R7 or R/RP for shooting my toddler?

lightwriter wrote:

Distinctly Average wrote:

lightwriter wrote:

Distinctly Average wrote:

lightwriter wrote:

Hi there!

I have at the moment a Canon 700D with the kit lens, the EF-S 10-18mm STM and the EF 35mm f/2.

I'm thinking of buying into the mirrorless system, because I have a daughter with 20 months, and I want to be able to photograph her and take some videos where I can rely on the autofocus.

I know the R7 has IBIS and better video, but I'm no birder nor do I shoot sports. Are the R/RP better options for me or are they too long on the tooth?

Have you considered the R10?

I have indeed, but Canon's cripple hammer striked again in the left out IBIS...I would like to film some clips, and that's kind of a deal breaker.

Fair comment.,Sort of knocks out the R and RP too

Unless I'm wrong, and the IS built in the lenses is sufficient...

Lens IS is sufficient depending on the lens. Older EF/EF-S lenses will have hunting focus and the IS in the lens can be too noisy for video. I have the EF-S 17-55mm and EF-S 15-85mm and both are terrible for shooting video.  Any older, or even newer, USM AF EF/EF-S lens could be the same.  Nearly all STM stabilized lenses will work well for video as would all stabilized RF lenses.

lightwriter wrote:

Hi there!

I have at the moment a Canon 700D with the kit lens, the EF-S 10-18mm STM and the EF 35mm f/2.

I'm thinking of buying into the mirrorless system, because I have a daughter with 20 months, and I want to be able to photograph her and take some videos where I can rely on the autofocus.

I know the R7 has IBIS and better video, but I'm no birder nor do I shoot sports. Are the R/RP better options for me or are they too long on the tooth?

If I were going to have just one camera it would have to be FF.  The low light noise benefits of FF over APS-C are substantial as is the bokeh (background blur) one can get.  If I had to choose between the R and R7 being at similar price points it would be a tough choice.  In the end, I think the R is what I would choose.  I have owned the R for two years now and it is a solid camera.  It does so many things very well and the latest firmware update really enhanced its AF ability which is why I finally bought it.  IBIS is a very nice feature but lens IS makes this not so much an issue unless you plan to shoot a lot with unstabilized prime lenses.  IBIS can enhance lens IS but only by say taking a 5-6 stop IS lens and making it one stop better.  The improvement doesn't mean all that much in the overwhelming majority of shooting situations.

IMO, the R is more than sufficient for shooting children and even sports to a certain degree.  Its not going to rattle off 20-30 fps but in normal situations, shooting at this fps is just massive overkill.  As for video, the R shoots 4K with a substantial crop but I have the EF-S 10-18mm and have found it works perfectly on the R for 4k video.  There are some very nice fairly affordable RF lenses like the upcoming RF 15-30mm that would work very well on the R for stills and video shooting.  For your situation the RF 24-240mm would be a perfect one lens solution for you to start with.  I have this lens and absolutely love using it.  The focal range is fantastic and allows one to capture so many good shots that would be missed if lens changes had to be made to get the right focal length.

With the above said, I don't think you can go wrong with the R, R7 or R10.  I would not disregard the R10 in your decision process.  It doesn't have IBIS but this isn't a deal breaker if you plan to rely heavily on stabilized lenses.  As you mentioned in another response, IBIS is mostly good for using unstabilized lenses.  When using stabilized lenses its usefulness is greatly diminished.  For this reason, I would look hard at it as a possible replacement for your 700D.  Plus, the R10 saves you $500 over the R7 and $600 over the R.

lightwriter wrote:

Fjzk wrote:

The RP will cost 500-700 dollars less than the R and R7, have great low low light performance, and get the job done and far as family pics or children moving around the house. If money is not constraint I agree the R7 and R are better cameras. The R10 is also an option at the same price of the RP.

The thing that irks me is that the R10 doesn't have IBIS, while all the competitors do have it. Nowadays I think it's a basic feature to have, but maybe that's just me.

Features are always a game of give and take. The R10 doesn't give you IBIS but you do get the same AF system that is in Canon's top R system camera, the R3, which is also the same AF in the R7. It blows away the AF in its APS-C competitors at any price point. Then it also has the ability to shoot 15 fps with mechanical shutter and 23 fps with the electronic shutter. I am not aware of any camera at its price point that does this. Add these two together and it makes the R10 one very capable camera at a sub $1k price. If I had to choose IBIS or the R10's AF and frame rate it is an easy choice. Canon can keep the IBIS.

lightwriter wrote:

KariP wrote:

lightwriter wrote:

Hi there!

I have at the moment a Canon 700D with the kit lens, the EF-S 10-18mm STM and the EF 35mm f/2.

I'm thinking of buying into the mirrorless system, because I have a daughter with 20 months, and I want to be able to photograph her and take some videos where I can rely on the autofocus.

I know the R7 has IBIS and better video, but I'm no birder nor do I shoot sports. Are the R/RP better options for me or are they too long on the tooth?

I would take R7 - AF is great and it is a new camera. You can use it also later when your toddler starts to run faster. I do not know any benefits of FF cameras for toddler photography.

I've thought about that; when she starts to run, the AF of the R7 is going to prove invaluable.

Don't forget that the R7 and R10 share the same AF system.

UrbanHobbit wrote:

Due to much hard work and good luck before starting our family, and specific choices afterwards, we are fortunate to be able to spend as much time as we want with our kid, and sometimes more time than our kid would prefer. Certainly this is not an option for many. In todays' world, it may escape the imagination of some. But it must take specific life experience to be so thoroughly prescriptive about family dynamics, when replying to a stranger who is talking about autofocus.

I wish I had made more time for my kids as they grew up. They are now in uni and I have no idea where their young years went, it flew by so quickly. Hope the camera brings you many great memories.