works.

I’m saying this as a Fuji fan btw who has been a Fuji user since the original x100.

Only a handful of frequent forum users appear to be in defensive mode, some of them probably don't even have the X-T5. It can suddenly turn into bullying which is shameful to be honest. There is nothing civil about it.

People on the upgrade to X-T5 are looking for answers and this denial pattern doesn't help.

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I have posted a lot of infos related to my 2 cameras XH2 and XH2s

I stillsay that many so called reviewers don't take enough time to know how to seriously use a camera. it is clear that the Fuji AF system needs more configs than others but it does not mean it is bad.

from my experience from my 2 bodies I can say the XH2s AF is excellent, the XH2 AF is good to very good, with the mention that it should not be handeld like the XH2s to give good results. For optimal results I use 3 to 5 fps or no burst at all and shoot each time I desire as following the tracking. In this pratice I get 90% tack sharp shots. In bursts around 60 to 70%. Which I identify IMO as a quite good results If YMMD, then the Xh2 might not be the ideal choice it is that simple. Then Fuji and others have alternatives to meet one's needs or preferences.

Again comparing XT4 and Xt5, the new one has an AF with similar performance BUT brings comfort and facility of excellent tracking, PLUs the 40 megapix sensor.

No excess of "fanboyism", just trying to develop a clear view about what Fuji actually offers.

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Re: Fujifilm X-T5 First Impressions Review
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For optimal results I use 3 to 5 fps or no burst at all and shoot each time I desire as following the tracking. In this pratice I get 90% tack sharp shots. In bursts around 60 to 70%.

Using low frames per second and no bursting is basically telling folks to leave their cameras in AF-S. I mainly do wildlife photography, street, and family portraits. It has been a disappointment with AF-C. I started out with the X-T20 and now have the X-T3. Face/eye-autodetect is much improved but the improvements in tracking weren't ground breaking.

Fuji needs to simplify the autofocus options for their users. I don't have time to keep switching between custom AF-C configs every time a different bird pops in the frame. I've tried every possible combination and the keeper rate is low. Also, they need to improve their autofocus algorithms and not just increase processing power.

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