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My Smartphone renders 4K-footage 29x faster than my PC

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east2west Regular Member • Posts: 107
My Smartphone renders 4K-footage 29x faster than my PC

When I came home from a recent travel I had shot more than 270 GB of 4K-videos - which is roughly about 270 minutes together.

I have a very very basic PC with a Celeron 2 core 2,7 GHz processor and 8GB RAM. While that is mostly good enough for me in every day use, cutting selected clips, put them together and export them as a 4K "movie" is very slow - and a preview is next to impossible.

So I tried whether my ASUS smartphone (Snapdragon 875 / 8 GB RAM) could also handle my Nikon Z50 video clips with it's integrated video editor. To my surprise it could and was extremely fast in rendering with a perfect preview.

I put 10 clips together (1,09 GB) in a row and rendered them to a 1min16sec movie.

Rendering time on my PC with Shotcut - 19min55sec
Rendering time on my Smartphone - 41sec

So the phone was more than 29x faster than my PC. I didn't expect this. I actually wanted to buy a new PC just for video editing. But what components would I really need to just equal the processing power of my smartphone? AMD or Intel (i5/i7/i9), which graphic card and how much RAM woud be needed? I would like to hear what your set up on your Notebook or PC is for a similar rendering time. Thanks a lot!

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Markr041 Forum Pro • Posts: 10,078
Re: My Smartphone renders 4K-footage 29x faster than my PC

east2west wrote:

When I came home from a recent travel I had shot more than 270 GB of 4K-videos - which is roughly about 270 minutes together.

I have a very very basic PC with a Celeron 2 core 2,7 GHz processor and 8GB RAM. While that is mostly good enough for me in every day use, cutting selected clips, put them together and export them as a 4K "movie" is very slow - and a preview is next to impossible.

So I tried whether my ASUS smartphone (Snapdragon 875 / 8 GB RAM) could also handle my Nikon Z50 video clips with it's integrated video editor. To my surprise it could and was extremely fast in rendering with a perfect preview.

I put 10 clips together (1,09 GB) in a row and rendered them to a 1min16sec movie.

Rendering time on my PC with Shotcut - 19min55sec
Rendering time on my Smartphone - 41sec

So the phone was more than 29x faster than my PC. I didn't expect this. I actually wanted to buy a new PC just for video editing. But what components would I really need to just equal the processing power of my smartphone? AMD or Intel (i5/i7/i9), which graphic card and how much RAM woud be needed? I would like to hear what your set up on your Notebook or PC is for a similar rendering time. Thanks a lot!

Mac mini m1. 8 GB RAM is fine. That's it. Will handle any video codec with ease - hardware encoding and decoding. No need to worry about graphics cards or processors. Yes, I use it. Not based on specs. I shoot 4K, 5K, 6K, 8K and edit and render with it easily.

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sludge21017
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Re: My Smartphone renders 4K-footage 29x faster than my PC

A computer with a Celeron 2 core 2,7 GHz processor is definitely hurting. What year is that from?

Is it this one? https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Celeron-Processor-2-7GHz-BX80646G1820/dp/B00HCM8QQE

2013?

NickZ2016 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,836
Re: My Smartphone renders 4K-footage 29x faster than my PC

Basically  you need a video card or IGPU that can handle 264 hardware encoding and decoding. Today that's virtually everything. The other thing you need is software that can use that GPU/IGPU.

Do you have a video card in your computer? What software are you using?

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OP east2west Regular Member • Posts: 107
Re: My Smartphone renders 4K-footage 29x faster than my PC

Markr041 wrote:

Mac mini m1. 8 GB RAM is fine. That's it. Will handle any video codec with ease - hardware encoding and decoding. No need to worry about graphics cards or processors. Yes, I use it. Not based on specs. I shoot 4K, 5K, 6K, 8K and edit and render with it easily.

Thank you Markr041 - I didn't think into that direction and will definitely take the Apple offerings into account.

OP east2west Regular Member • Posts: 107
Re: My Smartphone renders 4K-footage 29x faster than my PC

sludge21017 wrote:

A computer with a Celeron 2 core 2,7 GHz processor is definitely hurting. What year is that from?

Is it this one? https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Celeron-Processor-2-7GHz-BX80646G1820/dp/B00HCM8QQE

2013?

No, it was from 2019. I needed a cheap PC with Windows 10 pro for a special software - 220 Euros at a local computer dealer.

OP east2west Regular Member • Posts: 107
Re: My Smartphone renders 4K-footage 29x faster than my PC

NickZ2016 wrote:

Basically you need a video card or IGPU that can handle 264 hardware encoding and decoding. Today that's virtually everything. The other thing you need is software that can use that GPU/IGPU.

Do you have a video card in your computer? What software are you using?

Thank you NickZ2016. There is no separate graphics card - just onboard. Do you think a good graphics card in combination with my celeron 2 core could do a much better job? I am using the free software Shotcut right now and don't know how sophisticated that software is.

