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Minimum shutter speed to freeze the fish?

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stillviking Regular Member • Posts: 125
Minimum shutter speed to freeze the fish?

Hey guys,

I'm going to a trip and need the best settings possible because light is not huge there, so I'm going to do (freediving, no flash/oxigen):

- 1/500

- f11

- AUTO ISO

Do you guys think I could go to 1/400 or lower or by your experience 1/500 is the minimum to total freeze 100% of shoots?

Thanks!

Architeuthis Regular Member • Posts: 491
Re: Minimum shutter speed to freeze the fish?

stillviking wrote:

Hey guys,

I'm going to a trip and need the best settings possible because light is not huge there, so I'm going to do (freediving, no flash/oxigen):

- 1/500

I think one can redcue to 1/400 or 1/300. This is what I take when snorkeling with dolphins...

- f11

Aperture depends on your lens/port/sensor format configuration. Normally you go to the widest aperture possible and even a bit further. With Canon 8-15mm fisheye/ Nauticam 140 port and EM1II camera (MFT), I go to f /7.1, in blue water even f/5.6 is o.k.

- AUTO ISO

This totally depends on the camera and sensor format. With EM1II (MFT), I am reluctant to go beyond ISO 400 and go to higher ISO only when there is no other way. With  a larger sensor (FF), you do not need to be as sensitive...

Yours, Wolfgang

Do you guys think I could go to 1/400 or lower or by your experience 1/500 is the minimum to total freeze 100% of shoots?

Thanks!

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OP stillviking Regular Member • Posts: 125
Re: Minimum shutter speed to freeze the fish?

Thanks, reduce to 1/400 should help my ISO!

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Re: Minimum shutter speed to freeze the fish?

When I was shooting a compact camera (RX100), if I had it on Aperture priority it would drop shutter speed to 1/30th.  Obviously too low.

In frustration after my first use of it, I decided to go to shutter priority and find a speed that froze the fish while keeping ISO as low as possible.   I ended up at 1/160th, and I've used that or 1/125th ever since.  On my D850 I was at 1/160th for a long time, but recently have started dropping to 1/125th.   But there's a big difference to shooting slow shutter speeds at 16mm and 105mm.

Suggest you perform some experiments next time you dive.  Try the speeds between 1/125th and 1/500th on your typical fish.  See what you can get away with.

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kelpdiver Veteran Member • Posts: 5,564
Re: Minimum shutter speed to freeze the fish?

stillviking wrote:

Hey guys,

I'm going to a trip and need the best settings possible because light is not huge there, so I'm going to do (freediving, no flash/oxigen):

- 1/500

- f11

- AUTO ISO

Do you guys think I could go to 1/400 or lower or by your experience 1/500 is the minimum to total freeze 100% of shoots?

Thanks!

need to tell us the camera.   Jump settings are highly dependent on the system.

Moat of us cannot use a setting faster than 1/200th or 1/250th and still sync to the strobe unless we do some intricate (and not so reliable) setup.   1/200th is plenty.   I think most of the time 1/120th would also suffice.

F/11 is probably not a good idea for a compact.   If you're light challenged, you may have little choice but to open it pretty wide.   The ISO has to be kept reasonable - 400 or less, I'd think.   AutoISO may work against you, esp if the model doesn't let you set a max acceptable.

Can you manage with a SOLA light (or similar) on the camera?    Some light is better than none at all.

OP stillviking Regular Member • Posts: 125
Re: Minimum shutter speed to freeze the fish?

Canon R!

kelpdiver Veteran Member • Posts: 5,564
Re: Minimum shutter speed to freeze the fish?

then at least you have a lot of latitude with the ISO.   And if you're looking to freedive with a FF, I'm guessing your bottom time is pretty decent.   Are you able to come to a slow hold before you hit the shutter, or are you rushing them?   That could be the difference between 1/200th and 1/400th.     How wide is the focal range?

On scuba, I'd make my jump setting (starting point), f/8, 1/200th, 400 ISO.   If too dark in general, then try 640 and 800.   If I'm able to get to the fish without freaking them out, lower to 1/100th if I can, or to f 5.6.  The bigger the fish, or the closer I could get, the less likely I can get away with the wider aperture.   But with a fisheye, you can often do fine with very open lenses.

I prefer manual over Canon's auto for ISO, A or S, but lighting is more predictable on scuba and there's more time to meter.   Your lighting will be more variable as depth varies.  So maybe that means setting your min speed and max acceptable ISO and letting A drift.

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