Savannah - M6 Mark II

C-RAW used exclusively. Processed with Lightroom exclusively with camera match (Standard) profile exclusively.

Due to most of the shots being low-ISO, it's a good pairing (Lightroom). I prefer DPP4 for high-ISO shots as it handles noise better in my book (preserves color and reduces noise more effectively).

Mech shutter largely used. I switched to silent shutter for the Cathedral for obvious reasons (not to harass the locals, reduce shutter shock) and I believe a few times for those fountain shots also to reduce shutter shock. Pretty sure I used DR+ for those fountain shots... If ISO200 in daylight, that's DR+ in action to pull in some extra highlight data.

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Although I do plan to spin up a thread on what's up lately, I still have a much larger backlog of shots to process. Just posting some stuff in the meantime... The short is yes, I'm seeing shutter shock, and, I am seeing "AF shock". Both exist, which the former gets a lot of attention on the M6 Mark II, the M50 Mark II and M6 Mark II both share some "AF shock" or AF errors... No camera is perfect. The M6 II + M glass gets pretty close in my book though for "fun" shooting.

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I refrain from applying tilt correction or crop (I did 1 degree on the first Cathedral shot, though, still could use a touch more, meh); I put these up to give folks technical review of the output of the M6 II and M lenses, perfection goes out the window. I know there's been quite a bit of critique of my latest output in regards to lack of post, or sloppy shooting technique. I have a family, so I do "run and gun". Time doesn't permit me to setup and breakdown a tripod. That said I'm very happy with the results nonetheless given the conditions but throwing in the disclaimer there...

Beautiful!  I’ve never been there (until now   ).

Our workflow is definitely different.  Wondering what the reasoning is for shooting cRAW, as you don’t need it for any obvious technical reasons (ie to “extend” the buffer, computer speed/storage, etc).

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RLight wrote:

expressions, expressions, expressions!

shoot the expressions like this nice shot that will be a candidate for her wedding slide show someday

for me only 75 -125 great shots in their entire childhood growing up matter - only the 1% best of the best will be remembered

expressions, expressions, expressions, trumps techno details -- the fine grain of the m6II has a film like texture btw and is kinda ok in this shot - though I deploy DXO PL5 to better handle NR

MAC wrote:

RLight wrote:

expressions, expressions, expressions!

shoot the expressions like this nice shot that will be a candidate for her wedding slide show someday

for me only 75 -125 great shots in their entire childhood growing up matter - only the 1% best of the best will be remembered

expressions, expressions, expressions, trumps techno details -- the fine grain of the m6II has a film like texture btw and is kinda ok in this shot - though I deploy DXO PL5 to better handle NR

I posted this due to the value of the expression... From a technical perspective, it isn't the best shot, agreed.

It's 1/80 with motion blur, hence it not being "tack sharp".

I've got an R for that... It has a 1/125 shutter, minimum on C1-C3 setup... I could've raised the shutter here, but, I felt 1/80 was sufficient for most purposes...

It's too bad PhotoLab doesn't support Linux... I'm looking to make the jump. Darktable appears to be the only CR3-compliant Post Processor for Linux though. If any major Post Processor had support for Linux, I'd sign up. Ironically it looks like open-source for me, just like the OS... I may maintain a Mac/Win presence though for DPP4/LR though if it doesn't pan out...

RLight wrote:

It's too bad PhotoLab doesn't support Linux... I'm looking to make the jump. Darktable appears to be the only CR3-compliant Post Processor for Linux though. If any major Post Processor had support for Linux, I'd sign up. Ironically it looks like open-source for me, just like the OS... I may maintain a Mac/Win presence though for DPP4/LR though if it doesn't pan out...

I use PhotoLab via VirtualBox on Linux. It's not the snappiest, but it's still better than DPP4. Just be prepared to walk away and do something else if you are exporting anything with Deep Prime turned on.

As for native Linux options that support CR3, I've recently started using ART, a fork of RawTherapee that adds CR3 support as well as a lot of other nice features including local editing and easier tone adjustments (shadows, highlights, midtones, etc.) and simplifies the workflow. I like it so much that it has displaced PhotoLab as my raw editor for everything except when I want Deep Prime. I used Darktable for a while and prefer ART over that as well. Give it a try when you get a chance. Oh, also, it is compatible with RawTherapee's film simulations , which I find very useful.

Nice photos, by the way. Savannah is a nice photogenic place.

dan the man p wrote:

RLight wrote:

It's too bad PhotoLab doesn't support Linux... I'm looking to make the jump. Darktable appears to be the only CR3-compliant Post Processor for Linux though. If any major Post Processor had support for Linux, I'd sign up. Ironically it looks like open-source for me, just like the OS... I may maintain a Mac/Win presence though for DPP4/LR though if it doesn't pan out...

