Using manual lenses on an M200

DavidWright2010 wrote:

I can't find the feature 'enable shutter when no lens detected'. I don't remember having to do anything with my M100 - both manual lenses that I have, work with it.

Youtube videos are mostly long and useless, and the only ones that alleged to show the fix used a different model Canon, and a menu choice the M200 doesn't have.

Anybody know the solution?

David

You need to set the camera to M, Av, Tv, or P mode, and then going into the custom functions.  If you are in the full auto green A+ mode, none of the custom functions are available in the menu.

DavidWright2010 wrote:

DavidWright2010 wrote:

nnowak wrote:

DavidWright2010 wrote:

I can't find the feature 'enable shutter when no lens detected'. I don't remember having to do anything with my M100 - both manual lenses that I have, work with it.

Youtube videos are mostly long and useless, and the only ones that alleged to show the fix used a different model Canon, and a menu choice the M200 doesn't have.

Anybody know the solution?

David

You need to set the camera to M, Av, Tv, or P mode, and then going into the custom functions. If you are in the full auto green A+ mode, none of the custom functions are available in the menu.

I tried that. i'm in M model - no A+ green.

And no menu function about 'enable shutter...'

Got any other ideas?

Bingo!

I hadn't noticed that there were 5 custom functions (only 1 visible at a time), and an arrow left and right to navigate. I needed CF 5

On the M100, there are only 2 CFs, and they are both visible all the time..

David

Glad you got it sorted. You are not alone.  Your question is a regular occurrence in these forums.

dwfrommonterey wrote:

Why they don't just enable this is bizarre.

I have wondered the same thing.  Maybe they got too many warranty requests from people poking the shutter curtains with their fingers.

Maxmolly7 wrote:

nnowak wrote:

dwfrommonterey wrote:

Why they don't just enable this is bizarre.

I have wondered the same thing. Maybe they got too many warranty requests from people poking the shutter curtains with their fingers.

TYes, this makes some sense to it.

None of my EOS M models have visible shutter blades when I remove the lens, and all defaulted to not firing if no lens was detected.

I think it's more about inviting the user to think about what (s)he is doing before using a manual lens. It might stop people from complaining that the camera won't set the aperture from the body and can't autofocus or use A+, P, Tv, or the scene modes properly with such a lens.

Sittatunga wrote:

Maxmolly7 wrote:

nnowak wrote:

dwfrommonterey wrote:

Why they don't just enable this is bizarre.

I have wondered the same thing. Maybe they got too many warranty requests from people poking the shutter curtains with their fingers.

TYes, this makes some sense to it.

None of my EOS M models have visible shutter blades when I remove the lens, and all defaulted to not firing if no lens was detected.

It is not just EOS M.  Mirrorless cameras from many other manufacturers behave the same way.

I think it's more about inviting the user to think about what (s)he is doing before using a manual lens. It might stop people from complaining that the camera won't set the aperture from the body and can't autofocus or use A+, P, Tv, or the scene modes properly with such a lens.

The problem with that logic is the "manual" nature of a manual focus lens is far more common knowledge than knowing that an obscure firmware flag needs to be set to enable the shutter.

Analog4Ever wrote:

I'm pretty sure the OG M had a menu flag you could set. I had the M2 as well and I know that I shot manual lenses using both. Haven't tried using manual on my M100. Not really curious enough to try it.

They all have the firmware flag.  Many other mirrorless cameras from other manufacturers also require a similar setting change to enable the shutter.  It's not just a Canon thing, but it doesn't make it any less dumb.

nnowak wrote:

Sittatunga wrote:

Maxmolly7 wrote:

nnowak wrote:

dwfrommonterey wrote:

Why they don't just enable this is bizarre.

I have wondered the same thing. Maybe they got too many warranty requests from people poking the shutter curtains with their fingers.

TYes, this makes some sense to it.

None of my EOS M models have visible shutter blades when I remove the lens, and all defaulted to not firing if no lens was detected.

It is not just EOS M. Mirrorless cameras from many other manufacturers behave the same way.

So it's common knowledge for mirrorless camera users, but not necessarily known by people coming from DSLRs.

I think it's more about inviting the user to think about what (s)he is doing before using a manual lens. It might stop people from complaining that the camera won't set the aperture from the body and can't autofocus or use A+, P, Tv, or the scene modes properly with such a lens.

The problem with that logic is the "manual" nature of a manual focus lens is far more common knowledge than knowing that an obscure firmware flag needs to be set to enable the shutter.

I'd have thought that too. But there was a thread in the EOS. R forum from somebody who knew that but still wanted to know why a manual RF mount lens sort of fit but wouldn't work on the mount adapter EF - EOS R, so you can't take anything for granted.

Maxmolly7 wrote:

I guess that the Mxxx line is not suposed to support manual lenses.

I know that it is, and use them regularly

Maxmolly7 wrote:

I guess that the Mxxx line is not suposed to support manual lenses.

Without exception, ALL M system cameras can be configured to work with manual lenses.

Sittatunga wrote:

nnowak wrote:

Sittatunga wrote:

Maxmolly7 wrote:

nnowak wrote:

dwfrommonterey wrote:

Why they don't just enable this is bizarre.

I have wondered the same thing. Maybe they got too many warranty requests from people poking the shutter curtains with their fingers.

TYes, this makes some sense to it.

None of my EOS M models have visible shutter blades when I remove the lens, and all defaulted to not firing if no lens was detected.

It is not just EOS M. Mirrorless cameras from many other manufacturers behave the same way.

So it's common knowledge for mirrorless camera users, but not necessarily known by people coming from DSLRs.

It is only common knowledge for those thst have attempted to use a manual lens AND found the firmware setting.  I am sure there are some thst just give up when it doesn't work the first time.

There are also the few among us who burn up a battery, or two, scrolling through every firmware setting on a new camera.

I think it's more about inviting the user to think about what (s)he is doing before using a manual lens. It might stop people from complaining that the camera won't set the aperture from the body and can't autofocus or use A+, P, Tv, or the scene modes properly with such a lens.

The problem with that logic is the "manual" nature of a manual focus lens is far more common knowledge than knowing that an obscure firmware flag needs to be set to enable the shutter.

I'd have thought that too. But there was a thread in the EOS. R forum from somebody who knew that but still wanted to know why a manual RF mount lens sort of fit but wouldn't work on the mount adapter EF - EOS R, so you can't take anything for granted.

If you read some of the Amazon reviews for lenses, they are littered with one star ratings because the lens they bought didn't actually fit their camera.