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4k 3D macro frame from video

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3D Gunner Senior Member • Posts: 1,031
4k 3D macro frame from video

The video clip have nothing interesting in it (no bugs, nothing special), it was captured just to adjust some macro parameters.
Frame width per eye is 48mm, working distance 19cm, distance from subject to sensor is 31cm, distance between lenses is 9mm, f:11, custom made macro 3D device.
The 3D depth in focus plane is very good if the clip/image is viewed with a VR device.
The overall depth, so including the background, is too large for viewing on large screens or with VR devices. The problem is specific to 3D macro images, where compressed/shallower backgrounds are recommended.

3D images with exaggerated depth cannot be comfortably viewed with VR devices or on large screens.
3D depth should be calculated in advance for the size of the screen on which it is intended to be viewed.

For the cross-eyed viewing. For viewing on VR device it is necessary to invert the images (parallel mode).

Brian F Flint
Brian F Flint Regular Member • Posts: 184
Re: 4k 3D macro frame from video

I viewed the image on my 26 inch PC monitor from a distance of around I metre using the 3d cross-view method. The image is sharp and easy to view . The strength of the 3d is about right. That is the distance of the subject to the lens system with 9mm lens spacing gives a comfortable 3d viewing experience.

 Brian F Flint's gear list:Brian F Flint's gear list
Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS60 Sony RX10 III Canon MP-E 65mm f/2.5 1-5x Macro
OP 3D Gunner Senior Member • Posts: 1,031
Re: 4k 3D macro frame from video

A long time ago (2011) I made some videos with two Nikon D5100 cameras in 1080p (lower quality at the time) and a custom beam splitter (with 50/50 mirrors).

2x Nikon D5100 cameras + a custom 3D beam splitter (inverted pair for cross-eyed viewing)

But the newer single camera solution gives much better results (for 3D macro).

Sony A6300 + a custom 3D dual lens system (inverted pair for cross-eyed viewing)

Brian F Flint
Brian F Flint Regular Member • Posts: 184
Re: 4k 3D macro frame from video

My rig for macro video uses two Panasonic TZ80 ( ZS60 in the USA ) cameras with a custom made beam splitter using a 50/50 mirror. It also can have fitted a single close-up lens ( achromatic ) for closer focusing. I mainly film at 1280 x 720 pixels 120fps. The TZ80 does a good quality clip at this setting. I like 120fps because filming insects is easier because they tend to move very fast. Also I can sync the timing of the two clips for left the right cameras to the nearest frame which is 1/120 of a second.

In this example I am hand holding the rig and trying to get the distance right for focusing on the insect ( which is on the move ). I aligned this clip in Davinci Resolve and output at 2560 x 1440 pixels 30fps.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18X15mEP5ixryrL7Q-YIe5EbD_rT4jjpd/view?usp=sharing

 Brian F Flint's gear list:Brian F Flint's gear list
Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS60 Sony RX10 III Canon MP-E 65mm f/2.5 1-5x Macro
OP 3D Gunner Senior Member • Posts: 1,031
Re: 4k 3D macro frame from video

For my purposes, 1280 x 720 pixels/eye is a far too low resolution. The Sony A6300 can shoot 120 fps at 1920 x 1080 resolution, but it's still too little. Even 2x4k resolution is too little for high quality VR devices, which offer screens up to 2560x2560 pixels per eye resolution.
Preparing materials for VR devices requires a completely different approach to photo/video classic materials if even minimal exploitation of virtual space is to be achieved.

I will be testing the preparation of 10,000 x 5000 pixels (5000 x 5000 per eye) resolution video material, to allow for head tracking around the area in which the subject is framed.

The problem is that the videos will only be viewable with customized equipment.

I'll show you an example of a 10,000 x 5000 pixel video frame.

Brian F Flint
Brian F Flint Regular Member • Posts: 184
Re: 4k 3D macro frame from video

I would be interested in seeing your high res video frame.

I would guess the Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro 12K would would produce video at that resolution.

My two Panasonic TZ80 cameras don't do a very good 4k. The image seems soft , but then it is a low cost consumer camera. Here is an example of each TZ80 recording at 4K 30fps and the footage aligned using Davinci Resolve and output at 4K 30fps. Taken using my rig on a windy day.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1b5s61pmuaeDFXFk8E7LYue_SR-9Q8GX7/view?usp=sharing

I could upgrade by using two Sony RX100vi cameras. They would fit on my rig quite well and they are not too heavy.  They can zoom to 200mm (35mm equiv ) which with my close-up lens would give good macro results. I think if I recorded on each camera at 4k there would be a reasonable improvement to what I get on the Panasonic TZ80 at 4K. Its all a question of spending money. They are around £600 each on ebay ( used ).

I am not into VR so better resolution is not so important to me.

 Brian F Flint's gear list:Brian F Flint's gear list
Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS60 Sony RX10 III Canon MP-E 65mm f/2.5 1-5x Macro
OP 3D Gunner Senior Member • Posts: 1,031
Re: 4k 3D macro frame from video

A 3D system with 2 x Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro 12K is far too expensive and far too heavy. It is not justified for my needs. I need a system that is as easy to carry and handle as possible in hard to reach places.

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So I mounted two slightly enlarged 4k clips with a crop on the width (captured with two Panasonic GH4) and mounted them in 8k format. The idea is that as much space in the frame as possible should be taken up with information to allow navigation in the virtual space beyond what is marked in red.

The inside of the red frame contains 2400 x 2400 pixels and I want the image contained in 2400 x 2400 pixels to give as much detail as possible to the viewer.
A 12k frame could contain information that would provide navigation in a 180* 3D space at reasonable quality.

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