We Need An Adobe Lightroom True Competitor Locked

Who has the balls to come out with a much better RAW converter that truly competes with Adobe Lightroom Classic?  We need one.

The only reason why I use LR is because of (it's workflow, that's it!) but as a Fujifilm shooter the files it produces are really poor.  When I was using the Fujifilm S5 Pro no problem, but then after several years after upgrading to newer cameras you can definitely see the problem.  Color tones, film simulations, sharpness and detail is simply not there and you have to spend a LOT more time messing around with this nonsense.  Fujifilm is Fujifilm, not Sony, although I get the feeling that Sony RAW files are easier to manage now over Fujifilm, with Lightroom that is.

That's the first problem.  The second problem is that for importing/exporting Lightroom is SUPER SLOW.

One of the comments I liked from the thread "Do You Want 40MP?" is that someone said that more megapixels is only going to get worse.  And that's true.  But, the hardware is not the only problem, is the software that will be the bottleneck and will slow things up drastically as MP keep increasing.

Sure, if you don't shoot over 1000 photos it should be fine, but over that forget it.

I hope someone comes out with better faster software than Adobe Lightroom with the same or even better workflow and I would be delighted to make the change.

I agree, and every year the subscription terms keep changing, we keep getting screwed by paying for more.

Batdude, respectfully, why do you stay with Fuji? I am really interested in hearing why. Again, I applauded your decision to leave Fujiland and go to canon. But you balked at that. Good luck with your process.

Pocket Lint wrote:

I agree, and every year the subscription terms keep changing, we keep getting screwed by paying for more.

How so? My monthly price hasn’t changed since I started with the subscription model ages ago. I’m still getting 20gb storage and am amazed at the connectivity now - across my devices.

Batdude wrote:

Who has the balls to come out with a much better RAW converter that truly competes with Adobe Lightroom Classic? We need one.

The only reason why I use LR is because of (it's workflow, that's it!) but as a Fujifilm shooter the files it produces are really poor. When I was using the Fujifilm S5 Pro no problem, but then after several years after upgrading to newer cameras you can definitely see the problem. Color tones, film simulations, sharpness and detail is simply not there and you have to spend a LOT more time messing around with this nonsense. Fujifilm is Fujifilm, not Sony, although I get the feeling that Sony RAW files are easier to manage now over Fujifilm, with Lightroom that is.

That's the first problem. The second problem is that for importing/exporting Lightroom is SUPER SLOW.

One of the comments I liked from the thread "Do You Want 40MP?" is that someone said that more megapixels is only going to get worse. And that's true. But, the hardware is not the only problem, is the software that will be the bottleneck and will slow things up drastically as MP keep increasing.

Sure, if you don't shoot over 1000 photos it should be fine, but over that forget it.

I hope someone comes out with better faster software than Adobe Lightroom with the same or even better workflow and I would be delighted to make the change.

Sorry, but at the expense of being blunt, your post very much reminds me of the old saying about a workman blaming his tools.  Every day I see outstanding work shared here by users who use LR, many of whom have extensive experience in getting the best results possible from editing their RAW files.  As far as performance goes, I’m using an M1 iMac and the performance seems pretty decent to me (including imports), and would be even better with some of the newer models.  I certainly haven’t found my editing process to be seriously constrained by the computational power that I have available nor any real issues with the performance of the editor.  Now granted, I don’t do this for a living, so my standards might be well below yours.

It seems as if a lot of folks on this forum are quite happy with C1, which might be a decent alternative for you to try.  Otherwise, frankly, maybe I just have lower expectations, but I’m just not seeing a huge issue with editing performance, “poor files,” or overly slow imports.  If you’re feeling that it’s hindering your editing, then take a look at the other alternatives out there, as many others here already do… I’m quite happy sticking with what I know and continue to use.

Batdude wrote:

The only reason why I use LR is because of (it's workflow, that's it!) but as a Fujifilm shooter the files it produces are really poor.

When you consider the fact that many Fujifilm X- series photograghers produce great photos in Lightroom, it's probably more accurate to say you produce photos that are really poor.