I use PhotoLab via VirtualBox on Linux. It's not the snappiest, but it's still better than DPP4. Just be prepared to walk away and do something else if you are exporting anything with Deep Prime turned on.

As for native Linux options that support CR3, I've recently started using ART, a fork of RawTherapee that adds CR3 support as well as a lot of other nice features including local editing and easier tone adjustments (shadows, highlights, midtones, etc.) and simplifies the workflow. I like it so much that it has displaced PhotoLab as my raw editor for everything except when I want Deep Prime. I used Darktable for a while and prefer ART over that as well. Give it a try when you get a chance. Oh, also, it is compatible with RawTherapee's film simulations , which I find very useful.

Nice photos, by the way. Savannah is a nice photogenic place.

Thanks for the tip! I will give ART a try.

Now the real question... POP!, Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, or something else... I've never dabbled with POP! , but I've noted it's uptake in popularity lately and it does have native AMD driver support. Dunno how I feel about GNOME and to have to deal with package management/support though... Ubuntu makes that "easy".

RLight wrote:

dan the man p wrote:

RLight wrote:

It's too bad PhotoLab doesn't support Linux... I'm looking to make the jump. Darktable appears to be the only CR3-compliant Post Processor for Linux though. If any major Post Processor had support for Linux, I'd sign up. Ironically it looks like open-source for me, just like the OS... I may maintain a Mac/Win presence though for DPP4/LR though if it doesn't pan out...

I use PhotoLab via VirtualBox on Linux. It's not the snappiest, but it's still better than DPP4. Just be prepared to walk away and do something else if you are exporting anything with Deep Prime turned on.

As for native Linux options that support CR3, I've recently started using ART, a fork of RawTherapee that adds CR3 support as well as a lot of other nice features including local editing and easier tone adjustments (shadows, highlights, midtones, etc.) and simplifies the workflow. I like it so much that it has displaced PhotoLab as my raw editor for everything except when I want Deep Prime. I used Darktable for a while and prefer ART over that as well. Give it a try when you get a chance. Oh, also, it is compatible with RawTherapee's film simulations , which I find very useful.

Nice photos, by the way. Savannah is a nice photogenic place.

Thanks for the tip! I will give ART a try.

Now the real question... POP!, Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, or something else... I've never dabbled with POP! , but I've noted it's uptake in popularity lately and it does have native AMD driver support. Dunno how I feel about GNOME and to have to deal with package management/support though... Ubuntu makes that "easy".

Well, personally, I use Slackware, which isn't what I consider "hard" but also not what I would recommended as an easy option. As far as ART is concerned, there is a binary under the downloads section of the site that may work on Ubuntu, as well as an AppImage that says it works on Ubuntu 20.04 and later. I haven't tried them, but I expect they should be built with CR3 support enabled. I would probably go with Ubuntu and try one of those first in your position.

dan the man p wrote:

RLight wrote:

dan the man p wrote:

RLight wrote:

It's too bad PhotoLab doesn't support Linux... I'm looking to make the jump. Darktable appears to be the only CR3-compliant Post Processor for Linux though. If any major Post Processor had support for Linux, I'd sign up. Ironically it looks like open-source for me, just like the OS... I may maintain a Mac/Win presence though for DPP4/LR though if it doesn't pan out...

I use PhotoLab via VirtualBox on Linux. It's not the snappiest, but it's still better than DPP4. Just be prepared to walk away and do something else if you are exporting anything with Deep Prime turned on.

As for native Linux options that support CR3, I've recently started using ART, a fork of RawTherapee that adds CR3 support as well as a lot of other nice features including local editing and easier tone adjustments (shadows, highlights, midtones, etc.) and simplifies the workflow. I like it so much that it has displaced PhotoLab as my raw editor for everything except when I want Deep Prime. I used Darktable for a while and prefer ART over that as well. Give it a try when you get a chance. Oh, also, it is compatible with RawTherapee's film simulations , which I find very useful.

Nice photos, by the way. Savannah is a nice photogenic place.

Thanks for the tip! I will give ART a try.

Now the real question... POP!, Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, or something else... I've never dabbled with POP! , but I've noted it's uptake in popularity lately and it does have native AMD driver support. Dunno how I feel about GNOME and to have to deal with package management/support though... Ubuntu makes that "easy".

