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phazelag
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Re: DXO Labs NR
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I have an m50 mark 2 body coming today.   I am not a fan of not having a dedicated EVF.   When I am not doing this most of my photos I like having a flash for day time fill using high speed sync or leaf shutter camera (point and shoot) so I have never considered the M6 or M6 2.

not sure how long I will be doing the skate photos so I will see what I get like this for a few contests and then decide about upgrading

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Re: DXO Labs NR
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I tried going above 1/500 to 1/640 and 1/800 and found that the quality of facial detail and skin detail diminishes greatly above 1/500 in this level of dark as I have to 8000-10000-12800 ISO and at those shutters there is very little light.

DXO labs was incredible on the CR3 files but all the photos at 1/500 were way better that faster shutters. The slow FPS of 7.5 doesn't alway capture the same series as I am trying to predict her movements so complete apples to apples isn't always available but these photos were the only usable above 1/500.

Regardless your help has be invaluable thank you. Any other canon crops sensors with faster FPS and AF?

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Re: DXO Labs NR
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phazelag wrote:

Regardless your help has be invaluable thank you. Any other canon crops sensors with faster FPS and AF?

The M6 II has a newer sensor with 32Mpix, faster AF, faster FPS, and take better pics in the dark. And there is a special pic mode, where you can choose the best picture in a second or so, taken at 30fps.

You can try also the new R10 (24 Mpix) and R7 (32 Mpix with IBIS), with even better AF. IBIS won't help you here though, as you need speed.

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Comp Day Photos

These are the photos from todays comp.   I got the R7 as 15fps really helps.   But I think the M50 is great.    I will be keeping it.    I think the F1.8 at 100mm Shallow DOF may be contributing to some soft faces but I am not sure.   Lots of soft face as this speed in the darkness.   Tracking helps but loses her in the turns alot.   Not sure what to do there.

Skating comp photos Super Dark Rink

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Re: Comp Day Photos

phazelag wrote:

These are the photos from todays comp. I got the R7 as 15fps really helps. But I think the M50 is great. I will be keeping it. I think the F1.8 at 100mm Shallow DOF may be contributing to some soft faces but I am not sure. Lots of soft face as this speed in the darkness. Tracking helps but loses her in the turns alot. Not sure what to do there.

Skating comp photos Super Dark Rink

I think this would be a good question to post in the R Forum. Lots of R7 users who can help .

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Re: Comp Day Photos

phazelag wrote:

These are the photos from todays comp. I got the R7 as 15fps really helps. But I think the M50 is great. I will be keeping it. I think the F1.8 at 100mm Shallow DOF may be contributing to some soft faces but I am not sure. Lots of soft face as this speed in the darkness. Tracking helps but loses her in the turns alot. Not sure what to do there.

Skating comp photos Super Dark Rink

I am thinking rent a R5.

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Re: Comp Day Photos

m100 wrote:

phazelag wrote:

These are the photos from todays comp. I got the R7 as 15fps really helps. But I think the M50 is great. I will be keeping it. I think the F1.8 at 100mm Shallow DOF may be contributing to some soft faces but I am not sure. Lots of soft face as this speed in the darkness. Tracking helps but loses her in the turns alot. Not sure what to do there.

Skating comp photos Super Dark Rink

I am thinking rent a R5.

The R5 is an exceptional camera.  Very capable shooting about anything.  I trust it completely.

The R7 does have stickier (Human) Eye AF though, and more AF customizability.  I wish they'd give this to the R5 in a firmware update!

R2

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Re: Comp Day Photos

R2D2 wrote:

m100 wrote:

phazelag wrote:

These are the photos from todays comp. I got the R7 as 15fps really helps. But I think the M50 is great. I will be keeping it. I think the F1.8 at 100mm Shallow DOF may be contributing to some soft faces but I am not sure. Lots of soft face as this speed in the darkness. Tracking helps but loses her in the turns alot. Not sure what to do there.

Skating comp photos Super Dark Rink

I am thinking rent a R5.

The R5 is an exceptional camera. Very capable shooting about anything. I trust it completely.