When I was using the Fujifilm S5 Pro no problem, but then after several years after upgrading to newer cameras you can definitely see the problem. Color tones, film simulations, sharpness and detail is simply not there and you have to spend a LOT more time messing around with this nonsense.

Isn't it you who spends much more time in the app to process your images? Most folks who use Lightroom don't complain about the processing and editing time.

Fujifilm is Fujifilm, not Sony, although I get the feeling that Sony RAW files are easier to manage now over Fujifilm, with Lightroom that is.

That's the first problem. The second problem is that for importing/exporting Lightroom is SUPER SLOW.

Put another way, your computer runs the app SUPER SLOW. That might be influenced, in part, by how you've configured the app.

One of the comments I liked from the thread "Do You Want 40MP?" is that someone said that more megapixels is only going to get worse. And that's true. But, the hardware is not the only problem, is the software that will be the bottleneck and will slow things up drastically as MP keep increasing.

There are now multiple full-frame cameras on the market that push 20-30 45MP images per second. Clearly, in-camera processing and record media aren't bottlenecks. We've had 45MP full-frame cameras for 5+ years. Computers with the horsepower to quickly display and work with those files have been around much longer. Still images don't push a computer's capabilities nearly as much as video editing.

If your computer gets bogged down running Lightroom or other app, perhaps it should be upgraded or replaced with something spec'd for the task at hand.

Sure, if you don't shoot over 1000 photos it should be fine, but over that forget it.

I hope someone comes out with better faster software than Adobe Lightroom with the same or even better workflow and I would be delighted to make the change.

Another option would be to upgrade your computer and your skills with the software.

Batdude wrote:

Who has the balls to come out with a much better RAW converter that truly competes with Adobe Lightroom Classic? We need one.

The only reason why I use LR is because of (it's workflow, that's it!) but as a Fujifilm shooter the files it produces are really poor. When I was using the Fujifilm S5 Pro no problem, but then after several years after upgrading to newer cameras you can definitely see the problem. Color tones, film simulations, sharpness and detail is simply not there and you have to spend a LOT more time messing around with this nonsense. Fujifilm is Fujifilm, not Sony, although I get the feeling that Sony RAW files are easier to manage now over Fujifilm, with Lightroom that is.

That's the first problem. The second problem is that for importing/exporting Lightroom is SUPER SLOW.

One of the comments I liked from the thread "Do You Want 40MP?" is that someone said that more megapixels is only going to get worse. And that's true. But, the hardware is not the only problem, is the software that will be the bottleneck and will slow things up drastically as MP keep increasing.

Sure, if you don't shoot over 1000 photos it should be fine, but over that forget it.

I hope someone comes out with better faster software than Adobe Lightroom with the same or even better workflow and I would be delighted to make the change.

To answer your first question "who has the balls to come out with a much better RAW converter that truly competes with LR"? Phase One does, and they came out with Capture One years ago.

You've asked about workflows and I know there are differences in the workflows, but C1 actually has some advantages with workflows compared to LR (sessions are great), but also disadvantages (LR has more powerful cataloguing and indexing features). If you have experimented with C1, are the workflow differences a deterrent to your work? (I understand how they may be for some, but I don't know your specific situation)

As to the stated concerns you have working with RAFs in LR around color tones, sharpness and details? C1 is far superior to LR, in my hands at least. In many cases, C1 gets results that I don't know how to get from LR and I've used LR for 7+ years and C1 for ~2 years.

Have you tried Capture One? If not, I encourage you to download a trial version. If so, please report back on what you feel is missing.

lewiedude2 wrote:

Batdude, respectfully, why do you stay with Fuji? I am really interested in hearing why. Again, I applauded your decision to leave Fujiland and go to canon. But you balked at that. Good luck with your process.

Hi lewiedude2.  I discovered and fell in love with Fuji with the S5 Pro.  Then I started moving up little by little with the newer models, and I really like the dials experience.  And of course I continue liking Fuji’s color tones.  Fuji doesn’t do everything for me, that’s the bloody honest truth, which is why Im still a dual systems shooter.

I completely agree with you, I should be shooting with a Canon system, but there are two huge things I have against that corporation, no third party lens availability and no tilt screen.  In the end I try to push myself and use what I have because I don’t buy every new camera when one comes out.

