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3D camera and stabilizer combo suggestion?

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Turbguy1
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Re: 3D camera and stabilizer combo suggestion?
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DynV wrote:

I need a 3D camera for video with a resolution of at least FHD from a somewhat reputable company (no brand that sound like someone mashed a keyboard) and am having trouble finding an affordable one; it also has to be able to be attached to an affordable stabilizer, even a homemade one is acceptable. I don't mind the type of camera as long as it has good 3D capturing and that I can export it in different formats (side-by-side, anaglyph, etc.) ; it can be compact, camcorder, DSLR, or something else.

Thank you kindly for your assistance

I had provided an exact, currently available, kit (camera and stabilizer) that met every one of your requirements.

I can understand the hesitancy to purchase anything online.

Other solutions exist, but they require long lead times and a large ($1000+) budget.

Two GoPro's REQUIRE a special interconnecting cable to synchronize the two cams. Two cams together WILL NOT be synchronized without that accessory. The result will vary between "somewhat acceptable" to "headache inducing". See:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6lMhvCJpMg

Those older GoPro cams are only available on the used market. Finding a complete kit, as shown on eBay, posted by others, is a necessity. Even then, you are getting used equipment, with no warranty. The GoPro kit will work, and then you need a stabilizer.

Given your time-critical needs, all I can say is good luck.

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DynV wrote:

Seemingly for my previous post, about update 1 you couldn't find anything (online), and for update 2 my assumptions were right.

I must admit, I am now totally lost with this conversation.

Can we start over, or something??

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DynV
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Turbguy1 wrote:

The result will vary between "somewhat acceptable" to "headache inducing".

I did not do know that, so went ahead and placed again an order for a QooCam EGO.

Turbguy1 wrote:

Two GoPro's REQUIRE a special interconnecting cable to synchronize the two cams.

I understood that but thanks for making sure (it's vital).

Turbguy1 wrote:

DynV wrote:

Seemingly for my previous post, about update 1 you couldn't find anything (online), and for update 2 my assumptions were right.

I must admit, I am now totally lost with this conversation.

I've only made 1 post with 2 updates, the 2nd one listing images which is also my only post including an image, but that post is now irrelevant.

DynV
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Turbguy1
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Be aware that you will need a thin spacer between the gimbal mounting plate and the EGO cam, as the tripod thread socket on the EGO is not deep enough to mount the EGO with the supplied mount screw.

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DynV
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Turbguy1 wrote:

Be aware that you will need a thin spacer between the gimbal mounting plate and the EGO cam, as the tripod thread socket on the EGO is not deep enough to mount the EGO with the supplied mount screw.

I'm trying to think of resistant materials I could easily get for cheap to do that (at the dollar store) and everything that comes to mind would be slippery. I assume I'd need something that has some adherence... I guess wrapping a balloon over it would do the trick. I'm tired ATM and I might think of something else later.

Brian F Flint
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In your description of using this 3d camera you say:

' My immediate need is to 3D capture an event, which what I suspect will be most important to me will be in the lobby beforehand (mingling, etc.) '

The EGO has an inter-lens spacing of 65mm. I would recommend that you try and keep a reasonable distance between your camera and other people and objects to get a good 3d effect. Somewhere around 2 or 3 metres or more. It may be useful to do some practice filming beforehand with this in mind.

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Turbguy1
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DynV wrote:

Turbguy1 wrote:

Be aware that you will need a thin spacer between the gimbal mounting plate and the EGO cam, as the tripod thread socket on the EGO is not deep enough to mount the EGO with the supplied mount screw.

I'm trying to think of resistant materials I could easily get for cheap to do that (at the dollar store) and everything that comes to mind would be slippery. I assume I'd need something that has some adherence... I guess wrapping a balloon over it would do the trick. I'm tired ATM and I might think of something else later.

I use a thin piece of metal (about 1/16" thick), but a thin piece of cardboard, or backing cardboard from a pad of paper will work, as well.  Thin elastic materials should also work.

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DynV
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I received the Feiyu Tech G6 Max. I never used the Gimbal before. When 1st starting it, it shook with a noticeable sound (of the shaking) and there was a message to unlock all motors; after what I though I completed it did it again; when they were all unlocked there was no more message but there was still shaking; I then locked the sliders in (motors still unlocked), still shaking; I then slid the plate I thought was optional in the box in the receptacle for it on the "top" motor then locked the plate (motors still unlocked); still shaking.

I'm thinking it might have something to do with the fact there's no camera attached to the "top" plate but I don't think it's a good thing to have a camera shaken. When you used it, did it behave similarly when no camera attached to it? If so, did it stop when attaching it (camera) ?