The R7 does have stickier (Human) Eye AF though, and more AF customizability. I wish they'd give this to the R5 in a firmware update!

R2

I am thinking he would want her whole body in focus and in the lower light high ISO will be required and the R5 or R6 would be better.

Why rent a R6 though.

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Re: Comp Day Photos

m100 wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

m100 wrote:

phazelag wrote:

These are the photos from todays comp. I got the R7 as 15fps really helps. But I think the M50 is great. I will be keeping it. I think the F1.8 at 100mm Shallow DOF may be contributing to some soft faces but I am not sure. Lots of soft face as this speed in the darkness. Tracking helps but loses her in the turns alot. Not sure what to do there.

Skating comp photos Super Dark Rink

I am thinking rent a R5.

The R5 is an exceptional camera. Very capable shooting about anything. I trust it completely.

The R7 does have stickier (Human) Eye AF though, and more AF customizability. I wish they'd give this to the R5 in a firmware update!

R2

I am thinking he would want her whole body in focus and in the lower light high ISO will be required

Unfortunately he's already pretty close to max (acceptable) ISO with his R7. Deeper DOF would help things, but IMHO a faster shutter speed would be the more pressing need (re: Comp photos @ 1/500 second).

and the R5 or R6 would be better.

Certainly, but above what the OP wanted to spend initially.

Why rent a R6 though.

Sorry, I missed your earlier point. I was thinking that YOU'D want to rent an R5, not that the OP should rent one. An R6 would indeed be an option too, as the skating shots wouldn't necessarily need the benefits that the R5 provides (over the R6).

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Re: Comp Day Photos

R2D2 wrote:

m100 wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

m100 wrote:

phazelag wrote:

These are the photos from todays comp. I got the R7 as 15fps really helps. But I think the M50 is great. I will be keeping it. I think the F1.8 at 100mm Shallow DOF may be contributing to some soft faces but I am not sure. Lots of soft face as this speed in the darkness. Tracking helps but loses her in the turns alot. Not sure what to do there.

Skating comp photos Super Dark Rink

I am thinking rent a R5.

The R5 is an exceptional camera. Very capable shooting about anything. I trust it completely.

The R7 does have stickier (Human) Eye AF though, and more AF customizability. I wish they'd give this to the R5 in a firmware update!

R2

I am thinking he would want her whole body in focus and in the lower light high ISO will be required

Unfortunately he's already pretty close to max (acceptable) ISO with his R7. Deeper DOF would help things, but IMHO a faster shutter speed would be the more pressing need (re: Comp photos @ 1/500 second).

and the R5 or R6 would be better.

Certainly, but above what the OP wanted to spend initially.

Why rent a R6 though.

Sorry, I missed your earlier point. I was thinking that YOU'D want to rent an R5, not that the OP should rent one. An R6 would indeed be an option too, as the skating shots wouldn't necessarily need the benefits that the R5 provides (over the R6).

R2

More MPs for cropping I guess.

I have run high ISO R5 raw files through PL5 and oh my !

What lens would you suggest for his low light photos to go on the R5 ?

For high ISO the RP could get better shots than a R7 with the right lens ?

That is why I keep my RP. Brings home the low light shots.

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Re: Comp Day Photos

R2D2 wrote:

m100 wrote:

phazelag wrote:

These are the photos from todays comp. I got the R7 as 15fps really helps. But I think the M50 is great. I will be keeping it. I think the F1.8 at 100mm Shallow DOF may be contributing to some soft faces but I am not sure. Lots of soft face as this speed in the darkness. Tracking helps but loses her in the turns alot. Not sure what to do there.

Skating comp photos Super Dark Rink

I am thinking rent a R5.

The R5 is an exceptional camera. Very capable shooting about anything. I trust it completely.

The R7 does have stickier (Human) Eye AF though,

Just don't tell me. I've sold my Sigma 50-100mm f/1.8.

and more AF customizability.

I wish they'd give this to the R5 in a firmware update!