But let’s not lie to ourselves, every camera brand has issues and annoying things we have to deal with and I think is important to talk about everything, hardware, software etc.

I do agree that someone said that the resolution war is only going to get worse.  That is a fact and we’re living it.

By the way, I also do see Canon shooters complaining why they are seeing and having a harder time PP their images and colors don’t look right either, and I believe they are also using adobe.  So the problem is not a brand issue but a software issue because since I started shooting RAW+jpeg the jpegs smoke the RAW files I’m getting, and to be honest, I find this really disappointing. That’s adobe’s problem.

koweb wrote:

To answer your first question "who has the balls to come out with a much better RAW converter that truly competes with LR"? Phase One does, and they came out with Capture One years ago.

Small addition: Capture One was spun off and these days (since 2020) is its own business entity. As you rightly say, its origins are with Phase One.

You've asked about workflows and I know there are differences in the workflows, but C1 actually has some advantages with workflows compared to LR (sessions are great), but also disadvantages (LR has more powerful cataloguing and indexing features). If you have experimented with C1, are the workflow differences a deterrent to your work? (I understand how they may be for some, but I don't know your specific situation)

For anyone who might consider C1 but is intimidated by learning an entirely new GUI, I'd like to add there are various resources for easing a potential transition. From importing LR catalogues, to a workspace preset that is specifically designed to resemble LR (Window > Workspace > Migration), and several support articles trying to assist in the transition.

As to the stated concerns you have working with RAFs in LR around color tones, sharpness and details? C1 is far superior to LR, in my hands at least. In many cases, C1 gets results that I don't know how to get from LR and I've used LR for 7+ years and C1 for ~2 years.

Have you tried Capture One? If not, I encourage you to download a trial version. If so, please report back on what you feel is missing.

I've not used Lightroom in several years, so I will withhold judgement of its capabilities today. But my experience certainly aligns with yours; I've been very happy with it since I migrated six years (I think) ago. And yes, sessions are great.

The overwhelming majority of photographers will find a workflow and output with one of the two mainstream RAW converters - images shared/published speak for themselves - so, in my humble opinion, dissatisfaction with both of them (especially when used in conjunction with add-ins and third party software) is likely a workflow issue or getting caught in pixel-peeping minutiae that make little actual difference in output.

Batdude wrote:

Who has the balls to come out with a much better RAW converter that truly competes with Adobe Lightroom Classic? We need one.

The only reason why I use LR is because of (it's workflow, that's it!) but as a Fujifilm shooter the files it produces are really poor. When I was using the Fujifilm S5 Pro no problem, but then after several years after upgrading to newer cameras you can definitely see the problem. Color tones, film simulations, sharpness and detail is simply not there and you have to spend a LOT more time messing around with this nonsense. Fujifilm is Fujifilm, not Sony, although I get the feeling that Sony RAW files are easier to manage now over Fujifilm, with Lightroom that is.

That's the first problem. The second problem is that for importing/exporting Lightroom is SUPER SLOW.

One of the comments I liked from the thread "Do You Want 40MP?" is that someone said that more megapixels is only going to get worse. And that's true. But, the hardware is not the only problem, is the software that will be the bottleneck and will slow things up drastically as MP keep increasing.

Sure, if you don't shoot over 1000 photos it should be fine, but over that forget it.

I hope someone comes out with better faster software than Adobe Lightroom with the same or even better workflow and I would be delighted to make the change.

I truly want to know.  Why not just use the one you paid for in the camera? It weird to see so many say they want to replicate Fuji sims and such.  Just use x transformer and your x series camera.  Then you’ll match every time.

Batdude wrote:

Fuji doesn’t do everything for me, that’s the bloody honest truth, which is why Im still a dual systems shooter.

But let’s not lie to ourselves, every camera brand has issues and annoying things we have to deal with and I think is important to talk about everything, hardware, software etc.

I agree. Any solution out there has its drawbacks, and it's good to not sweep them under the rug.

But in my opinion (I don't expect anyone else to agree with me), in the absence of perfect choices, it is also important to make peace with the imperfect - but best possible - solution(s) we choose, in order to find enjoyment and contentment.

There is a lot of hyperbole in the photography community and all too often shortcomings and differences are blown out of proportion to a degree where some people aren't happy with any available option.

