old rebel with ef 20 f/2.8

This is probably the camera and lens combo responsible for me owning EOS R with RF 35 and 3 Ms with EF-M 22 mm.

taken with original EOS 5D and slightly broken EF 24 mm f/1.4 wayback in 2011.

This is less off topic because EF 20 f/2.8 is about the same size as 85/1.8 and the body is only around 1 cm narrower than EOS R.

Of course my beloved M6 mk I is much smaller in every direction.

KEG wrote:

This is probably the camera and lens combo responsible for me owning EOS R with RF 35 and 3 Ms with EF-M 22 mm.

taken with original EOS 5D and slightly broken EF 24 mm f/1.4 wayback in 2011.

This is less off topic because EF 20 f/2.8 is about the same size as 85/1.8 and the body is only around 1 cm narrower than EOS R.

Of course my beloved M6 mk I is much smaller in every direction.

I had a 20 f2.8 also! 

Which one is it?

R2D2 wrote:

Which one is it?

Canon EOS 1000D aka Rebel XS, its greatest strength was that it had the 40D sensor.

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MAC wrote:

KEG wrote:

This is probably the camera and lens combo responsible for me owning EOS R with RF 35 and 3 Ms with EF-M 22 mm.

taken with original EOS 5D and slightly broken EF 24 mm f/1.4 wayback in 2011.

This is less off topic because EF 20 f/2.8 is about the same size as 85/1.8 and the body is only around 1 cm narrower than EOS R.

Of course my beloved M6 mk I is much smaller in every direction.

I had a 20 f2.8 also!

Lovely lens, rather weak on 12 MP ff but excellent on crop.

You have 3x M with 3x 22mm lens? 🤔

KEG wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

Which one is it?

Canon EOS 1000D aka Rebel XS, its greatest strength was that it had the 40D sensor.

I had a 650D (T4i) for a year that produced brilliant photos when used within its capabilities.  Enjoyed the heck out of it…

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This camera (Rebel T4i) is what confirmed to me that you didn’t always need a cutting edge camera to produce great images.

R2

Maxmolly7 wrote:

You have 3x M with 3x 22mm lens? 🤔

I wish, but I have 3 Ms and only one 22 mm!

1 22mm is good enough!
However, I am sure that we will see a lot of used M-gear flooding the used market early next year.

I have my M6 up for sale now since 2 month with little or, any "real" interest.

I really should post a pic but somehow ef 85 mm fits better on a M6 mk II than R.

Why will a large number of cameras flow into the second-hand market next year?:-O

Will efm reduce the price in full swing? Is there enough supply based on r7r10?

If the 2 new R bodies are going to be the roumered small bodies, then I expect many M owners to jump ship.

Maxmolly7 wrote:

If the 2 new R bodies are going to be the roumered small bodies, then I expect many M owners to jump ship.

I don’t. There are way too few RF-S lenses yet to shoot with! Certainly not any with the advanced and unique capabilities that we now already enjoy with EF-M.

Maybe throw a fast (f/2.8) RF-S standard zoom into the mix and then you might change the equation. Certainly not one with nearly the size and cost of the RF 15-35 that I just bought however! It would instead need the price and form factor of that new APS-C 18-50 Sigma. Chances of that happening though?!

Or maybe Canon could replicate ALL of the great primes we’re using now, then you’d maybe have the equivalent of what we can shoot with currently. But we all know Canon isn’t going to do that (or allow 3rd party to). That kind of capability would threaten their lucrative FF sales!

So IMHO a great new (little) RF-S body would really appeal more to the newbies out there with their kit lenses than the advanced shooters typical of these forums.

Honestly I think this reality is the reason why so many of us are actually doubling down on our M’s right now. Get one now or never folks!

R2

Maxmolly7 wrote:

If the 2 new R bodies are going to be the roumered small bodies, then I expect many M owners to jump ship.

I look at R50 and R100 as an interesting means of giving my RF 16 more to do.

R with RF 35 and R100 with RF 16 is one sweet combo,

Also if RF-S 22 mm f/2.0 will feature silent AF I would def get one as a video lens for my R.

