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Studio Shot Comparison Tool Fujifilm X-H2S

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Dragonmatrix88 New Member • Posts: 5
Studio Shot Comparison Tool Fujifilm X-H2S

I am using the studio comparison tool to look at the Fujifilm X-H2S camera and compare it to the OM Systems OM-1, Canon EOS R6 and Nikon Z6II and looking at the comparisons it looks like the fuji is creating very soft images.  Either this or it is very slightly out of focus, does anyone have any experience with the X-H2S compared to any of those other cameras that can confirm which it is?  I have looked at both the RAW and JPEG versions and see the same thing.  A few places where this is very evident (at least to me) would be on the Beatles patch just to the left of center of the comparison tool, the stitching seems much less defined and softer.  Another place to look would be the paint brushes on the upper left and lower right of the comparison tool, the bristles seem softer and less defined than any of the other cameras.  Or is it maybe just me?

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Kaoticphoto Regular Member • Posts: 379
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it's not just you, but it's adobe (for the raw part at least)

The only solution is to process X-trans in C1 or DXO, or preprocess (as i do) RAF in Iridient transformer or even better in Dxo PureRaw2 to have a good DNG to import in ACR or LR

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OP Dragonmatrix88 New Member • Posts: 5
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Kaoticphoto wrote:

give a look at a correctly processed file

https://www.kaotic.it/FILES_CLIENTS/DSCF0173-RAF_DxO_DeepPRIME-2.jpg

That is so much better!  Helps with making the decision for sure, thanks!

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Antique Eruption
Antique Eruption Regular Member • Posts: 167
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Kaoticphoto wrote:

it's not just you, but it's adobe (for the raw part at least)

The only solution is to process X-trans in C1 or DXO, or preprocess (as i do) RAF in Iridient transformer or even better in Dxo PureRaw2 to have a good DNG to import in ACR or LR

If a photographer was to use this same process with a raw file from a Bayer sensor, would they see an improvement beyond what they'd get from an X-Trans raw file? Or do they both arrive at the same place? Open question.

And-roid
And-roid Senior Member • Posts: 3,208
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Dragonmatrix88 wrote:

Kaoticphoto wrote:

give a look at a correctly processed file

https://www.kaotic.it/FILES_CLIENTS/DSCF0173-RAF_DxO_DeepPRIME-2.jpg

That is so much better! Helps with making the decision for sure, thanks!

"Base" Lr raw conversion can be very soft with X-Trans, as you've noticed. A middle ground for DPR would be to use Capture One for their Fuji results, they are very quick with their updates now for new cameras, built-in lens profiles are applied as well and it will remove 99%+ of the softness many people complain about and notice! It's slightly unfair to keep portraying Fuji in this way imo.

The dxo conversion is a new option and high iso conversions are very "clean" but even if used as plug-in, eg the deep prime or the PL5/6 full suite it takes longer for Dxo to introduce new camera-lens support. Also, it might be a pain for DPR to use and manage and high-light shadow recovery is not as flexible as Lr or C1, so C1 would be a great compromise for DPR to standardise on.

The C1 X-H2/H2S conversions are very very good, only the very high iso images require some level of additional nr.

Kaoticphoto Regular Member • Posts: 379
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LR is not too bad for Bayer sensor, so personally i won't preprocess raw with low iso.

While dxo pureraw offer great noise reduction and demosaicing for any sensor at medium and hi-iso, probably at low iso LR is already good enough.

With x-trans LR and ACR are so bad that for my clients i always preprocess the raw.

Comparing a well processed X-trans raw, give a similar sharpness to bayer raw, with a little better noise performance, but mainly it's quite hard to find traces of moiré.

in a recent  post I compared a X-transformer file from Fujifilm X-H2 to a pureraw2 from canon R5, downloading raw from Imaging resource, and in Canon files heavy moiré is observed in bottles labels.

So globally i find x-trans a little better, but preprocess it's a lain and take a lot of disk space

Morris0
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A lot of people on this forum like to blame Lightroom and/or ACR for soft images.  I process using ACR as the raw converter for Photoshop.  The results are anything but soft.

Morris

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Kaoticphoto Regular Member • Posts: 379
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Subject is quite large in this shot, but even like that fine details are missing, but maybe you just don't  need or care about better details.

Morris0
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Kaoticphoto wrote:

Subject is quite large in this shot, but even like that fine details are missing, but maybe you just don't need or care about better details.

You don't see feather detail?