R2

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Re: Comp Day Photos

m100 wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

m100 wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

m100 wrote:

phazelag wrote:

These are the photos from todays comp. I got the R7 as 15fps really helps. But I think the M50 is great. I will be keeping it. I think the F1.8 at 100mm Shallow DOF may be contributing to some soft faces but I am not sure. Lots of soft face as this speed in the darkness. Tracking helps but loses her in the turns alot. Not sure what to do there.

Skating comp photos Super Dark Rink

I am thinking rent a R5.

The R5 is an exceptional camera. Very capable shooting about anything. I trust it completely.

The R7 does have stickier (Human) Eye AF though, and more AF customizability. I wish they'd give this to the R5 in a firmware update!

R2

I am thinking he would want her whole body in focus and in the lower light high ISO will be required

Unfortunately he's already pretty close to max (acceptable) ISO with his R7. Deeper DOF would help things, but IMHO a faster shutter speed would be the more pressing need (re: Comp photos @ 1/500 second).

and the R5 or R6 would be better.

Certainly, but above what the OP wanted to spend initially.

Why rent a R6 though.

Sorry, I missed your earlier point. I was thinking that YOU'D want to rent an R5, not that the OP should rent one. An R6 would indeed be an option too, as the skating shots wouldn't necessarily need the benefits that the R5 provides (over the R6).

R2

More MPs for cropping I guess.

I have run high ISO R5 raw files through PL5 and oh my !

What lens would you suggest for his low light photos to go on the R5 ?

For high ISO the RP could get better shots than a R7 with the right lens ?

That is why I keep my RP. Brings home the low light shots.

FYI I tried 1/640 and 1/800 in the days leading up to and I didn’t see much improvement in detail but way more noise at the same level ISO to wear Deep Prime didn’t help much

I think the rink is just too dark.    The other rinks will be better lit and I am hoping to use faster shutter and less ISO although DXO did great with these on her skin

I think the main problem now is DOF but if these is more light I will try f2.8 and see how that goes.

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Re: Comp Day Photos

phazelag wrote:

m100 wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

m100 wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

m100 wrote:

phazelag wrote:

These are the photos from todays comp. I got the R7 as 15fps really helps. But I think the M50 is great. I will be keeping it. I think the F1.8 at 100mm Shallow DOF may be contributing to some soft faces but I am not sure. Lots of soft face as this speed in the darkness. Tracking helps but loses her in the turns alot. Not sure what to do there.

Skating comp photos Super Dark Rink

I am thinking rent a R5.

The R5 is an exceptional camera. Very capable shooting about anything. I trust it completely.

The R7 does have stickier (Human) Eye AF though, and more AF customizability. I wish they'd give this to the R5 in a firmware update!

R2

I am thinking he would want her whole body in focus and in the lower light high ISO will be required

Unfortunately he's already pretty close to max (acceptable) ISO with his R7. Deeper DOF would help things, but IMHO a faster shutter speed would be the more pressing need (re: Comp photos @ 1/500 second).

and the R5 or R6 would be better.

Certainly, but above what the OP wanted to spend initially.

Why rent a R6 though.

Sorry, I missed your earlier point. I was thinking that YOU'D want to rent an R5, not that the OP should rent one. An R6 would indeed be an option too, as the skating shots wouldn't necessarily need the benefits that the R5 provides (over the R6).

R2

More MPs for cropping I guess.

I have run high ISO R5 raw files through PL5 and oh my !

What lens would you suggest for his low light photos to go on the R5 ?

For high ISO the RP could get better shots than a R7 with the right lens ?

That is why I keep my RP. Brings home the low light shots.

FYI I tried 1/640 and 1/800 in the days leading up to and I didn’t see much improvement in detail but way more noise at the same level ISO to wear Deep Prime didn’t help much

I think the rink is just too dark. The other rinks will be better lit and I am hoping to use faster shutter and less ISO although DXO did great with these on her skin

I think the main problem now is DOF but if these is more light I will try f2.8 and see how that goes.

Yes f/2.8. The R7 will need more light for sure though.