Thank you kindly

Update 1

I saw there was an "inside" lock (toward the center) on the "middle" motor so unlocked it. I was in the manual that one should have the Gimbal standing up when powering on so put the tripod and set it on a table; before that I used a "natural position" about half-way from letting my arm down to having my elbow at a right angle. I then realized I have a camera which proprietary battery died so haven't used it for > 5 years and put that on. I also found a camera I completely forgot about, I think it's 1 MP and use 4 AAs, that I haven't put on yet.

I still can't get the thing to work properly. When I change position it keeps up with it, the lens always toward the front, but it non-stop shakes.

Update 2

Some time went by since I tried to understand balancing from the manual and I decided to look for a video on the matter, and

Youtube preview of FeiyuTech G6Max Tutorial: How to Install and Balance the Gimbal

FeiyuTech G6Max Tutorial: How to Install and Balance the Gimbal

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FeiyuTech

seem right. I can't test at the moment because of my living arrangement, I should do so in a few hours.

Turbguy1
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Balance the gimbal with camera attached and gimbal powered off FIRST!!!

Balance is VERY important!  The EGO will balance with the camera as far forward as the slot in the mounting plate allows, then adjust the lever length to provide balance.

All three axes must be individually balanced via adjustments before power on.

If it still vibrates after balancing, perform an "Adaption" action in the menu structure.

Then I recommend perform an "Initialization" action in the menu structure.

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DynV
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I took time to reply as I wanted to make sure things went well multiple times before making a review.

The QooCam EGO makes great 3D through its visor; I have no other way to view 3D and am hoping it will look as good, or almost, when I (eventually) get another. The imaging is decent, not great, but the 3D itself is great; I have no need for great imaging, as I don't need to capture sharp logos or smaller lettering or detailed facial feature (ie makeup review), so am quite satisfied. The camera tends to overheat, and luckily it has an auto-shutdown for it but when it gets above 30°C / 86°F prepare to only have a 15-20 minutes session (and when it cooled down another until it overheat again or the battery run out). The audio is sub-par and could definitely be better placed on the camera; I'm having a hard time believing that the electronics are so packed in the front that a small hole couldn't be placed there. The default battery charge last for 45-50 mins of video and take ~90 mins to charge on a 2.1A wall charger or a computer with a decent power supply*. The camera definitively could have attachments for external audio and an external heat-sink; for the latter maybe on its sides or at the bottom through a socket made of a material great for heat transfer.

The camera didn't arrive in time, which the latest advertised should have been a few days before the event, but they did a partial refund. There was a couple weeks between that event, and the place closing down, and the camera wasn't incredibly late and I managed to get a 3D interview with the person that was honored in that event where it took place.

The FeiyuTech G6 Max works well, I see no discernible vibration and the panning & tilting seems limited when I fast-walk, which I often do when making a 3D video. At the beginning I had 2 problems: I didn't tighten the sliders enough and a motor wasn't adjusted, the top one. I couldn't manage to go into Adaption but I got into motor and "manually" adjusted it (decreased its power). Now I make sure the sliders are solidly in place and put my ears next to the motors to ensure they don't make vibration noise, of course in addition to it being balanced pretty well (I used to bother to make it like 98% balanced (which took a looong time) but one time I wasn't able to and it seemed to work as well so now I only bother to do like 90-95% balanced). I didn't check what was its battery gauge when I got it but after ~6 x ~45 mins sessions there was 1 bar left (that possibly could have lasted another session or 2 but I charged it back to full), so that's a long time.

As videos longer than ~10:20 are split, I use ffmpeg to put them together; with

ffmpeg.exe -f concat -i FILE_NAME.txt -c copy FILE_NAME.mp4

when I keep the audio level and

ffmpeg.exe -f concat -i FILE_NAME.txt -filter:a "volume=3" -c:v copy FILE_NAME-volume_3X.mp4

when I increase it; the text files content explained in Concatenate – FFmpeg.

There's examples of the videos I took on SBS 3D - YouTube.

Thank you again Turbguy1.

* The vast majority of the time I get to my filming locations without a vehicle so take breaks after my filming fast walks, and if I get there early enough I go to the library to charge it then do another session of filming by fast walks.

threed123
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After using the EGO for several weeks, I got out my trusty Sony 3D TD10, and wow, the stabilization, color, low light ability and really good 3D inside the house, jump-started my interest in the TD10 again. I gave up on it several years ago, as I just didn't like lugging it around, but it renewed my interest in using it again. It doesn't have the 3D separation of the EGO, but the video quality makes up for it.

DynV
OP DynV Junior Member • Posts: 38
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I wish the Gimbal had a tiny capacitor so when the battery runs out it beeped. I was lucky that it was in front of me when the power died so I saw it becoming wonky; a non-negligible portion of the time I point it at a right angle while looking ahead in which case I'd either not notice it, or barely so.

This is a minute wish as to start off I forgot to charge the Gimbal, which the majority of the time I wouldn't, then forgot to keep a close eye on it considering the circumstance.

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