My decent baseline

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4660084

Regards,

Martin

Batdude wrote:

lewiedude2 wrote:

Batdude, respectfully, why do you stay with Fuji? I am really interested in hearing why. Again, I applauded your decision to leave Fujiland and go to canon. But you balked at that. Good luck with your process.

Hi lewiedude2. I discovered and fell in love with Fuji with the S5 Pro. Then I started moving up little by little with the newer models, and I really like the dials experience. And of course I continue liking Fuji’s color tones. Fuji doesn’t do everything for me, that’s the bloody honest truth, which is why Im still a dual systems shooter.

I completely agree with you, I should be shooting with a Canon system, but there are two huge things I have against that corporation, no third party lens availability and no tilt screen. In the end I try to push myself and use what I have because I don’t buy every new camera when one comes out.

But let’s not lie to ourselves, every camera brand has issues and annoying things we have to deal with and I think is important to talk about everything, hardware, software etc.

I do agree that someone said that the resolution war is only going to get worse. That is a fact and we’re living it.

Worse? You mean more pixels? I really am surprised by the backlash of some when more pixels are offered on the same size sensor. Gone are the days when a brand would come out with a higher pixel count just to say they are the leader. Brands come out with new cameras and higher pixel counts because their R&D provides the level of quality to NOT ostracize their current user-base and appeal to some outside the brand that are looking for another reason to change.

By the way, I also do see Canon shooters complaining why they are seeing and having a harder time PP their images and colors don’t look right either, and I believe they are also using adobe. So the problem is not a brand issue but a software issue because since I started shooting RAW+jpeg the jpegs smoke the RAW files I’m getting, and to be honest, I find this really disappointing. That’s adobe’s problem.

This argument is specious and doesn’t hold water for me and likely many others as it is much, much more likely that the user doesn’t have the skills to simply process an image to very high standards in a relatively short amount of time. I’m am very good with my PP as I really know my camera and my software.

Again, good luck to you in this never ending journey. Oh, one more thing, take Bill’s suggestions to heart. It really may be that you need to get better at PP along with proper image making. Understand that I and others will suggest such things to you as you keep posting threads that are focusing on your problems. We are all here to help.

rla1022 wrote:

Batdude wrote:

Who has the balls to come out with a much better RAW converter that truly competes with Adobe Lightroom Classic? We need one.

The only reason why I use LR is because of (it's workflow, that's it!) but as a Fujifilm shooter the files it produces are really poor. When I was using the Fujifilm S5 Pro no problem, but then after several years after upgrading to newer cameras you can definitely see the problem. Color tones, film simulations, sharpness and detail is simply not there and you have to spend a LOT more time messing around with this nonsense. Fujifilm is Fujifilm, not Sony, although I get the feeling that Sony RAW files are easier to manage now over Fujifilm, with Lightroom that is.

That's the first problem. The second problem is that for importing/exporting Lightroom is SUPER SLOW.

One of the comments I liked from the thread "Do You Want 40MP?" is that someone said that more megapixels is only going to get worse. And that's true. But, the hardware is not the only problem, is the software that will be the bottleneck and will slow things up drastically as MP keep increasing.

Sure, if you don't shoot over 1000 photos it should be fine, but over that forget it.

I hope someone comes out with better faster software than Adobe Lightroom with the same or even better workflow and I would be delighted to make the change.

I truly want to know. Why not just use the one you paid for in the camera? It weird to see so many say they want to replicate Fuji sims and such. Just use x transformer and your x series camera. Then you’ll match every time.

IMHO, that misses the workflow support provided by LR.

It's why I believe it would be fair to eliminate a lot of great tools that just process images, such as the bundled Fuji RAW or Silkypix - but also eliminates Neo, Nik, ON1, Skylum, Topaz, etc. Sure, if you have a handful of images to process and want to work on them one at a time, then tools as above can work fine.

But, for someone like a wedding photographer who wants to view, cull, index, then sort and process thousands of images? ... they would be severely handicapped using image processing tools that have no workflow systems. Your suggestion would not fit their needs.