Well, personally, I use Slackware, which isn't what I consider "hard" but also not what I would recommended as an easy option. As far as ART is concerned, there is a binary under the downloads section of the site that may work on Ubuntu, as well as an AppImage that says it works on Ubuntu 20.04 and later. I haven't tried them, but I expect they should be built with CR3 support enabled. I would probably go with Ubuntu and try one of those first in your position.

Never heard of Slackware…

Why would one prefer Slackware for personal work? I should add I write my own shell; CLI or forks are just fine here.

RLight wrote:

Never heard of Slackware…

Why would one prefer Slackware for personal work? I should add I write my own shell; CLI or forks are just fine here.

Slackware is actually the oldest surviving Linux distribution. It has a reputation for being difficult to use, which I don't think is wholly justified, at least not anymore. I like it because it is stable and very easy to adjust to your liking by creating your own software packages or modifying official ones. For example, to enable CR3 support in ART, I first rebuilt the exiv2 package enabling an option that is disabled by default due to patent concerns. Then I built ART from source. (None of this should be necessary if using one of the official builds, by the way.) You could certainly do this sort of thing in other distros too, but it often takes more fighting against the auto-dependency-resolving package manager. The flip side of this, and the reason people consider it hard, is that package management works very differently from most other distros. There is no automatic dependency resolution; you're supposed to install mostly everything to avoid such issues. That's not actually as bad as it sounds, because "everything" is a lot less than most other distros, and most other software you may need can be obtained from a secondary source-based repository called SlackBuilds.org that does include dependency resolution. The other reason for its reputation is that system administration is pretty much all CLI based.

All that is more work than most people are looking for, but I find the flexibility very useful at times. Plus, after using it for 6 years, I have a lot of inertia and don't really want to switch to something else.

dan the man p wrote:

RLight wrote:

Never heard of Slackware…

Why would one prefer Slackware for personal work? I should add I write my own shell; CLI or forks are just fine here.

Slackware is actually the oldest surviving Linux distribution. It has a reputation for being difficult to use, which I don't think is wholly justified, at least not anymore. I like it because it is stable and very easy to adjust to your liking by creating your own software packages or modifying official ones. For example, to enable CR3 support in ART, I first rebuilt the exiv2 package enabling an option that is disabled by default due to patent concerns. Then I built ART from source. (None of this should be necessary if using one of the official builds, by the way.) The flip side of this, and the reason people consider it hard, is that package management works very differently from most other distros. There is no automatic dependency resolution; you're supposed to install mostly everything to avoid such issues. That's not actually as bad as it sounds, because "everything" is a lot less than most other distros, and most other software you may need can be obtained from a secondary source-based repository called SlackBuilds.org that does include dependency resolution. The other reason for its reputation is that system administration is pretty much all CLI based.

All that is more work than most people are looking for, but I find the flexibility very useful at times. Plus, after using it for 6 years, I have a lot of inertia and don't really want to switch to something else.

Interesting. I’m all for CLI administration, however it does sound upside down. Sounds like Alpine met Mint, or something to that effect where you have a small base repo but interoperability.

RLight wrote:

dan the man p wrote:

RLight wrote:

Never heard of Slackware…

Why would one prefer Slackware for personal work? I should add I write my own shell; CLI or forks are just fine here.

Slackware is actually the oldest surviving Linux distribution. It has a reputation for being difficult to use, which I don't think is wholly justified, at least not anymore. I like it because it is stable and very easy to adjust to your liking by creating your own software packages or modifying official ones. For example, to enable CR3 support in ART, I first rebuilt the exiv2 package enabling an option that is disabled by default due to patent concerns. Then I built ART from source. (None of this should be necessary if using one of the official builds, by the way.) The flip side of this, and the reason people consider it hard, is that package management works very differently from most other distros. There is no automatic dependency resolution; you're supposed to install mostly everything to avoid such issues. That's not actually as bad as it sounds, because "everything" is a lot less than most other distros, and most other software you may need can be obtained from a secondary source-based repository called SlackBuilds.org that does include dependency resolution. The other reason for its reputation is that system administration is pretty much all CLI based.

All that is more work than most people are looking for, but I find the flexibility very useful at times. Plus, after using it for 6 years, I have a lot of inertia and don't really want to switch to something else.

Interesting. I’m all for CLI administration, however it does sound upside down. Sounds like Alpine met Mint, or something to that effect where you have a small base repo but interoperability.

It's a bit like how most of the BSDs work, except that they generally include dependency resolution in the base system as well.

Savannah is a fantastic city. I have been there a few times and always have a wonderful experience. Now I am craving Vincent Van Go Go pizza! Great shots!