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M6 Mark 2 vs R7

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RLight Senior Member • Posts: 4,417
Re: M6 Mark 2 vs R7

m100 wrote:

RLight wrote:

Jayson A wrote:

Larry Rexley wrote:

Jayson A wrote:

The M system cameras still have a place in Canon's lineup. I don't know why they'd want to replace these monster compact systems with swappable lenses, for big mirrorless cameras with crop sensors.

It's like if they decided the SL3 should be killed off because the 90D exists. It just doesn't make sense to kill off their ultra compact mirroless system.

That being said, I'd stay away from the M6 Mark II simply because it only has fully mechanical shutter or fully electronic shutter. This means that it suffers from shutter shock because the first curtain shutter shakes the image stabilizer inside the zoom lenses during shutter speeds between 1/4 to 1/160 or so. It's a bummer it doesn't utilize the Electronic First Curtain Shutter that the M50 and all other M-cameras have. For what it's worth, I heard the 22mm and 32mm prime lenses aren't affected because they don't have image stabilization. So if you're only shooting with primes, you're probably safe.

My M50 doesn't have any issues shooting at slow shutter speeds with image stabilized lenses. I get sharp photos every time.

Both of my M6 Mark II cameras don't have any issues shooting at slow shutter speeds with image stabilized lenses using the mechanical shutter. I get sharp photos every time.

Weird. I've seen multiple threads and even some reviewers pointing out soft photo quality when shooting with low shutter speeds even on tripods with a remote activation, but if that same person shoots with the electronic shutter, it's pin sharp.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4465549

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4448177

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4523239

https://www.canonnews.com/canon-eos-m6-mark-ii-analysis-of-shutter-shock

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1648850/0

There's plenty of information in these links along with photos showing how bad it is. I would stay away from the M6 Mark II until they either add EFCS via firmware (unlikely) or until they come out with a Mark III with EFCS (unlikely). If you only shoot with un-stabilized primes, you're fine though.

Shutter shock is there on IS equipped lenses, but, AF errors are more prevalent. You need to guard from both for peak sharpness. Or to your point, just shoot something that has EFCS like the M50 II, but, you suffer more AF errors on it, in my experience. You trade 2 problems for just 1 bigger problem (AF errors).

Try using just one of these for a month.

It will help you with your auto focus problems a lot !

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1600708-REG/7artisans_photoelectric_a003b_s_35mm_f_0_95_lens_for.html/specs

Don’t tempt me… f/0.95, MF? That sounds easy…

Kidding aside, sounds interesting.

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m100
m100 Senior Member • Posts: 2,048
Re: M6 Mark 2 vs R7

RLight wrote:

m100 wrote:

RLight wrote:

Jayson A wrote:

Larry Rexley wrote:

Jayson A wrote:

The M system cameras still have a place in Canon's lineup. I don't know why they'd want to replace these monster compact systems with swappable lenses, for big mirrorless cameras with crop sensors.

It's like if they decided the SL3 should be killed off because the 90D exists. It just doesn't make sense to kill off their ultra compact mirroless system.

That being said, I'd stay away from the M6 Mark II simply because it only has fully mechanical shutter or fully electronic shutter. This means that it suffers from shutter shock because the first curtain shutter shakes the image stabilizer inside the zoom lenses during shutter speeds between 1/4 to 1/160 or so. It's a bummer it doesn't utilize the Electronic First Curtain Shutter that the M50 and all other M-cameras have. For what it's worth, I heard the 22mm and 32mm prime lenses aren't affected because they don't have image stabilization. So if you're only shooting with primes, you're probably safe.

My M50 doesn't have any issues shooting at slow shutter speeds with image stabilized lenses. I get sharp photos every time.

Both of my M6 Mark II cameras don't have any issues shooting at slow shutter speeds with image stabilized lenses using the mechanical shutter. I get sharp photos every time.

Weird. I've seen multiple threads and even some reviewers pointing out soft photo quality when shooting with low shutter speeds even on tripods with a remote activation, but if that same person shoots with the electronic shutter, it's pin sharp.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4465549

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4448177

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4523239

https://www.canonnews.com/canon-eos-m6-mark-ii-analysis-of-shutter-shock

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1648850/0

There's plenty of information in these links along with photos showing how bad it is. I would stay away from the M6 Mark II until they either add EFCS via firmware (unlikely) or until they come out with a Mark III with EFCS (unlikely). If you only shoot with un-stabilized primes, you're fine though.