Bill Ferris wrote:

Batdude wrote:

The only reason why I use LR is because of (it's workflow, that's it!) but as a Fujifilm shooter the files it produces are really poor.

When you consider the fact that many Fujifilm X- series photograghers produce great photos in Lightroom, it's probably more accurate to say you produce photos that are really poor.

When I was using the Fujifilm S5 Pro no problem, but then after several years after upgrading to newer cameras you can definitely see the problem. Color tones, film simulations, sharpness and detail is simply not there and you have to spend a LOT more time messing around with this nonsense.

Isn't it you who spends much more time in the app to process your images? Most folks who use Lightroom don't complain about the processing and editing time.

Fujifilm is Fujifilm, not Sony, although I get the feeling that Sony RAW files are easier to manage now over Fujifilm, with Lightroom that is.

That's the first problem. The second problem is that for importing/exporting Lightroom is SUPER SLOW.

Put another way, your computer runs the app SUPER SLOW. That might be influenced, in part, by how you've configured the app.

You think I have my software configured wrong?  No the software is all set up fine and dandy and according to Adobe recíbales support “that’s all the software can do and there’s nothing else can be done to speed it up”.

One of the comments I liked from the thread "Do You Want 40MP?" is that someone said that more megapixels is only going to get worse. And that's true. But, the hardware is not the only problem, is the software that will be the bottleneck and will slow things up drastically as MP keep increasing.

There are now multiple full-frame cameras on the market that push 20-30 45MP images per second. Clearly, in-camera processing and record media aren't bottlenecks. We've had 45MP full-frame cameras for 5+ years. Computers with the horsepower to quickly display and work with those files have been around much longer. Still images don't push a computer's capabilities nearly as much as video editing.

If your computer gets bogged down running Lightroom or other app, perhaps it should be upgraded or replaced with something spec'd for the task at hand.

I’m sorry but you’re completely wrong here. The fact is that I did upgrade my computer to a Ryzen 3900X CPU with plenty of RAM, why, because of Lightroom, but I’m telling you right now that I am NOT going to upgrade to much more expensive hardware anymore. Even with what I have now the software (Lightroom) is the bottleneck, so (they) are the ones that need to make software changes.

You want me to “upgrade” my computer further to a $1000 graphics card when Lightroom doesn’t even touch and utilize the GPU?

Coming from 16MP to 26MP is already a big jump and it definitely slows down big time for exporting, I can just imagine 40 bloody MP.

Again, if you shoot less than 1000 is not a big deal, but when you shoot weddings and sports events that is just INSANE and to be honest I don’t think most people don’t realize that.

Sure, if you don't shoot over 1000 photos it should be fine, but over that forget it.

I hope someone comes out with better faster software than Adobe Lightroom with the same or even better workflow and I would be delighted to make the change.

Another option would be to upgrade your computer and your skills with the software.

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Batdude wrote:

Bill Ferris wrote:

Batdude wrote:

The only reason why I use LR is because of (it's workflow, that's it!) but as a Fujifilm shooter the files it produces are really poor.

When you consider the fact that many Fujifilm X- series photograghers produce great photos in Lightroom, it's probably more accurate to say you produce photos that are really poor.

When I was using the Fujifilm S5 Pro no problem, but then after several years after upgrading to newer cameras you can definitely see the problem. Color tones, film simulations, sharpness and detail is simply not there and you have to spend a LOT more time messing around with this nonsense.

Isn't it you who spends much more time in the app to process your images? Most folks who use Lightroom don't complain about the processing and editing time.

Fujifilm is Fujifilm, not Sony, although I get the feeling that Sony RAW files are easier to manage now over Fujifilm, with Lightroom that is.

That's the first problem. The second problem is that for importing/exporting Lightroom is SUPER SLOW.

Put another way, your computer runs the app SUPER SLOW. That might be influenced, in part, by how you've configured the app.

One of the comments I liked from the thread "Do You Want 40MP?" is that someone said that more megapixels is only going to get worse. And that's true. But, the hardware is not the only problem, is the software that will be the bottleneck and will slow things up drastically as MP keep increasing.

There are now multiple full-frame cameras on the market that push 20-30 45MP images per second. Clearly, in-camera processing and record media aren't bottlenecks. We've had 45MP full-frame cameras for 5+ years. Computers with the horsepower to quickly display and work with those files have been around much longer. Still images don't push a computer's capabilities nearly as much as video editing.

