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dropped Tamron 17-70/2.8

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sluggy_warrior Veteran Member • Posts: 3,200
dropped Tamron 17-70/2.8
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After a long day at the State Fair, I forgot to zip my backpack. When I pulled the backpack out of the trunk, the X-T2 + Tamron flew out and landed on the driveway. Luckily I always put the camera+lens in a thick wool cap to prevent it from being scratched inside the backpack, thus, the X-T2 is intact, but the Tamron snapped off. Totally my fault, but I've bumped the 18-135 on trips quite often with no problem, I guess the Tamron suffered from the plastic construction (only 3 screws holding the part). Seems like it's just the plastic cylinder and a ribbon cable that need to be replaced, I'll check with Tamron on the repair cost.

I've just done a 4-day Summit, Tamron 17-70/2.8 on X-T20 and 50-140/2.8 on X-T2, ended with about 4,000 RAFs on each. And, another 1,000 at the State Fair yesterday with the Tamron on X-T2. So far, I love this Tamron lens, its IQ easily beats the 18-55 and 18-135, sharp across the whole frame even at f/2.8.

A few drawbacks:

- it's definitely has a delayed startup comparing to Fuji lenses. The 18-55 and 18-135 are ready in 1 second, the Tamron takes 2 seconds (on both X-T2 and X-T20). I missed quite a few decisive moments, and had to adjust my habit accordingly.
- sometimes the camera won't be able to acquire focus with the Tamron, with both X-T2 and X-T20. It didn't even hunt back and forth, the lens just doesn't focus and the camera reports a red square. I've seen it 3-4 times, just had to turn off and on the camera.
- while its IQ is excellent, it's still missing the magic of the 50-140. Comparing shots in the 50-70mm range at f/2.8 and f/4, the 50-140 is still a slight level above.
- the aperture mechanism is clicky/chattery, but after the first day of the Summit, I ignored it.
- no aperture ring (and the X-T2 and X-T20 use different front/rear dials by default!). Of course I accepted this before purchasing the lens.

What I like:

- excellent IQ (almost comparable to 50-140) and constant f/2.8.
- close focus: not exactly macro-level, but good enough without needing an adapter.
- VC/VR: while not as good as the Fuji lenses, it's still pretty decent.
- similar size/weight to the 18-135

Fujifilm X-T2 Fujifilm X-T20
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OP sluggy_warrior Veteran Member • Posts: 3,200
sample shots

A few shots at various focal lengths and conditions (from the State Fair)

typical "brick wall" test

close focus, pretty handy

and leaves near edges

Rightsaidfred
Rightsaidfred Senior Member • Posts: 2,176
Re: dropped Tamron 17-70/2.8

sluggy_warrior wrote:

After a long day at the State Fair, I forgot to zip my backpack. When I pulled the backpack out of the trunk, the X-T2 + Tamron flew out and landed on the driveway.

I am sorry for you.

Luckily I always put the camera+lens in a thick wool cap to prevent it from being scratched inside the backpack,

Me too, always using lens cases.

thus, the X-T2 is intact, but the Tamron snapped off. Totally my fault, but I've bumped the 18-135 on trips quite often with no problem,

Wow.

I guess the Tamron suffered from the plastic construction (only 3 screws holding the part).

Somewhere they need to manage cost.

Seems like it's just the plastic cylinder and a ribbon cable that need to be replaced, I'll check with Tamron on the repair cost.

I've just done a 4-day Summit, Tamron 17-70/2.8 on X-T20 and 50-140/2.8 on X-T2, ended with about 4,000 RAFs on each. And, another 1,000 at the State Fair yesterday with the Tamron on X-T2. So far, I love this Tamron lens, its IQ easily beats the 18-55 and 18-135, sharp across the whole frame even at f/2.8.

Great.

A few drawbacks:

- it's definitely has a delayed startup comparing to Fuji lenses. The 18-55 and 18-135 are ready in 1 second, the Tamron takes 2 seconds (on both X-T2 and X-T20). I missed quite a few decisive moments, and had to adjust my habit accordingly.
- sometimes the camera won't be able to acquire focus with the Tamron, with both X-T2 and X-T20. It didn't even hunt back and forth, the lens just doesn't focus and the camera reports a red square. I've seen it 3-4 times, just had to turn off and on the camera.
- while its IQ is excellent, it's still missing the magic of the 50-140. Comparing shots in the 50-70mm range at f/2.8 and f/4, the 50-140 is still a slight level above.
- the aperture mechanism is clicky/chattery, but after the first day of the Summit, I ignored it.
- no aperture ring (and the X-T2 and X-T20 use different front/rear dials by default!). Of course I accepted this before purchasing the lens.

What I like:

- excellent IQ (almost comparable to 50-140) and constant f/2.8.
- close focus: not exactly macro-level, but good enough without needing an adapter.
- VC/VR: while not as good as the Fuji lenses, it's still pretty decent.
- similar size/weight to the 18-135

Thank you for the review and the interesting photos of the 'offals'. Reminds me of yukosteel

Regards,

Martin

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Morris0
Morris0 Forum Pro • Posts: 32,111
Re: dropped Tamron 17-70/2.8

Ouch!  I'm sorry to learn this.

