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3D viewing on plain 4K monitor with 1ms FreeSync?

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DynV
DynV Junior Member • Posts: 38
3D viewing on plain 4K monitor with 1ms FreeSync?

I have a 3D camera with an attachable viewer but looking at its 3D content uses about the same battery as taking it; I'd rather use the battery the least possible as I know it has a limited # of cycles. I've looked for affordable 3D viewing, both VR headset and monitors, in vain. I know there's non-dedicated solution like Google Cardboard but I don't know its effectiveness.

I've been thinking that even though my FreeSync 4K monitor with 1ms response, a U28E590D, is not made for viewing 3D that maybe there's a way for my SBS (side-by-side) 3D content to be shown in 3D on it since the bottom half of it is free to display something else during that viewing, as it's currently doing (another window content or the rotating background of my desktop), and that bottom half could be showing an indicator for which eye is to be hidden and that 3D polarizing glasses would detect it and act accordingly. So that after installing the 3D polarizing glasses driver or 3D viewing software, viewing the 3D content without those glasses the bottom would be showing switching content from black to another color (ie white), through the 3D polarizing glasses the bottom would only be black.

I assume since the total response time for the 3D content would be 2ms, that it would be slower than with a specialized 3D monitor, I could just move my head & eyes slower and doing so would result in something quite close to if I'd move as slow on a monitor made for 3D viewing.

Thank you kindly for your assistance

Update 1

For an example of the content I referred to, see the playlist SBS 3D of my channel.

3D Gunner Senior Member • Posts: 1,031
Re: 3D viewing on plain 4K monitor with 1ms FreeSync?

My opinion:
- "Google Cardboard" type solutions are very effective in terms of 3D perception. There are a lot of complex variants of devices that use phone screens, but the essential condition is that those screens have high resolution, at least 2560x1440 pixels for basic quality, with Sony phones with 4K screens being preferable.
- The best solutions are those with VR devices. Just for viewing pictures and movies, no controllers and other accessories are needed, in which case prices can be reasonable. Example: Meta - Quest 2, 1,832 × 1,920 (3.5MP) per-eye, LCD (1x), price 350 USD.
- For non 3D screens, the simplest solution is with mirrored glasses that separate one half of the screen for each eye.

Stereo Wide-View (Mirror-Scope) Viewer for Print and Monitor Viewing

DynV
OP DynV Junior Member • Posts: 38
Re: 3D viewing on plain 4K monitor with 1ms FreeSync?

3D Gunner wrote:

- "Google Cardboard" type solutions are very effective in terms of 3D perception. There are a lot of complex variants of devices that use phone screens, but the essential condition is that those screens have high resolution, at least 2560x1440 pixels for basic quality, with Sony phones with 4K screens being preferable.

The cell I use as a mini-tablet (since I don't have cell connection) is only 720p, so it seems that's not a decent option.

3D Gunner wrote:

- The best solutions are those with VR devices. Just for viewing pictures and movies, no controllers and other accessories are needed, in which case prices can be reasonable. Example: Meta - Quest 2, 1,832 × 1,920 (3.5MP) per-eye, LCD (1x), price 350 USD.

That's definitely out of my price-range.

3D Gunner wrote:

- For non 3D screens, the simplest solution is with mirrored glasses that separate one half of the screen for each eye.

Stereo Wide-View (Mirror-Scope) Viewer for Print and Monitor Viewing

Is that amongst the best quality-price ratio? I could go for something cheaper or more expensive if it has a better cost–performance ratio.

3D Gunner Senior Member • Posts: 1,031
Re: 3D viewing on plain 4K monitor with 1ms FreeSync?

In my opinion, for low budget, the best quality/price is obtained with the old formula with Red-Cyan/Blue/Blue-Green glasses, and quality images plus high resolution screen (4k for example), but the glasses should be of good quality (not paper glasses), in the Red/Blue-Green version.

