Best auto alignment software for photo stacking.

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Invanovich22 Regular Member • Posts: 272
Best auto alignment software for photo stacking.

I want to make photo stacking from images taken without tripod and some of them have little different perspective because camera moved a bit. I tried Photoshop, but its alignment cannot match images precisely one over another still perspective is not perfect.
I know i cam match if i use free transform > distort and do it myself, but i need software that can do it automatically.

TonyGN10 Contributing Member • Posts: 600
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  1. Invanovich22 wrote:

I want to make photo stacking from images taken without tripod and some of them have little different perspective because camera moved a bit. I tried Photoshop, but its alignment cannot match images precisely one over another still perspective is not perfect.
I know i cam match if i use free transform > distort and do it myself, but i need software that can do it automatically.

Try Affinity Photo - I found it’s auto-alignment for stacking works very well - if you’re making hand held shots, it helps if your camera has IBIS!

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Eh Photographer Forum Member • Posts: 87
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Check out Helicon Focus...

OP Invanovich22 Regular Member • Posts: 272
Re: Best auto alignment software for photo stacking.

Eh Photographer wrote:

Check out Helicon Focus...

Tried it cannot handle alignment.

Here are the images if someone wants to try.

Digital Nigel Forum Pro • Posts: 17,024
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Invanovich22 wrote:

Eh Photographer wrote:

Check out Helicon Focus...

Tried it cannot handle alignment.

Here are the images if someone wants to try.

I processed both raw images in PhotoLab using my standard preset, then used Affinity to stitch them. This is the result without cropping:

Stitched in Affinity, using panorama stacking. You can crop it as needed.

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Abbott Schindler Senior Member • Posts: 2,961
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You may need to manually adjust the alignment.

I use Affinity Photo, Helicon Focus and ZereneStacker. Of the three, I find Affinity to be very good generally, Zerene to produce the best results (my eye; yours may vary), and Helicon is somewhere in between while having the most user friendly camera control GUI of the lot. In your case, give Affinity a try.

OP Invanovich22 Regular Member • Posts: 272
Re: Best auto alignment software for photo stacking.

Abbott Schindler wrote:

You may need to manually adjust the alignment.

I use Affinity Photo, Helicon Focus and ZereneStacker. Of the three, I find Affinity to be very good generally, Zerene to produce the best results (my eye; yours may vary), and Helicon is somewhere in between while having the most user friendly camera control GUI of the lot. In your case, give Affinity a try.

Could you try Zerene and Helicon i tried both and result was awful was motion blur on the sides, and ghosting in center, maybe i messed up some setting, was my first time using this.
When i set Helicon Radius to 50 it does slightly better, but still sides are messed up.

OP Invanovich22 Regular Member • Posts: 272
Re: Best auto alignment software for photo stacking.

Digital Nigel wrote:

Invanovich22 wrote:

Eh Photographer wrote:

Check out Helicon Focus...

Tried it cannot handle alignment.

Here are the images if someone wants to try.

I processed both raw images in PhotoLab using my standard preset, then used Affinity to stitch them. This is the result without cropping:

Stitched in Affinity, using panorama stacking. You can crop it as needed.

I think you used a panorama, however what i needed is focus stacking, in this case even Affinity does not provide satisfactory alignment.

File > New Stack, Automatically Align Images - Perspective

Digital Nigel Forum Pro • Posts: 17,024
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Invanovich22 wrote:

Digital Nigel wrote:

Invanovich22 wrote:

Eh Photographer wrote:

Check out Helicon Focus...

Tried it cannot handle alignment.

Here are the images if someone wants to try.

I processed both raw images in PhotoLab using my standard preset, then used Affinity to stitch them. This is the result without cropping:

Stitched in Affinity, using panorama stacking. You can crop it as needed.

I think you used a panorama, however what i needed is focus stacking, in this case even Affinity does not provide satisfactory alignment.

File > New Stack, Automatically Align Images - Perspective

I guess you need properly aligned images, shot on a tripod, for focus stacking.

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TonyGN10 Contributing Member • Posts: 600
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Invanovich22 wrote:

Abbott Schindler wrote:

You may need to manually adjust the alignment.