If your computer gets bogged down running Lightroom or other app, perhaps it should be upgraded or replaced with something spec'd for the task at hand.

I’m sorry but you’re completely wrong here. The fact is that I did upgrade my computer to a Ryzen 3900X CPU with plenty of RAM, why, because of Lightroom, but I’m telling you right now that I am NOT going to upgrade to much more expensive hardware anymore. Even with what I have now the software (Lightroom) is the bottleneck, so (they) are the ones that need to make software changes.

You want me to “upgrade” my computer further to a $1000 graphics card when Lightroom doesn’t even touch and utilize the GPU?

Coming from 16MP to 26MP is already a big jump and it definitely slows down big time for exporting, I can just imagine 40 bloody MP.

Again, if you shoot less than 1000 is not a big deal, but when you shoot weddings and sports events that is just INSANE and to be honest I don’t think most people don’t realize that.

Sure, if you don't shoot over 1000 photos it should be fine, but over that forget it.

I hope someone comes out with better faster software than Adobe Lightroom with the same or even better workflow and I would be delighted to make the change.

Another option would be to upgrade your computer and your skills with the software.

I notice you've replied to several other posts but have not yet seen a response to my question earlier...

"Have you tried Capture One? If not, I encourage you to download a trial version. If so, please report back on what you feel is missing."

What say you on C1? Thanks,

Batdude wrote:

Bill Ferris wrote:

Batdude wrote:

The only reason why I use LR is because of (it's workflow, that's it!) but as a Fujifilm shooter the files it produces are really poor.

When you consider the fact that many Fujifilm X- series photograghers produce great photos in Lightroom, it's probably more accurate to say you produce photos that are really poor.

When I was using the Fujifilm S5 Pro no problem, but then after several years after upgrading to newer cameras you can definitely see the problem. Color tones, film simulations, sharpness and detail is simply not there and you have to spend a LOT more time messing around with this nonsense.

Isn't it you who spends much more time in the app to process your images? Most folks who use Lightroom don't complain about the processing and editing time.

Fujifilm is Fujifilm, not Sony, although I get the feeling that Sony RAW files are easier to manage now over Fujifilm, with Lightroom that is.

That's the first problem. The second problem is that for importing/exporting Lightroom is SUPER SLOW.

Put another way, your computer runs the app SUPER SLOW. That might be influenced, in part, by how you've configured the app.

You think I have my software configured wrong? No the software is all set up fine and dandy and according to Adobe recíbales support “that’s all the software can do and there’s nothing else can be done to speed it up”.

Clearly, something is wrong. Most Adobe Lightroom Classic users don't complain about the speed. Those who do typically run the app on underpowered systems or they have the app configured poorly. If your software is running as slowly as you say, it must be the configuration or the way the computer is spec'd.

One of the comments I liked from the thread "Do You Want 40MP?" is that someone said that more megapixels is only going to get worse. And that's true. But, the hardware is not the only problem, is the software that will be the bottleneck and will slow things up drastically as MP keep increasing.

There are now multiple full-frame cameras on the market that push 20-30 45MP images per second. Clearly, in-camera processing and record media aren't bottlenecks. We've had 45MP full-frame cameras for 5+ years. Computers with the horsepower to quickly display and work with those files have been around much longer. Still images don't push a computer's capabilities nearly as much as video editing.

If your computer gets bogged down running Lightroom or other app, perhaps it should be upgraded or replaced with something spec'd for the task at hand.

I’m sorry but you’re completely wrong here. The fact is that I did upgrade my computer to a Ryzen 3900X CPU with plenty of RAM, why, because of Lightroom, but I’m telling you right now that I am NOT going to upgrade to much more expensive hardware anymore. Even with what I have now the software (Lightroom) is the bottleneck, so (they) are the ones that need to make software changes.

You want me to “upgrade” my computer further to a $1000 graphics card when Lightroom doesn’t even touch and utilize the GPU?

Coming from 16MP to 26MP is already a big jump and it definitely slows down big time for exporting, I can just imagine 40 bloody MP.