I've dropped my share of gear over the years and it's strange how some falls that you would expect to be a disaster do nothing and others that seem lesser do harm.  To rate a lens as stronger or better constructed based on a single incident is simply a guess.

Morris

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Lettermanian
Lettermanian Senior Member • Posts: 2,389
Re: dropped Tamron 17-70/2.8

sluggy_warrior wrote:

I've just done a 4-day Summit, Tamron 17-70/2.8 on X-T20 and 50-140/2.8 on X-T2, ended with about 4,000 RAFs on each. And, another 1,000 at the State Fair yesterday with the Tamron on X-T2. So far, I love this Tamron lens, its IQ easily beats the 18-55 and 18-135, sharp across the whole frame even at f/2.8.

I also have this lens and would agree with your statement, except to add the caveat that at f2.8 at minimum focus distance the images are soft, with some CA. Once the lens is stopped down to f4 or 5.6, again at MFD, the image is much sharper.

A few drawbacks:

- it's definitely has a delayed startup comparing to Fuji lenses. The 18-55 and 18-135 are ready in 1 second, the Tamron takes 2 seconds (on both X-T2 and X-T20). I missed quite a few decisive moments, and had to adjust my habit accordingly.

Very interesting, I really haven't noticed a speed issue with my X-T3 and X-S10. I wonder if the older cameras affect the start-up?

- sometimes the camera won't be able to acquire focus with the Tamron, with both X-T2 and X-T20. It didn't even hunt back and forth, the lens just doesn't focus and the camera reports a red square. I've seen it 3-4 times, just had to turn off and on the camera.

I haven't encountered this on my setup, so again it makes me wonder if the lens is somehow not optimized for older bodies (or vice versa). Interesting that Fuji released fw updates for these Tamron lenses to the X-T100/200 and X-A5/7, but not (yet?) to older Fuji bodies...

- while its IQ is excellent, it's still missing the magic of the 50-140. Comparing shots in the 50-70mm range at f/2.8 and f/4, the 50-140 is still a slight level above.
- the aperture mechanism is clicky/chattery, but after the first day of the Summit, I ignored it.
- no aperture ring (and the X-T2 and X-T20 use different front/rear dials by default!). Of course I accepted this before purchasing the lens.

What I like:

- excellent IQ (almost comparable to 50-140) and constant f/2.8.
- close focus: not exactly macro-level, but good enough without needing an adapter.
- VC/VR: while not as good as the Fuji lenses, it's still pretty decent.

Agreed on these, I'm finding the VC to be quite good in fact, especially on my X-T3. I enjoy taking long-exposure shots of waves (1/8th to 1/2 sec) and still have good sharpness on any rocks in the frame. I'm not quite convinced that it works perfectly with the IBIS on the X-S10 though, but I would have to do more tests. Tamron has not detailed how their AI-powered VC works with Fuji's IBIS. For stills it's been great, and for the bit of video I've done it seems to be very effective on static shots. However, as soon as the camera moves (panning etc), there is some jerkiness (more so with the IBIS on the X-S10). That happens with Fuji lenses as well though so I don't think the Tamron is performing any worse than a Fuji lens in those situations.

Sorry to hear about the drop, it's gut-wrenching when it happens. Hopefully it can be repaired or replaced. I dropped my 70-300 on its first outing and had to send it for major repair (Fuji actually ended up sending me a new one for the cost of the repair).

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OP sluggy_warrior Veteran Member • Posts: 3,200
Re: dropped Tamron 17-70/2.8
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Morris0 wrote:

I've dropped my share of gear over the years and it's strange how some falls that you would expect to be a disaster do nothing and others that seem lesser do harm. To rate a lens as stronger or better constructed based on a single incident is simply a guess.

Yeah, it's just a guess. Given I can't replicate the drop to other cameras/lenses, there's no conclusion. Even watching people performing drop tests of smartphones, just simply landing on the edge or the corner makes a whole difference, for example.

OP sluggy_warrior Veteran Member • Posts: 3,200
Re: dropped Tamron 17-70/2.8
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Lettermanian wrote:

I also have this lens and would agree with your statement, except to add the caveat that at f2.8 at minimum focus distance the images are soft, with some CA. Once the lens is stopped down to f4 or 5.6, again at MFD, the image is much sharper.

that reminds me that I still need to take calibration shots for CA ;-( That'll have to wait until I have the lens fixed then.

Very interesting, I really haven't noticed a speed issue with my X-T3 and X-S10. I wonder if the older cameras affect the start-up?

that's what I was hoping for, great justification to upgrade the body However, the X-T2 + X-T20 is almost a perfect pair, having the same sensor makes post-processing much easier.

I didn't measure with a stop-watch, but the Fuji lenses took "one-thousand-one" count to have the screen ready, the Tamron took "one-thousand-one-one-thousand-two".