I use Affinity Photo, Helicon Focus and ZereneStacker. Of the three, I find Affinity to be very good generally, Zerene to produce the best results (my eye; yours may vary), and Helicon is somewhere in between while having the most user friendly camera control GUI of the lot. In your case, give Affinity a try.

Could you try Zerene and Helicon i tried both and result was awful was motion blur on the sides, and ghosting in center, maybe i messed up some setting, was my first time using this.
When i set Helicon Radius to 50 it does slightly better, but still sides are messed up.

I've had great results using focus merge in Affinity Photo. So I was curious and tried aligning these two images in Affinity Photo using focus merge - very poor result. Then I tried using auto-align with stacking - again very poor result.

So in Affinity, I just overlaid both images, one on top of the other and reduced the opacity on one layer to 50%. I have included a screen grab showing just how far apart the two images are!

If you manually align one area of the image, it's way out elsewhere in the image and vice versa. I think you must have significantly shifted your camera position to get such a difference in perspective between the two images.

Sorry, I'm no expert but I can't see any software using auto alignment which could successfully align these two images!!

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Frankie J Regular Member • Posts: 113
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Invanovich22 wrote:

I want to make photo stacking from images taken without tripod and some of them have little different perspective because camera moved a bit. I tried Photoshop, but its alignment cannot match images precisely one over another still perspective is not perfect.
I know i cam match if i use free transform > distort and do it myself, but i need software that can do it automatically.

No, you need a tripod!

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Invanovich22 wrote:

Digital Nigel wrote:

Invanovich22 wrote:

Eh Photographer wrote:

Check out Helicon Focus...

Tried it cannot handle alignment.

Here are the images if someone wants to try.

I processed both raw images in PhotoLab using my standard preset, then used Affinity to stitch them. This is the result without cropping:

Stitched in Affinity, using panorama stacking. You can crop it as needed.

I think you used a panorama, however what i needed is focus stacking, in this case even Affinity does not provide satisfactory alignment.

File > New Stack, Automatically Align Images - Perspective

So, you want a focus stacking software. But why do you need focus stacking software for  landscapes?

Please, educate me.

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OP Invanovich22 Regular Member • Posts: 272
Re: Best auto alignment software for photo stacking.

s_grins wrote:

Invanovich22 wrote:

Digital Nigel wrote:

Invanovich22 wrote:

Eh Photographer wrote:

Check out Helicon Focus...

Tried it cannot handle alignment.

Here are the images if someone wants to try.

I processed both raw images in PhotoLab using my standard preset, then used Affinity to stitch them. This is the result without cropping:

I think you used a panorama, however what i needed is focus stacking, in this case even Affinity does not provide satisfactory alignment.

So, you want a focus stacking software. But why do you need focus stacking software for landscapes?

Please, educate me.

Please see three images in beginning of this article.

TonyGN10 wrote:

Invanovich22 wrote:

Abbott Schindler wrote:

You may need to manually adjust the alignment.

I use Affinity Photo, Helicon Focus and ZereneStacker. Of the three, I find Affinity to be very good generally, Zerene to produce the best results (my eye; yours may vary), and Helicon is somewhere in between while having the most user friendly camera control GUI of the lot. In your case, give Affinity a try.

Could you try Zerene and Helicon i tried both and result was awful was motion blur on the sides, and ghosting in center, maybe i messed up some setting, was my first time using this.
When i set Helicon Radius to 50 it does slightly better, but still sides are messed up.

I've had great results using focus merge in Affinity Photo. So I was curious and tried aligning these two images in Affinity Photo using focus merge - very poor result. Then I tried using auto-align with stacking - again very poor result.

So in Affinity, I just overlaid both images, one on top of the other and reduced the opacity on one layer to 50%. I have included a screen grab showing just how far apart the two images are!

If you manually align one area of the image, it's way out elsewhere in the image and vice versa. I think you must have significantly shifted your camera position to get such a difference in perspective between the two images.

Sorry, I'm no expert but I can't see any software using auto alignment which could successfully align these two images!!

Yes even me trying manually in photoshop i could not make exact match, too much movement indeed. Thanks for verifying.

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Avoid this problem: Tripod
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No software can overcome extreme out-of-alignment.

This landscape shooter shows how to do it right.

