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Separate system for macro use?

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Pansottin
Pansottin Contributing Member • Posts: 501
Separate system for macro use?

Hello, I use the Canon MP-E 65mm that does 5:1, with a Kipon adapter, but with a small vignette, on the GFX50R.

I have several classic Zeiss ZE (including the 100mm Makro-planar) that I use with the same adapter and I even use Fuji Mcex tubes with them, but a bit of vignetting too.

I use the GF120mm (a closeup lens; it's not a 1:1 macro) and the Mcex 18 & 45 tubes.

Try to do macro and everything else with the GFX50R, but in the case of the macro I find the limitations I mentioned.
For macro I consider the possibility of using a Fuji XH2.

Doubts:
1. The APS-C sensor won't have the detail and dynamic range of the GFX, but is it good enough for macro? I assume so .-) but I would like to have concrete feedback from users.

2. Can problems arise between full frame lenses like the ones I have from 1999-2012 and the 40 megapixel aps-c sensor? Discrepancy between lens capacity and pixel pitch of this sensor? Images with loss of sharpness?

3. Are Fuji X macro lenses any good? I'd rather get user reviews than many of the online reviews, which are so often biased.

4. Other non Fuji X macro lenses, for the APS-C?

5. What obvious advantages can you point to the use of the APS-C or Full Frame sensor versus the GFX MF?

One last note: I can go back to Canon APS-C or Full Frame for macro as long as the sensors are better than they were. I used Canon FF between 2009 and 2020 and they leave a lot to be desired .-( I don't know the new ones.

All opinions are welcome. Thank you all.

Regards.

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SigmaTog
SigmaTog Senior Member • Posts: 1,114
Re: Separate system for macro use?

I am gob-smacked with the results some are getting with their phones & macro lens.
I don't understand why they are so good ?

meow
meow Veteran Member • Posts: 5,752
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Take a look at the oneofone25's macro work. He use Olympus equipment. I'd say sensor size isn't a major issue.

https://www.dpreview.com/members/4664472364/forums/threads

In the case of oneofone I'd say he's skill is at a level mortals can only dream about. Those hand stacked sand grains... I can't fathom how he does it.

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Pansottin
OP Pansottin Contributing Member • Posts: 501
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meow wrote:

Take a look at the oneofone25's macro work. He use Olympus equipment. I'd say sensor size isn't a major issue.

https://www.dpreview.com/members/4664472364/forums/threads

In the case of oneofone I'd say he's skill is at a level mortals can only dream about. Those hand stacked sand grains... I can't fathom how he does it.

Thanks. I will take a look .-)

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Eniigma_21
Eniigma_21 Senior Member • Posts: 1,134
Re: Separate system for macro use?

Pansottin wrote:

1. The APS-C sensor won't have the detail and dynamic range of the GFX, but is it good enough for macro? I assume so .-) but I would like to have concrete feedback from users.

I dont think sensor detail is a problem for macro. Lenses play a more important role. Dynamic range isnt an issue if you use flash.

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Pansottin
OP Pansottin Contributing Member • Posts: 501
Re: Separate system for macro use?

Eniigma_21 wrote:

Pansottin wrote:

1. The APS-C sensor won't have the detail and dynamic range of the GFX, but is it good enough for macro? I assume so .-) but I would like to have concrete feedback from users.

I dont think sensor detail is a problem for macro. Lenses play a more important role. Dynamic range isnt an issue if you use flash.

I do use flash.

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macrouser
macrouser Senior Member • Posts: 3,979
Re: Separate system for macro use?

If you are not using the full width of the censer for the macro picture and cropping the image, then the vignetting is not a problem.

I use a Sony 7RIII and often find even at the most magnification I can get, the subject is still so small that I have to crop a lot.

This fly is small and I cropped a lot.

From the antenna to the tip of the wings is three mm.

This was using an FE 90mm macro lens from Sony with a five diopter lens on the front.  That gives me a possible 1.8 to 1 magnification.   Even so, the amount of cropping is extreme on a full frame censer.

If you are photographing something like a painting and need extra high resolution, you can probably do better with a very high quality longer lens.

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oneofone25
oneofone25 Senior Member • Posts: 1,586
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Pansottin wrote:

meow wrote:

Take a look at the oneofone25's macro work. He use Olympus equipment. I'd say sensor size isn't a major issue.

https://www.dpreview.com/members/4664472364/forums/threads

In the case of oneofone I'd say he's skill is at a level mortals can only dream about. Those hand stacked sand grains... I can't fathom how he does it.

Thanks. I will take a look .-)

Any questions let me know!  I answer anything and everything....(except the EXACT location of my sand pocket near Bandon, Oregon)

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BBbuilder467 Veteran Member • Posts: 7,057
Re: Separate system for macro use?

I'd be considering the image size and aspect ratio. I think the Medium Format has a 4:3 aspect ratio and 44mm sensor width. The apsc would produce about twice the image size using the same lens and magnification, but also be 3:2 aspect ratio.

The micro 4/3 gets 17.3mm x 13mm in frame at 1:1. It takes about 2.5:1 with the MF to do that.

jim mij Senior Member • Posts: 1,027
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meow wrote:

Take a look at the oneofone25's macro work. He use Olympus equipment. I'd say sensor size isn't a major issue.

https://www.dpreview.com/members/4664472364/forums/threads

In the case of oneofone I'd say he's skill is at a level mortals can only dream about. Those hand stacked sand grains... I can't fathom how he does it.

I’d agree, the person behind the viewfinder who perceives and sets up the shot seems able to produce results on any gear

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jim mij Senior Member • Posts: 1,027
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I saw a vid the other day (Allan wells) comparing ff vs apsc for macro, same lens for both, both resulted in the subject being the same size, but the ff had a lot of wasted space around the subject, hence had to be cropped.

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jim mij Senior Member • Posts: 1,027
Re: Separate system for macro use?

It Must be that time of year, dark nights and nothing to photograph, I’m also considering gear and have been looking at the recent Fuji cameras, etc

but ultimately if I was starting again I’d be after a better lens, eg 2 :1 Laowa and then which sensor/camera

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macrouser
macrouser Senior Member • Posts: 3,979
Re: Separate system for macro use?

That is exactly right.  I have found that latter generations of sensors produce sharper images.

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