NickZ2016 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,836
Re: My Smartphone renders 4K-footage 29x faster than my PC

You don't need a high end GPU. They basically all use the same media encoder/decoder.

I've no idea if your software would benefit. Not all software is smart enough to hand off the work to the GPU

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OP east2west Regular Member • Posts: 107
Re: My Smartphone renders 4K-footage 29x faster than my PC

Thank you!

DMKAlex
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Re: My Smartphone renders 4K-footage 29x faster than my PC

You do what Premiere Pro is doing in your smartphone?

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Entropy512 Veteran Member • Posts: 6,016
Re: My Smartphone renders 4K-footage 29x faster than my PC

east2west wrote:

When I came home from a recent travel I had shot more than 270 GB of 4K-videos - which is roughly about 270 minutes together.

I have a very very basic PC with a Celeron 2 core 2,7 GHz processor and 8GB RAM. While that is mostly good enough for me in every day use, cutting selected clips, put them together and export them as a 4K "movie" is very slow - and a preview is next to impossible.

So I tried whether my ASUS smartphone (Snapdragon 875 / 8 GB RAM) could also handle my Nikon Z50 video clips with it's integrated video editor. To my surprise it could and was extremely fast in rendering with a perfect preview.

I put 10 clips together (1,09 GB) in a row and rendered them to a 1min16sec movie.

Rendering time on my PC with Shotcut - 19min55sec
Rendering time on my Smartphone - 41sec

So the phone was more than 29x faster than my PC. I didn't expect this. I actually wanted to buy a new PC just for video editing. But what components would I really need to just equal the processing power of my smartphone? AMD or Intel (i5/i7/i9), which graphic card and how much RAM woud be needed? I would like to hear what your set up on your Notebook or PC is for a similar rendering time. Thanks a lot!

The key is the GPU - it *has* to support hardware acceleration of whatever codec the camera shoots in and whatever format you want to export to.

It also helps if it has significant amounts of VRAM - Resolve can get a bit finicky if you are doing 4k with less than 6GB of VRAM.

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Entropy512 Veteran Member • Posts: 6,016
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NickZ2016 wrote:

Basically you need a video card or IGPU that can handle 264 hardware encoding and decoding. Today that's virtually everything. The other thing you need is software that can use that GPU/IGPU.

Do you have a video card in your computer? What software are you using?

Some newer cameras require H.265 instead of H.264 now - I'm guessing that's part of the problem since I'd expect even a basic 2019 machine with integrated GPU to do hardware H.264 up to 4k.

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OP east2west Regular Member • Posts: 107
Re: My Smartphone renders 4K-footage 29x faster than my PC

Entropy512 wrote:

The key is the GPU - it *has* to support hardware acceleration of whatever codec the camera shoots in and whatever format you want to export to.

It also helps if it has significant amounts of VRAM - Resolve can get a bit finicky if you are doing 4k with less than 6GB of VRAM.

Thank you for this information, Entropy512!

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DMKAlex wrote:

You do what Premiere Pro is doing in your smartphone?

Hi DMKAlex, sorry but I don`t have that software. I can't even find it in the Google PlayStore.

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DMKAlex Veteran Member • Posts: 6,721
Re: My Smartphone renders 4K-footage 29x faster than my PC

east2west wrote:

DMKAlex wrote:

You do what Premiere Pro is doing in your smartphone?

Hi DMKAlex, sorry but I don`t have that software. I can't even find it in the Google PlayStore.

Premiere Pro is a very a popular NLE among professionals and serious amateur. I would say, among Davinci Resolve, they are the leading NLE among the video circle.

What kind of editing that you can do with your smartphone then?

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OP east2west Regular Member • Posts: 107
Re: My Smartphone renders 4K-footage 29x faster than my PC

DMKAlex wrote:

Premiere Pro is a very a popular NLE among professionals and serious amateur. I would say, among Davinci Resolve, they are the leading NLE among the video circle.

What kind of editing that you can do with your smartphone then?

The video editor of the smartphone is very basic. It is a "LE", you can choose transitions, there are filters but no color grading, there ar soundtracks available and you can adjust the volume. And of course cut the lenght of the clips. But there is not even a possibility to put text in the video. But the output looks great, crisp and detailed. The original clips from the Nikon are about 125 Mbit, the ASUS output is 53 Mbit.

I downloaded Inshot now (more features) and first results are: I can save the video in 4K but it is just 38 Mbit and doesn't look as good as the ASUS output.

And while the Nikon original is 29.97 fps, the ASUS is 30.00 fps and the Inshot is 30.03 fps. And the Inshot Video looks a touch unsteady when watching.

But I don't want to put money into Davinci Resolve or Adobe Premiere right now. And I can always put text on the first clip with Shotcut on my PC, than throwing that clip into my ASUS.

Nevertheless I am planing to get a better PC or Apple for future projects so that I can edit and render my chosen clips with perfect preview (without stuttering) to a 20 to 30 minute vacation video in an hour or so.

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