Sittatunga wrote:

Maxmolly7 wrote:

If the 2 new R bodies are going to be the roumered small bodies, then I expect many M owners to jump ship.

The ones who are too invested in EOS M (half a dozen EF-M lenses, say) won't jump until their cameras die or get to be too much trouble to use. The ones who bought EOS M as a small companion to a full-frame Canon camera collection (which I thought was Canon's original intention for EOS M when I bought mine) will only do so if the RF mount bodies are very much smaller and more attractive and keenly priced. Even then, they are likely to be well into EOS R before they make the move. I've been using EOS R for four years (mainly with EF lenses) and my two RF lenses are the ones which are most suited to crop mount but I'm still not tempted.

Quite a few people here have announced their intentions to buy an M6II instead. That's a camera I've always found too ambitious, big and expensive for what I want from EOS M,

M3: 111 x 68 x 44 mm (4.37 x 2.68 x 1.73″)

M6 mk I: 112 x 68 x 45 mm (4.41 x 2.68 x 1.77″)

M6 mk II: 120 x 70 x 49 mm (4.72 x 2.76 x 1.93″)

Not a huge difference and they are all tiny relatively speaking.

M6 mk II also seems to be almost to mm the same size as the Powershot G2 (121 x 77 x 64 mm (4.76 x 3.03 x 2.52″))

but you can see why they would do that, when you compare its price with the R7's. But the biggest stumbling block is the lenses. The widest lenses for the crop cameras are full-frame lenses. People talk about possible f/2.8 crop format zooms but the only one Canon ever made for stills cameras came out in 2006, six years before the EOS 6D. Its still in the catalogue but I think Canon learned a lesson from it. Crop format long lenses make little sense when Canon have more full-frame cameras than crop cameras using the same mount.

Sittatunga wrote:

KEG wrote:

Sittatunga wrote:

Maxmolly7 wrote:

If the 2 new R bodies are going to be the roumered small bodies, then I expect many M owners to jump ship.

The ones who are too invested in EOS M (half a dozen EF-M lenses, say) won't jump until their cameras die or get to be too much trouble to use. The ones who bought EOS M as a small companion to a full-frame Canon camera collection (which I thought was Canon's original intention for EOS M when I bought mine) will only do so if the RF mount bodies are very much smaller and more attractive and keenly priced. Even then, they are likely to be well into EOS R before they make the move. I've been using EOS R for four years (mainly with EF lenses) and my two RF lenses are the ones which are most suited to crop mount but I'm still not tempted.

Quite a few people here have announced their intentions to buy an M6II instead. That's a camera I've always found too ambitious, big and expensive for what I want from EOS M,

M3: 111 x 68 x 44 mm (4.37 x 2.68 x 1.73″)

M6 mk I: 112 x 68 x 45 mm (4.41 x 2.68 x 1.77″)

M6 mk II: 120 x 70 x 49 mm (4.72 x 2.76 x 1.93″)

Not a huge difference and they are all tiny relatively speaking.

Still significantly bigger than my EOS M, M2, M10 and M100.

All 3 are smaller than the SX60 HS that I own, which is kind of remarkable fact in itself.

M6 mk II also seems to be almost to mm the same size as the Powershot G2 (121 x 77 x 64 mm (4.76 x 3.03 x 2.52″))

That's an awful lot bigger than my PowerShot S95 with the same sized sensor. My EOS R is 136 x 98 x 84mm with 22¼x the sensor area.

G2 also could use an external flash, that puts some lower limit on how small the camera can get.

I also think that the first G series where prototypes for the look and feel of the future Ms and Rs.

but you can see why they would do that, when you compare its price with the R7's. But the biggest stumbling block is the lenses. The widest lenses for the crop cameras are full-frame lenses. People talk about possible f/2.8 crop format zooms but the only one Canon ever made for stills cameras came out in 2006, six years before the EOS 6D. Its still in the catalogue but I think Canon learned a lesson from it. Crop format long lenses make little sense when Canon have more full-frame cameras than crop cameras using the same mount.

I am with you on this!