The quality of the depth separation is proportional to the resolution of the image, the resolution of presentation system, the size and the overall image quality.

This is for you. For storage and online presentation the SBS solution is preferable and each user can manage.

Or you can learn how to see SBS images in cross-view mode, with no investments at all.

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Among the cheap and spectacular solutions, you can use a device like in the attached picture (there are a lot of variants at a wide variety of prices) to which you attach an old LG G4 smartphone that can be found at SH for prices starting under 100USD.
This phone has a 2560x144o pixel resolution screen, head-tracking orientation sensors, decodes 4k video and you can view high resolution images (>70MP 360*/180* VR), depending on the application used, etc. That's a concrete example at ~100USD, there are many other combinations available.

Brian F Flint
Brian F Flint Regular Member • Posts: 184
Re: 3D viewing on plain 4K monitor with 1ms FreeSync?

A low cost way of viewing side by side parallel images/clips is using the

Loreo pixi 3D viewer - cost is less than $20

https://www.amazon.com/3D-Pixi-Loreo-Viewer-Hands-Free/dp/B07XC38YMW

It works on side by side images with a size of between 7 inches and 17 inches. This is the overall side dimension of the left and right image. So you could view your side by side stereo image on a mini tablet ( assuming the display is around 7 inches wide ) or your 4K monitor. On the 4K monitor you may have to size the image/clip so it is not too large. I have a few of these and use it all the time for viewing parallel stereo images. It gives good results. Sometimes I print my stereo parallel images onto a 7x5 inch card and use this viewer on these.

If the image/clip is cross-view then I don't need the viewer, I just view the image using the crossview method.

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Elchtest
Elchtest New Member • Posts: 4
Re: 3D viewing on plain 4K monitor with 1ms FreeSync?

A few thoughts and personal opinion:

Monitor: the 1 ms is referring to the latency. You cannot show 1000 different images per second on it. It will be limited to e.g. 144 Hz. With no support built-in, trying to get this to work seems like a lot of wasted time and I would not be sure that it even works without hacking display drivers in crude ways and modifying the display itself.

Quest 2: this would be my recommendation for watching 3D photos. The price is reasonable, lower than many cameras. If the price is still too high, you could watch for used models or go to Quest 1 - which has a bit lower specs, but for watching 3D it would still be okay to get one for $100 or $150 in my opinion.

Google Cardboard and other slide-in smartphone options: I recommend against it. How would you watch the 3D images? If you just show it side-by-side in fullscreen then the distortions from the lenses are not compensated for and it will look bad. Don't count on any of the old Google Cardboard apps. Almost everything has been removed from the Google Play store. How would one switch from one image to the next without controllers? A used Quest 1 will be better in all cases!

Anaglyph: the cheapest solution, if you don't get headaches and eye strain from it. Might be good for previewing, but in the end, the full experience will only be possible in full color.

DynV
OP DynV Junior Member • Posts: 38
Re: 3D viewing on plain 4K monitor with 1ms FreeSync?

Elchtest wrote:

Monitor: the 1 ms is referring to the latency. You cannot show 1000 different images per second on it. It will be limited to e.g. 144 Hz. With no support built-in, trying to get this to work seems like a lot of wasted time and I would not be sure that it even works without hacking display drivers in crude ways and modifying the display itself.

What about the proposal by another responder?

3D Gunner wrote:

- For non 3D screens, the simplest solution is with mirrored glasses that separate one half of the screen for each eye.

Stereo Wide-View (Mirror-Scope) Viewer for Print and Monitor Viewing

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Elchtest wrote:

Anaglyph: the cheapest solution, if you don't get headaches and eye strain from it. Might be good for previewing, but in the end, the full experience will only be possible in full color.

