Pixel 7 Pro: Advantages of RAW

CAcreeks wrote:

sqn888 wrote:

Jefftan wrote:

Is there an app like Open Camera (never try it before) that can get me non-oversharpen jpeg?

Open Camera does have a settings for Edge mode algorithm that can be turned off. There's also a High Quality settings, but documentation doesn't explain what that is.

so turn off "Edge mode algorithm" mean turn off sharpening ? Have you try it ?

this is an example of oversharpening I am talking about.

Look at the tree at 100%. It is not natural at all. What your eyes

see is not that sharp

This is the same pic process from RAW un Capture One with my easy method. I use the default setting and change only 2 settings

1 saturation set to 90

2 auto adjust HDR only (I don't adjust exposure or others)

Capture One said It already apply manufaturer's embedded lens correction

As you can see. not only no more over-sharpening but color more pleasing too (look at the green color of tree) in my eye.

The negative is that the sky color is noticeably different. I guess to look the same I have to recover more highlight but that need to invidually adjust every pic and is time consuming.

Or is it possible to just set a high highlight recovery value and than batch apply to all RAW files (I never try that before, i guess it may look strange on some because not all pics require lots of highlight recovery)

please comment what u guys think.

I won't blame pixel because I think over saturated color and over-sharpening is a deliberate decision. It will never change (or improve) in the future. That is what most people like and most don't see it as a problem or even know what is over-sharpening.

Everyone like Samsung and Apple do the same and not just Google

this is from Capture One and every setting same as the previous one except "highlight" push to -100 maxium vs -29 in Auto Adjust HDR.

Sky is still not the same as Pixel jpeg

I also discover that although Capture One said "manufacturer Profile" is applied under "lens correction" but the RAW converted jpeg is different from pixel jpeg

see the left side, it is apparent that no distortion correction is performed in Capture One. I have no idea why.

Capture One jpeg

Pixel jpeg

sqn888 wrote:

Custom google camera (GCam) helps you reduce sharpening and generally gives more organinc DSLR-like look of jpegs. Most common Gcam for Pixel is MWP. I don't know if it works on Pixel 7 but I suppose it does since it works on Pixel 6 which has the same main camera senosor.

You can find optimal settings for Gcam on telegram channel "Google Pixel 6 Series - Google Camera"

You can also find info regarding settings on XDA forum

https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/app-no-root-required-modified-google-camera-8-4-300-v1-beta3-by-mwp.4448463/

I really don't know gcam for pixel exist. I think pixel camera app is already gcam

Is there any instruction on how to use it or I just have to learn through trial and error?

Thanks

Jefftan wrote:

I also discover that although Capture One said "manufacturer Profile" is applied under "lens correction" but the RAW converted jpeg is different from pixel jpeg

see the left side, it is apparent that no distortion correction is performed in Capture One. I have no idea why.

Doesn't seem to me that Capture One did what it said. I compared DNG rendition of a UW pic from the Pixel 7 Pro in LR and RawTherapee (the latter ignores embedded profiles AFIAK), and straight lines e.g. from a bookcase are curved in RawTherapee and straight in LR. So Capture One maybe sees there is a profile, but doesn't seem to be able to apply it correctly. You may have to wait for an update to Capture One officially supporting the Pixel 7 Pro (it's a new phone after all ...).

I'm waiting myself for a similar update to LR; the embedded lens correction profiles work there, but of course colors are seriously off. I help myself with the color profile of the Pixel 6 Pro's main camera that I apply as import default. That works okay, but seemingly LR also needs some additional information about the 7 Pro to differentiate between its multiple cameras. As it is right now it only recognizes the phone during import, but not the camera module used - making it impossible to automatically apply different camera color profiles to the actually camera  used to the single pics.

If Capture One is updated properly and then officially supports the 7 Pro, I think you will have the correction working and also won't have to boost saturation etc. anymore - you'll get a much better baseline for further development of the DNGs.

Phil

Capture One never officially supported phone including pixel. After I bootst saturation, color seem ok to me. Problems is no lens correction

Jefftan wrote:

[...] I guess to look the same I have to recover more highlight but that need to invidually adjust every pic and is time consuming.

Or is it possible to just set a high highlight recovery value and than batch apply to all RAW files (I never try that before, i guess it may look strange on some because not all pics require lots of highlight recovery)

please comment what u guys think.

I don't know how Capture One works with presets, but if it is anything like LR you can define presets that furnish base points for further post work for your devices/cameras. Those presets are then automatically applied during import (or, if Capture One doesn't recognize the Pixel Pro 7, manually after import) and give you a good baseline for further PP. From that baseline you can then do individual tweaks to selected pics; and with the time you'll get a feeling what values to include in this baseline preset (color profiles applied, highlight and shadow recovery, saturation etc. pp.) to have most pics right without further work.

I won't blame pixel because I think over saturated color and over-sharpening is a deliberate decision. It will never change (or improve) in the future. That is what most people like and most don't see it as a problem or even know what is over-sharpening.

Everyone like Samsung and Apple do the same and not just Google

You're right here. And to be honest I don't even mind the oversharpening if I want to print only small or to share online. But as soon I want to crop or to print big it is of course very nice to have those not oversharpened DNGs at hand.

Phil

Jefftan wrote:

Capture One never officially supported phone including pixel. After I bootst saturation, color seem ok to me. Problems is no lens correction

Hmm, that could be a problem then. Checked with FastRawViewer - even that small program applied the corrections correctly. Beats me why Capture One doesn't do it.

Phil

Answering an earlier question, no I did not try changing edge treatment in Open Camera.

Jefftan wrote:

this is an example of oversharpening I am talking about.

Look at the tree at 100%. It is not natural at all. What your eyes see is not that sharp.

Looks OK to me. What bothers me most are a few overly blue patches between tree branches. Example crop below. Oversharpening that I don't like is when halos are visible > 1 pixel wide. If that occurs in this image, I didn't notice it.