You better rent a R5 with a RF 70-200mm f/2.8 L for when she wins ?

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phazelag
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Re: Comp Day Photos

m100 wrote:

phazelag wrote:

m100 wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

m100 wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

m100 wrote:

phazelag wrote:

These are the photos from todays comp. I got the R7 as 15fps really helps. But I think the M50 is great. I will be keeping it. I think the F1.8 at 100mm Shallow DOF may be contributing to some soft faces but I am not sure. Lots of soft face as this speed in the darkness. Tracking helps but loses her in the turns alot. Not sure what to do there.

Skating comp photos Super Dark Rink

I am thinking rent a R5.

The R5 is an exceptional camera. Very capable shooting about anything. I trust it completely.

The R7 does have stickier (Human) Eye AF though, and more AF customizability. I wish they'd give this to the R5 in a firmware update!

R2

I am thinking he would want her whole body in focus and in the lower light high ISO will be required

Unfortunately he's already pretty close to max (acceptable) ISO with his R7. Deeper DOF would help things, but IMHO a faster shutter speed would be the more pressing need (re: Comp photos @ 1/500 second).

and the R5 or R6 would be better.

Certainly, but above what the OP wanted to spend initially.

Why rent a R6 though.

Sorry, I missed your earlier point. I was thinking that YOU'D want to rent an R5, not that the OP should rent one. An R6 would indeed be an option too, as the skating shots wouldn't necessarily need the benefits that the R5 provides (over the R6).

R2

More MPs for cropping I guess.

I have run high ISO R5 raw files through PL5 and oh my !

What lens would you suggest for his low light photos to go on the R5 ?

For high ISO the RP could get better shots than a R7 with the right lens ?

That is why I keep my RP. Brings home the low light shots.

FYI I tried 1/640 and 1/800 in the days leading up to and I didn’t see much improvement in detail but way more noise at the same level ISO to wear Deep Prime didn’t help much

I think the rink is just too dark. The other rinks will be better lit and I am hoping to use faster shutter and less ISO although DXO did great with these on her skin

I think the main problem now is DOF but if these is more light I will try f2.8 and see how that goes.

Yes f/2.8. The R7 will need more light for sure though.

You better rent a R5 with a RF 70-200mm f/2.8 L for when she wins ?

If I was doing paid work I would for sure just buy an R5 but for my family photos I am very happy with what I can get from my M series and the R7.

All her award photos and group photos I took with the M50 and 11-22 with a flash.

The other skating rinks have better light than this one.    I will try my Sigma 50-150 f2.8 and the 50-100 F1.8 at the 2.8 setting in the other rinks over the season with both the M50 and R7.

Any didn’t mean to derail anyone by mentioning the R7, I just appreciate the help I got here and wanted to show the final work.   The tips and discussions here have applied to both of these cameras perfectly.     DXO is part of my Lightroom work flow now.

Thank you

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Re: Comp Day Photos

phazelag wrote:

m100 wrote:

phazelag wrote:

m100 wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

m100 wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

m100 wrote:

phazelag wrote:

These are the photos from todays comp. I got the R7 as 15fps really helps. But I think the M50 is great. I will be keeping it. I think the F1.8 at 100mm Shallow DOF may be contributing to some soft faces but I am not sure. Lots of soft face as this speed in the darkness. Tracking helps but loses her in the turns alot. Not sure what to do there.

Skating comp photos Super Dark Rink

I am thinking rent a R5.

The R5 is an exceptional camera. Very capable shooting about anything. I trust it completely.

The R7 does have stickier (Human) Eye AF though, and more AF customizability. I wish they'd give this to the R5 in a firmware update!

R2

I am thinking he would want her whole body in focus and in the lower light high ISO will be required

Unfortunately he's already pretty close to max (acceptable) ISO with his R7. Deeper DOF would help things, but IMHO a faster shutter speed would be the more pressing need (re: Comp photos @ 1/500 second).

and the R5 or R6 would be better.

Certainly, but above what the OP wanted to spend initially.

Why rent a R6 though.