I tried some SBS to anaglyph software and online services and the 3D effect of some were not too far from when I use the camera 3D viewer, some were--bad--, even the better ones were inconsistent in their quality depending on the video. It seems to me I'd have to narrow the top ones then for every video try them all to see which one give the best result, if so it's a hassle. I don't mind the color for my own viewing, I just want to experience the 3D effect; for the color I can just watch in 2D (1 of the 2 sides), which I currently do.

3D Gunner Senior Member • Posts: 1,031
Re: 3D viewing on plain 4K monitor with 1ms FreeSync?
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DynV wrote:

some were--bad--, even the better ones were inconsistent in their quality depending on the video.

3d anaglyph in video is a very delicate situation, another story.

The quality of the anaglyphs (assuming they are constructed correctly) depends very much on the compression level and the compression mode.
So if uncompressed images (even in video) look perfect (in 3D), later compression and compression mode can destroy the final image.

For example, if a 3D anagliph video clip is created and uploaded to YouTube in an inappropriate format (regarding the codec and applied compression), the clip is automatically reconverted before it is available for viewing and as a result may be completely compromised.

Joseph S Wisniewski Forum Pro • Posts: 35,462
Not possible, because…

DynV wrote:

I have a 3D camera with an attachable viewer but looking at its 3D content uses about the same battery as taking it; I'd rather use the battery the least possible as I know it has a limited # of cycles. I've looked for affordable 3D viewing, both VR headset and monitors, in vain. I know there's non-dedicated solution like Google Cardboard but I don't know its effectiveness.

I've been thinking that even though my FreeSync 4K monitor with 1ms response, a U28E590D, is not made for viewing 3D that maybe there's a way for my SBS (side-by-side) 3D content to be shown in 3D on it since the bottom half of it is free to display something else during that viewing, as it's currently doing (another window content or the rotating background of my desktop), and that bottom half could be showing an indicator for which eye is to be hidden and that 3D polarizing glasses would detect it and act accordingly.

The polarizing shutter glasses react to either an infrared trigger pulse (Samsung, older Sharp) or a proprietary 2.4GHz signal (newer Sharp). You need a monitor that supports backlight strobing, because your 1mS freesync has way more than 1mS persistence, a quad buffered video card (not cheap) that supports sending trigger pulses to the glasses, and older drivers (nVidia, for example, stopped adding sequential 3D support to their monitors around 2019.

So that after installing the 3D polarizing glasses driver or 3D viewing software, viewing the 3D content without those glasses the bottom would be showing switching content from black to another color (ie white), through the 3D polarizing glasses the bottom would only be black.

You would have to build a device that could target the bottom of the screen and then rebroadcast the sync signal in a format compatible with your glasses.

I assume since the total response time for the 3D content would be 2ms, that it would be slower than with a specialized 3D monitor,

That assumption is both correct and incorrect. Good 3D monitors have strobed backlights, so they could even be 8mS response and be just fine.

I could just move my head & eyes slower and doing so would result in something quite close to if I'd move as slow on a monitor made for 3D viewing.

You lost me.

Thank you kindly for your assistance

Update 1

For an example of the content I referred to, see the playlist SBS 3D of my channel.

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DynV
OP DynV Junior Member • Posts: 38
Re: Not possible, because…

Would someone recommend me a cheap 3D monitor (even if require matching eyewear and is a television <= 32" and watching it without the required eyewear looks bad (the least of these the better)), even used with a warranty (even if only 30 days) ?

3D Gunner Senior Member • Posts: 1,031
Is Possible...

I did some tests with a stereoscopic viewer and managed to get an alternating image at 30Hz/eye frequency, because the TV is 4k/60Hz.

No need for a stereoscopic driver, the viewer fixes everything to work with Shutter Glasses, but the problem with the sync mode remains. You need to study what kind of glasses you need to work with one of the 3 sync modes available in the viewer.

So it's really simple to use a non 3D 4K TV with Shutter Glasses, it just needs to be compatible with a certain sync mode... The problem needs some research. 🙂

This is the image used for the test. The viewer accepts images in any 3D format.

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