Shutter shock is there on IS equipped lenses, but, AF errors are more prevalent. You need to guard from both for peak sharpness. Or to your point, just shoot something that has EFCS like the M50 II, but, you suffer more AF errors on it, in my experience. You trade 2 problems for just 1 bigger problem (AF errors).

Try using just one of these for a month.

It will help you with your auto focus problems a lot !

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1600708-REG/7artisans_photoelectric_a003b_s_35mm_f_0_95_lens_for.html/specs

Don’t tempt me… f/0.95, MF? That sounds easy…

Kidding aside, sounds interesting.

The movement of the controls is such that my right middle finger can reach both dials.

After a while I was able to quickly turn the controls to very near settings without looking at them. The dials do not go round and round.

And I figured out focus peaking. Focus peaking performance can be changed by adjusting the picture style. Not ideal.

So with the right middle finger turn the focus ring and use focus peaking to get close then magnify to get the focus all the way !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-zs6qbOW6I

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m100
m100 Senior Member • Posts: 2,048
Re: M6 Mark 2 vs R7

CamerEyes wrote:

Taking my chance to shoot out this question. Rejoining the forum after almost a decade of being away from photography websites.

Now on the hunt for cropped body, coming from an 80D. I know the R7 has all the bells and whistles of the new Canon tech and hardware. Does not mean it's worth that much money compared to the really cute and capable M6 Mark 2 which I tried in the store over the weekend and found impressive for its size. Mostly I do take photos on foot, while doing a bit of hiking and occasionally from hillside locations, with a small tripod in a small backpack.

Or maybe I should invest in new tech like the R7 so I don't have to change it for the next 3-5 years?

I am glad I waited and checked out the R forum. Way too many R7 cameras lock up.

I would give a camera 2 lockups and it would be back to Canon !

If everyone did that Canon would maybe be more careful about selling cameras that lock up.

My M6II has never locked up.

Either there are a lot of faulty R7 cameras out there or Canon is selling buggy firmware.

And of course people are wondering what they did wrong.

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R2D2 Forum Pro • Posts: 26,528
Re: M6 Mark 2 vs R7

m100 wrote:

CamerEyes wrote:

Taking my chance to shoot out this question. Rejoining the forum after almost a decade of being away from photography websites.

Now on the hunt for cropped body, coming from an 80D. I know the R7 has all the bells and whistles of the new Canon tech and hardware. Does not mean it's worth that much money compared to the really cute and capable M6 Mark 2 which I tried in the store over the weekend and found impressive for its size. Mostly I do take photos on foot, while doing a bit of hiking and occasionally from hillside locations, with a small tripod in a small backpack.

Or maybe I should invest in new tech like the R7 so I don't have to change it for the next 3-5 years?

I am glad I waited and checked out the R forum. Way too many R7 cameras lock up.

I would give a camera 2 lockups and it would be back to Canon !

If everyone did that Canon would maybe be more careful about selling cameras that lock up.

My M6II has never locked up.

Either there are a lot of faulty R7 cameras out there or Canon is selling buggy firmware.

And of course people are wondering what they did wrong.

Yup, my R7 locked up (tight) on me once.  I expect Canon to release a firmware fix sometime soon.

Maybe they'll toss in a new feature for us, as supplication? 

R2

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m100
m100 Senior Member • Posts: 2,048
Re: M6 Mark 2 vs R7

R2D2 wrote:

m100 wrote:

CamerEyes wrote:

Taking my chance to shoot out this question. Rejoining the forum after almost a decade of being away from photography websites.

Now on the hunt for cropped body, coming from an 80D. I know the R7 has all the bells and whistles of the new Canon tech and hardware. Does not mean it's worth that much money compared to the really cute and capable M6 Mark 2 which I tried in the store over the weekend and found impressive for its size. Mostly I do take photos on foot, while doing a bit of hiking and occasionally from hillside locations, with a small tripod in a small backpack.

Or maybe I should invest in new tech like the R7 so I don't have to change it for the next 3-5 years?

I am glad I waited and checked out the R forum. Way too many R7 cameras lock up.

I would give a camera 2 lockups and it would be back to Canon !

If everyone did that Canon would maybe be more careful about selling cameras that lock up.