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sybersitizen Forum Pro • Posts: 23,572
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Digital Nigel wrote:

Invanovich22 wrote:

I want to make photo stacking from images taken without tripod

I processed both raw images in PhotoLab using my standard preset, then used Affinity to stitch them.

The goal was to stack them, not stitch them.

Affinity Photo couldn't align them precisely for me, and neither could Photoshop. I doubt that any typical stacking tool can do it precisely. Look at the warping and displacement that Photoshop automatically applied when attempting it:

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Alignment algorithms are intended to handle slight variations in the stack due to minor camera movements, not gross ones like this example.

OP Invanovich22 Regular Member • Posts: 272
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sybersitizen wrote:

Digital Nigel wrote:

Invanovich22 wrote:

I want to make photo stacking from images taken without tripod

I processed both raw images in PhotoLab using my standard preset, then used Affinity to stitch them.

The goal was to stack them, not stitch them.

Affinity Photo couldn't align them precisely for me, and neither could Photoshop. I doubt that any typical stacking tool can do it precisely. Look at the warping and displacement that Photoshop automatically applied when attempting it:

Alignment algorithms are intended to handle slight variations in the stack due to minor camera movements, not gross ones like this example.

Found i2k Align, but it worth thousand and there's no demo version available.

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Re: Best auto alignment software for photo stacking.

Invanovich22 wrote:

sybersitizen wrote:

Digital Nigel wrote:

Invanovich22 wrote:

I want to make photo stacking from images taken without tripod

I processed both raw images in PhotoLab using my standard preset, then used Affinity to stitch them.

The goal was to stack them, not stitch them.

Affinity Photo couldn't align them precisely for me, and neither could Photoshop. I doubt that any typical stacking tool can do it precisely. Look at the warping and displacement that Photoshop automatically applied when attempting it:

Alignment algorithms are intended to handle slight variations in the stack due to minor camera movements, not gross ones like this example.

Found i2k Align, but it worth thousand and there's no demo version available.

i2K Align is used in medical and academic settings.

Given the list of academic citations and their user base, this is overkill for the average photographer. This is especially true when good capture technique is used then $50 Affinity Photo can do the job very well. A good tripod costs way less!

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sybersitizen Forum Pro • Posts: 23,572
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Invanovich22 wrote:

sybersitizen wrote:

Digital Nigel wrote:

Invanovich22 wrote:

I want to make photo stacking from images taken without tripod

I processed both raw images in PhotoLab using my standard preset, then used Affinity to stitch them.

The goal was to stack them, not stitch them.

Affinity Photo couldn't align them precisely for me, and neither could Photoshop. I doubt that any typical stacking tool can do it precisely. Look at the warping and displacement that Photoshop automatically applied when attempting it:

Alignment algorithms are intended to handle slight variations in the stack due to minor camera movements, not gross ones like this example.

Found i2k Align, but it worth thousand and there's no demo version available.

It's not a typical stacking tool - and I wouldn't pay the price - but you can request a demo:

mat536 Junior Member • Posts: 33
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there is the 79$ version for purchase, called - DualAlign's i2K Quickage™ Pro

https://www.dualalign.com/photographic/panorama-software-overview.php

fyi

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s_grins Forum Pro • Posts: 13,952
Re: Best auto alignment software for photo stacking.
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Invanovich22 wrote:

s_grins wrote:

Invanovich22 wrote:

Digital Nigel wrote:

Invanovich22 wrote:

Eh Photographer wrote:

Check out Helicon Focus...

Tried it cannot handle alignment.

Here are the images if someone wants to try.

I processed both raw images in PhotoLab using my standard preset, then used Affinity to stitch them. This is the result without cropping:

I think you used a panorama, however what i needed is focus stacking, in this case even Affinity does not provide satisfactory alignment.

So, you want a focus stacking software. But why do you need focus stacking software for landscapes?

Please, educate me.

Please see three images in beginning of this article.

Well, I've looked into this article.

For such a kind of "focus stacking" you do not need a special software, alignment, and the rest of photo science.

What you need is 2 shots taken one after another. One with focus on foreground, another with focus at background. Having these 2 shots you can create a combined photo of your landscape by using well known layers technic plus a little of touch up.

Normally, photographers use focus stacking for macro shots with razor thin DOF

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