Again, if you shoot less than 1000 is not a big deal, but when you shoot weddings and sports events that is just INSANE and to be honest I don’t think most people don’t realize that.

If your slowness complaints are accurate, it must be either the way you've configured the app or the way your computer is spec'd. Most Adobe Lightroom Classic users don't have these complaints...unless they're running the app on poorly-spec'd computers or have the configuration wrong.

Sure, if you don't shoot over 1000 photos it should be fine, but over that forget it.

I hope someone comes out with better faster software than Adobe Lightroom with the same or even better workflow and I would be delighted to make the change.

Another option would be to upgrade your computer and your skills with the software.

lewiedude2 wrote:

Batdude wrote:

lewiedude2 wrote:

Batdude, respectfully, why do you stay with Fuji? I am really interested in hearing why. Again, I applauded your decision to leave Fujiland and go to canon. But you balked at that. Good luck with your process.

Hi lewiedude2. I discovered and fell in love with Fuji with the S5 Pro. Then I started moving up little by little with the newer models, and I really like the dials experience. And of course I continue liking Fuji’s color tones. Fuji doesn’t do everything for me, that’s the bloody honest truth, which is why Im still a dual systems shooter.

I completely agree with you, I should be shooting with a Canon system, but there are two huge things I have against that corporation, no third party lens availability and no tilt screen. In the end I try to push myself and use what I have because I don’t buy every new camera when one comes out.

But let’s not lie to ourselves, every camera brand has issues and annoying things we have to deal with and I think is important to talk about everything, hardware, software etc.

I do agree that someone said that the resolution war is only going to get worse. That is a fact and we’re living it.

Worse? You mean more pixels? I really am surprised by the backlash of some when more pixels are offered on the same size sensor. Gone are the days when a brand would come out with a higher pixel count just to say they are the leader. Brands come out with new cameras and higher pixel counts because their R&D provides the level of quality to NOT ostracize their current user-base and appeal to some outside the brand that are looking for another reason to change.

By the way, I also do see Canon shooters complaining why they are seeing and having a harder time PP their images and colors don’t look right either, and I believe they are also using adobe. So the problem is not a brand issue but a software issue because since I started shooting RAW+jpeg the jpegs smoke the RAW files I’m getting, and to be honest, I find this really disappointing. That’s adobe’s problem.

This argument is specious and doesn’t hold water for me and likely many others as it is much, much more likely that the user doesn’t have the skills to simply process an image to very high standards in a relatively short amount of time. I’m am very good with my PP as I really know my camera and my software.

Again, good luck to you in this never ending journey. Oh, one more thing, take Bill’s suggestions to heart. It really may be that you need to get better at PP along with proper image making. Understand that I and others will suggest such things to you as you keep posting threads that are focusing on your problems. We are all here to help.

Thank you so much for offering help, and I would love to find out how to PP the RAW files to get the gorgeous looking photos I’m getting with the OOC jpegs.

Since I jumped to the XT3 I’m just not getting the right sauce when it comes down to color tones.  No offense people but the film simulations provided by Adobe are garbage.  And how much time are you spending now PP Fujifilm RAW files?

Batdude wrote:

The fact is that I did upgrade my computer to a Ryzen 3900X CPU with plenty of RAM, why, because of Lightroom,

That should be more than enough for Lightroom. That is well in excess of what most stills shooters will use.

Given ample CPU and RAM capabilities, I would consider storage speed (SSD read/write speed and internal/external bus speed) and catalogue size.

I'm not saying I know what might slow down your software, but with such a CPU it certainly isn't that. Not enough experience with current Adobe software to tell you how big a factor the software is, vs hardware.

but I’m telling you right now that I am NOT going to upgrade to much more expensive hardware anymore. Even with what I have now the software (Lightroom) is the bottleneck, so (they) are the ones that need to make software changes.

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Coming from 16MP to 26MP is already a big jump and it definitely slows down big time for exporting, I can just imagine 40 bloody MP.

I'm on a less powerful CPU (3700X) than your setup, but editing X Trans III files and exports in C1 are speedy. Admittedly, I work with C1 sessions (rather than larger catalogues) and a different software, but really your CPU should not be a bottleneck.