Sorry, I missed your earlier point. I was thinking that YOU'D want to rent an R5, not that the OP should rent one. An R6 would indeed be an option too, as the skating shots wouldn't necessarily need the benefits that the R5 provides (over the R6).

R2

More MPs for cropping I guess.

I have run high ISO R5 raw files through PL5 and oh my !

What lens would you suggest for his low light photos to go on the R5 ?

For high ISO the RP could get better shots than a R7 with the right lens ?

That is why I keep my RP. Brings home the low light shots.

FYI I tried 1/640 and 1/800 in the days leading up to and I didn’t see much improvement in detail but way more noise at the same level ISO to wear Deep Prime didn’t help much

I think the rink is just too dark. The other rinks will be better lit and I am hoping to use faster shutter and less ISO although DXO did great with these on her skin

I think the main problem now is DOF but if these is more light I will try f2.8 and see how that goes.

Yes f/2.8. The R7 will need more light for sure though.

You better rent a R5 with a RF 70-200mm f/2.8 L for when she wins ?

If I was doing paid work I would for sure just buy an R5 but for my family photos I am very happy with what I can get from my M series and the R7.

All her award photos and group photos I took with the M50 and 11-22 with a flash.

The other skating rinks have better light than this one. I will try my Sigma 50-150 f2.8 and the 50-100 F1.8 at the 2.8 setting in the other rinks over the season with both the M50 and R7.

Any didn’t mean to derail anyone by mentioning the R7, I just appreciate the help I got here and wanted to show the final work. The tips and discussions here have applied to both of these cameras perfectly. DXO is part of my Lightroom work flow now.

Thank you

You are so blessed.

I have a RP and an EF 100mm L and a RF 35mm for low light stuff.

Will most likely rent a R7 before I buy one.

Very interested in how well the focus peaking works. If it is any improvement over the M50II.

Also interested in how well the IBIS works with the new mirrorless manual focus lenses.

Try getting an answer to those questions. I am going to have to rent one.

I am not having problems getting my photos in focus but I don't even try getting BIF eyes in focus.

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Re: Comp Day Photos

m100 wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

An R6 would indeed be an option too, as the skating shots wouldn't necessarily need the benefits that the R5 provides (over the R6).

R2

More MPs for cropping I guess.

Yes.  Sometimes it feels like you can crop in forever with the R5!

I have run high ISO R5 raw files through PL5 and oh my !

Oh my is right.  With PL5 the sky’s the limit.

What lens would you suggest for his low light photos to go on the R5 ?

As fast (bright) as possible.  Even a prime if the focal length is suitable.  Shutter speed is king on the dance floor.

For high ISO the RP could get better shots than a R7 with the right lens ?

Sorry, I don’t own an RP, so I’d really be speculating.  I do know which (of the two) bodies I’d prefer to go in there with myself though.  

That is why I keep my RP. Brings home the low light shots.

FF definitely helps in low light.  Though there may be other considerations.

R2

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Re: Comp Day Photos

R2D2 wrote:

m100 wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

An R6 would indeed be an option too, as the skating shots wouldn't necessarily need the benefits that the R5 provides (over the R6).

R2

More MPs for cropping I guess.

Yes. Sometimes it feels like you can crop in forever with the R5!

I have run high ISO R5 raw files through PL5 and oh my !

Oh my is right. With PL5 the sky’s the limit.

What lens would you suggest for his low light photos to go on the R5 ?

As fast (bright) as possible. Even a prime if the focal length is suitable. Shutter speed is king on the dance floor.

For high ISO the RP could get better shots than a R7 with the right lens ?

Sorry, I don’t own an RP, so I’d really be speculating. I do know which (of the two) bodies I’d prefer to go in there with myself though.

That is why I keep my RP. Brings home the low light shots.

FF definitely helps in low light. Though there may be other considerations.

R2

Having taken many cameras apart the RP's design really impresses me.

https://kolarivision.com/the-canon-eos-rp-disassembly-and-teardown/

I am going to rent a R7 and see if I like it before selling anything to buy one.

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