Morris

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Kaoticphoto Regular Member • Posts: 379
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They could be much improved

Morris0
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Kaoticphoto wrote:

They could be much improved

Lets see yours :-}

Morris

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Erik Baumgartner Senior Member • Posts: 6,894
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Kaoticphoto wrote:

LR is not too bad for Bayer sensor, so personally i won't preprocess raw with low iso.

While dxo pureraw offer great noise reduction and demosaicing for any sensor at medium and hi-iso, probably at low iso LR is already good enough.

With x-trans LR and ACR are so bad that for my clients i always preprocess the raw.

Comparing a well processed X-trans raw, give a similar sharpness to bayer raw, with a little better noise performance, but mainly it's quite hard to find traces of moiré.

in a recent post I compared a X-transformer file from Fujifilm X-H2 to a pureraw2 from canon R5, downloading raw from Imaging resource, and in Canon files heavy moiré is observed in bottles labels.

So globally i find x-trans a little better, but preprocess it's a lain and take a lot of disk space

You can east process selected files (just the keepers) with X-Transformer from within LR - literally 2 mouse clicks, not a pain.

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Kaoticphoto Regular Member • Posts: 379
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Send me the raw i will process it.

Otherwise i am sorry but i don't shoot birds.

You can see something from me here www.kaotic.it

And-roid
And-roid Senior Member • Posts: 3,208
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Erik Baumgartner wrote:

Kaoticphoto wrote:

LR is not too bad for Bayer sensor, so personally i won't preprocess raw with low iso.

While dxo pureraw offer great noise reduction and demosaicing for any sensor at medium and hi-iso, probably at low iso LR is already good enough.

With x-trans LR and ACR are so bad that for my clients i always preprocess the raw.

Comparing a well processed X-trans raw, give a similar sharpness to bayer raw, with a little better noise performance, but mainly it's quite hard to find traces of moiré.

in a recent post I compared a X-transformer file from Fujifilm X-H2 to a pureraw2 from canon R5, downloading raw from Imaging resource, and in Canon files heavy moiré is observed in bottles labels.

So globally i find x-trans a little better, but preprocess it's a lain and take a lot of disk space

You can east process selected files (just the keepers) with X-Transformer from within LR - literally 2 mouse clicks, not a pain.

It adds a lot of "bloat" though!

Kaoticphoto Regular Member • Posts: 379
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Yes. But i usually shot thetered with clients.

I. First i have to explain that final pics wil looks sharper second when i will convert selected files i have to copy the settings in resulting dng. In third you loose time and disk space .

So for me it's a pain, how much pain depends from the project

Jerry-astro
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Kaoticphoto wrote:

Send me the raw i will process it.

Otherwise i am sorry but i don't shoot birds.

You can see something from me here www.kaotic.it

So you don’t shoot birds, yet you’re certain that fine detail is missing? OK. Perhaps at least you can elaborate on what specific fine detail you feel was eliminated in processing.

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Erik Baumgartner Senior Member • Posts: 6,894
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Kaoticphoto wrote:

Yes. But i usually shot thetered with clients.

I. First i have to explain that final pics wil looks sharper second when i will convert selected files i have to copy the settings in resulting dng.

No, all the same development settings are applied to the DNGs automatically upon their creation.

In third you loose time and disk space .

You lose very little time (a couple of seconds per file). I don’t, but you can always delete the DNGs after exporting you final jpegs/tiffs/whatever.

So for me it's a pain, how much pain depends from the project

Using DxO/Enhance Details is also a pain. It’s a cross we must bear for optimal results in Lightroom/ACR. To date, IXT has been the best solution for me.

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Kaoticphoto Regular Member • Posts: 379
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Yes. Because i work with fuji since xpro1, i use LR since 1.0 (yes 1.0)  and i tried all possible sw to improve fujifilm rendering. And i know exactly what you can expect from a better raw processor/preprocessor.

It's not a question of subject but of detail frequency. You can easily see it from the processed file i posted in this thread comparing it with the Original jpeg or raw processed on DPR. And i would be happy to process the Morris 's photo to show the difference.

Peter Jonas Veteran Member • Posts: 4,053
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Jerry-astro wrote:

Kaoticphoto wrote:

Send me the raw i will process it.

Otherwise i am sorry but i don't shoot birds.

You can see something from me here www.kaotic.it

So you don’t shoot birds, yet you’re certain that fine detail is missing? OK. Perhaps at least you can elaborate on what specific fine detail you feel was eliminated in processing.

He/she did offer to process Morris' RAW.

That would be a simple way to find out, so why not?

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