I haven't encountered this on my setup, so again it makes me wonder if the lens is somehow not optimized for older bodies (or vice versa). Interesting that Fuji released fw updates for these Tamron lenses to the X-T100/200 and X-A5/7, but not (yet?) to older Fuji bodies...

crossing fingers that it's just the older body, or just this copy of the lens. Could have been me switching it off/on too rapidly due to the nature of a busy Summit.

Sorry to hear about the drop, it's gut-wrenching when it happens. Hopefully it can be repaired or replaced. I dropped my 70-300 on its first outing and had to send it for major repair (Fuji actually ended up sending me a new one for the cost of the repair).

The lens didn't take a direct contact with the ground thanks to the thick wool cap, and there's the rubber bands on it zoom ring, so I think there's no damage to the internal of the lens. Those plastic screw-holes probably even saved the mount by being the weakest link and took all the forces instead. I'm quite happy with this lens, definitely will buy another if I need to.

OP sluggy_warrior Veteran Member • Posts: 3,200
Re: dropped Tamron 17-70/2.8

Rightsaidfred wrote:

Thank you for the review and the interesting photos of the 'offals'. Reminds me of yukosteel

It's just the nature of the tinkerer in me! Gotta make the most out of the accident

fernandojval
fernandojval Regular Member • Posts: 428
Re: dejó caer Tamron 17-70/2.8

Those accidents take your breath away. I hope the cost of the repair is not too high.

Two questions:

1.- Why do you have those two blue rubber bands on the zoom ring?

2.- Have you observed any strange effect of rings of different light exposure when shooting at f2.8 if you process with Adobe software?

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OP sluggy_warrior Veteran Member • Posts: 3,200
Re: dejó caer Tamron 17-70/2.8
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fernandojval wrote:

Those accidents take your breath away. I hope the cost of the repair is not too high.

Tamron gave an estimate of $250. I'm sending it in today, the technician will let me know the final cost once they receive it.

Two questions:

1.- Why do you have those two blue rubber bands on the zoom ring?

Just my habit, they provide better grip than the zoom ring itself. Also, I had the zoom ring scratched or get dirty when I'm not paying attention where I put the camera down (just show how careless I am ), the rubber bands provide some protection. I also use different colors on different lenses, so it's easier to grab the right one in a hurry.

2.- Have you observed any strange effect of rings of different light exposure when shooting at f2.8 if you process with Adobe software?

Are you referring to your other post? I posted a reply there, you can try processing my shot with Adobe software to see if you still get the same issue.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66419768

I only use darktable so I haven't seen anything strange (even processing your shot). AFAIK there are two ways the software can get the correction data:

1. from the image's EXIF (provided by the lens/camera firmware), or

2. by the software maker (e.g. Adobe get their correction data themselves or from Tamron, and have it saved in the software's DB).

darktable falls into #2. It actually relies on an external DB called lensfun, which doesn't have this lens profile yet, so I had to create one myself. There has been initial work on reading the data directly from EXIF instead (method #1), but that's still a work in progress.

OP sluggy_warrior Veteran Member • Posts: 3,200
made in Vietnam

Took a few more shots around the broken part today before sending it in, and surprised to realize it's made in Vietnam!

unhappymeal Senior Member • Posts: 2,620
Re: made in Vietnam

sluggy_warrior wrote:

Took a few more shots around the broken part today before sending it in, and surprised to realize it's made in Vietnam!

Why is that surprising? A lot of lens manufacturing is done there. Olympus moved all manufacturing to Vietnam and Nikon moved their body manufacturing to Thailand. They also make some Z lenses in Vietnam.

OP sluggy_warrior Veteran Member • Posts: 3,200
$250 repair
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Got the lens back from Tamron two weeks ago, all operations seem to work well.

The repair cost was $250 + shipping. If parts were available, I think I can easily fix it for cheaper, just a few broken ribbon cables and the outer plastic case.

Also asked Tamron about the 2-second delay on start up (vs 1-second for Fuji lenses) on X-T2 and X-T20, they said it's performing within specs. Since I don't plan on upgrading bodies anytime soon, I guess I'll have to live with that for a while

So far, this 17-70 is now my primary daily, replacing the 18-55 and 18-135, pairing nicely with the 50-140 on the other body.

CAcreeks
CAcreeks Forum Pro • Posts: 18,924
Re: $250 repair
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sluggy_warrior wrote:

Got the lens back from Tamron two weeks ago, all operations seem to work well.

Yay!

The repair cost was $250 + shipping. If parts were available, I think I can easily fix it for cheaper, just a few broken ribbon cables and the outer plastic case.

Not a bad price.

Also asked Tamron about the 2-second delay on start up (vs 1-second for Fuji lenses) on X-T2 and X-T20, they said it's performing within specs. Since I don't plan on upgrading bodies anytime soon, I guess I'll have to live with that for a while

So far, this 17-70 is now my primary daily, replacing the 18-55 and 18-135, pairing nicely with the 50-140 on the other body.

Good to hear that you like the 17-70/2.8. Sigma 18-50/2.8 was rumored to be coming for XF mount, but it's not here yet.

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