My M6II has never locked up.

Either there are a lot of faulty R7 cameras out there or Canon is selling buggy firmware.

And of course people are wondering what they did wrong.

Yup, my R7 locked up (tight) on me once. I expect Canon to release a firmware fix sometime soon.

Maybe they'll toss in a new feature for us, as supplication?

R2

Firmware programs have become so large and complex they have become difficult to troubleshoot ?

I will be shooting the M6II for awhile.

Hurricane pictures coming.

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R2D2 Forum Pro • Posts: 26,528
Re: M6 Mark 2 vs R7

m100 wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

m100 wrote:

CamerEyes wrote:

Taking my chance to shoot out this question. Rejoining the forum after almost a decade of being away from photography websites.

Now on the hunt for cropped body, coming from an 80D. I know the R7 has all the bells and whistles of the new Canon tech and hardware. Does not mean it's worth that much money compared to the really cute and capable M6 Mark 2 which I tried in the store over the weekend and found impressive for its size. Mostly I do take photos on foot, while doing a bit of hiking and occasionally from hillside locations, with a small tripod in a small backpack.

Or maybe I should invest in new tech like the R7 so I don't have to change it for the next 3-5 years?

I am glad I waited and checked out the R forum. Way too many R7 cameras lock up.

I would give a camera 2 lockups and it would be back to Canon !

If everyone did that Canon would maybe be more careful about selling cameras that lock up.

My M6II has never locked up.

Either there are a lot of faulty R7 cameras out there or Canon is selling buggy firmware.

And of course people are wondering what they did wrong.

Yup, my R7 locked up (tight) on me once. I expect Canon to release a firmware fix sometime soon.

Maybe they'll toss in a new feature for us, as supplication?

R2

Firmware programs have become so large and complex they have become difficult to troubleshoot ?

I will be shooting the M6II for awhile.

Hurricane pictures coming.

UhOh, I hope you're not in harm's way.  Stay safe!

R2

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m100 Senior Member • Posts: 2,048
Re: M6 Mark 2 vs R7

R2D2 wrote:

m100 wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

m100 wrote:

CamerEyes wrote:

Taking my chance to shoot out this question. Rejoining the forum after almost a decade of being away from photography websites.

Now on the hunt for cropped body, coming from an 80D. I know the R7 has all the bells and whistles of the new Canon tech and hardware. Does not mean it's worth that much money compared to the really cute and capable M6 Mark 2 which I tried in the store over the weekend and found impressive for its size. Mostly I do take photos on foot, while doing a bit of hiking and occasionally from hillside locations, with a small tripod in a small backpack.

Or maybe I should invest in new tech like the R7 so I don't have to change it for the next 3-5 years?

I am glad I waited and checked out the R forum. Way too many R7 cameras lock up.

I would give a camera 2 lockups and it would be back to Canon !

If everyone did that Canon would maybe be more careful about selling cameras that lock up.

My M6II has never locked up.

Either there are a lot of faulty R7 cameras out there or Canon is selling buggy firmware.

And of course people are wondering what they did wrong.

Yup, my R7 locked up (tight) on me once. I expect Canon to release a firmware fix sometime soon.

Maybe they'll toss in a new feature for us, as supplication?

R2

Firmware programs have become so large and complex they have become difficult to troubleshoot ?

I will be shooting the M6II for awhile.

Hurricane pictures coming.

UhOh, I hope you're not in harm's way. Stay safe!

R2

Thank you.

I get to drive on I-4. I sometimes think Capitol Peak knife edge is a safer place.

I am thinking the M6II with my 11-22mm ?

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YehudaKatz Senior Member • Posts: 2,512
For the R system (camera and lenses) you need a VERY DEEP pocket.

CamerEyes wrote:

Taking my chance to shoot out this question. Rejoining the forum after almost a decade of being away from photography websites.

Now on the hunt for cropped body, coming from an 80D. I know the R7 has all the bells and whistles of the new Canon tech and hardware. Does not mean it's worth that much money compared to the really cute and capable M6 Mark 2 which I tried in the store over the weekend and found impressive for its size. Mostly I do take photos on foot, while doing a bit of hiking and occasionally from hillside locations, with a small tripod in a small backpack.

Or maybe I should invest in new tech like the R7 so I don't have to change it for the next 3-5 years?

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