Panasonic GX10

Gnine wrote:

tashiacis wrote:

Yes Panasonic has been part of my digital camera acquisitions

Lumix DMC-LC1 still have it sorta works fantastic lens

GF1 gone destroyed by a train

GX7 still have

ps I even have a leica z2x made by Panasonic(??) works fine still has a roll of film in it and used occasionally I did a whole series in Kashgar when the markets were jewel in the crown in 99

I bought an LX7 for a carry around/pocket camera way back when I was shooting Canon DSLR. And loved it. Still got it. They really knew how to make a nice camera. Great menus, controls, image stabilizer, built in ND filter, the lot. Which sparked my interest in m4/3. The GX8 popped up out of the blue, gave it a try out of curiosity mostly -and the decent range of small primes (which was really sadly lacking in APS-C) became my favourite camera regardless of format, and it just grew from there. They've done some strange things from time to time -like downgrading the GX9 from the 8, leaving a hot shoe off the LX10, & the 1/50 sync speed on the G100 for example, but produced some brilliant stuff as well. I reckon they've really captured the essence of m4/3 with their tiny little -yet excellent lenses such as the Lumix 14, PL 15, Lumix 12-32, 20mm pancake, PL 25, Lumix 42.5, & now the PL 9mm. Tiny, light, very reasonably priced, but still very capable.

The true essence of m43rds was captured by them in the GM1 and GM5 bodies, but that line is dead.

Raist3d wrote:

Gnine wrote:

tashiacis wrote:

Yes Panasonic has been part of my digital camera acquisitions

Lumix DMC-LC1 still have it sorta works fantastic lens

GF1 gone destroyed by a train

GX7 still have

ps I even have a leica z2x made by Panasonic(??) works fine still has a roll of film in it and used occasionally I did a whole series in Kashgar when the markets were jewel in the crown in 99

I bought an LX7 for a carry around/pocket camera way back when I was shooting Canon DSLR. And loved it. Still got it. They really knew how to make a nice camera. Great menus, controls, image stabilizer, built in ND filter, the lot. Which sparked my interest in m4/3. The GX8 popped up out of the blue, gave it a try out of curiosity mostly -and the decent range of small primes (which was really sadly lacking in APS-C) became my favourite camera regardless of format, and it just grew from there. They've done some strange things from time to time -like downgrading the GX9 from the 8, leaving a hot shoe off the LX10, & the 1/50 sync speed on the G100 for example, but produced some brilliant stuff as well. I reckon they've really captured the essence of m4/3 with their tiny little -yet excellent lenses such as the Lumix 14, PL 15, Lumix 12-32, 20mm pancake, PL 25, Lumix 42.5, & now the PL 9mm. Tiny, light, very reasonably priced, but still very capable.

The true essence of m43rds was captured by them in the GM1 and GM5 bodies, but that line is dead.

No. No it isn't. If it were, they would still be alive and kicking, like all those lenses I mentioned.

The gmail niche is partially filled by Ricoh and it’s Two pronged GR line which is very similar to what I use to shoot lens wise.

Problem to me is that there is no viewfinder and it is way too small for my gnarled fingers and hands the same was with the gm’s size wise.

the Fuji XE and X100 series had a fixed LCD until recently and a sensor that just doesn’t gel with my post processing.
Another factor is the deep DOF that’s why I really enjoyed the two thirds sensor cameras.

The gx7  works for me and still pays for itself over and over again.

Gnine wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

Gnine wrote:

tashiacis wrote:

Yes Panasonic has been part of my digital camera acquisitions

Lumix DMC-LC1 still have it sorta works fantastic lens

GF1 gone destroyed by a train

GX7 still have

ps I even have a leica z2x made by Panasonic(??) works fine still has a roll of film in it and used occasionally I did a whole series in Kashgar when the markets were jewel in the crown in 99

I bought an LX7 for a carry around/pocket camera way back when I was shooting Canon DSLR. And loved it. Still got it. They really knew how to make a nice camera. Great menus, controls, image stabilizer, built in ND filter, the lot. Which sparked my interest in m4/3. The GX8 popped up out of the blue, gave it a try out of curiosity mostly -and the decent range of small primes (which was really sadly lacking in APS-C) became my favourite camera regardless of format, and it just grew from there. They've done some strange things from time to time -like downgrading the GX9 from the 8, leaving a hot shoe off the LX10, & the 1/50 sync speed on the G100 for example, but produced some brilliant stuff as well. I reckon they've really captured the essence of m4/3 with their tiny little -yet excellent lenses such as the Lumix 14, PL 15, Lumix 12-32, 20mm pancake, PL 25, Lumix 42.5, & now the PL 9mm. Tiny, light, very reasonably priced, but still very capable.

The true essence of m43rds was captured by them in the GM1 and GM5 bodies, but that line is dead.

No. No it isn't. If it were, they would still be alive and kicking, like all those lenses I mentioned.

We sure need to see if the gx10 is alive

It’s nice to see a monochrome film based image reposted on a digital forum

The camera arrived today, unboxed and scrawled GXX on it

all good happy as a cat in a birdbath

tashiacis wrote:

The camera arrived today, unboxed and scrawled GXX on it

all good happy as a cat in a birdbath

Glad you got a replacement GX7 that meets your desires.

Many people loved the GX7 styling and ergonomics and were disappointed that Panasonic changed them for the GX7 II and GX7 III. Too bad they didn't keep the styling and ergonomics and just add the new, good stuff in the later models. All the companies seem to do this sort of frustrating thing though. They giveth with one hand and taketh with the other. Olympus did the same thing when they replaced the E-M10 II, which was so good in many ways, with the worse in many ways E-M10 III. The E-M10 III had a few small improvements, but then they removed some of the great things that were in the E-M10 II. The E-M10 IV then slightly restored a few things that the E-M10 II had, but still left out some important stuff that I use all the time. The E-M10 IV improved in other ways though (20mp sensor, etc.). Hard to believe these companies don't do this stuff intentionally. They can't be as brain dead as they seem sometimes.

Enjoy your GX7.

thanks

Thanks to the Japanese who keep the odd new camera up for sale. I buy most of my gear from Japan either directly or via my nephew who has been living there for about 10 years.

The 16 mp doesn’t worry me as I am still selling old film images from a couple of decades ago. Ergonomics that suit my needs along with the enjoyment of using are a priority over new bells and whistles, lots of times I use the plastic Leica Z2X over the Contax T3 as it is just comfortable and easy to use.

As for changes new people new ideas one needs to keep accountants busy.

brentbrent wrote:

Gnine wrote:

GutiWong wrote:

I also believe that Panasonic may give up smaller m43 camera market. There maybe not GX10 eventually.

Yeah, there's no definites either way. [bold added] I still think they'll persist with at least one smaller body style with an EVF, it may not be an exact replacement/continuation of the GX line, maybe a hybrid between the G100 & GX? Even in the advertising material for the newPL 9mm, they show it attached to the G100, so I don't really see that as a one off. More a learning/research experience.

Looking at the competing links that were posted, I read the March 2020 interview as saying that a replacement for the fixed lens LX100 was very unlikely, and that they were "studying" the issue of smaller cameras in general. I don't see it as a saying a firm decision had been made not to produce any more smaller bodies.

And of course, they DID release the G100 later that year, and the subsequent 2022 article does say they plan "to develop the Micro Four Thirds lineup in full-scale." That falls short of a promise of a GX successor.

While it's not definitive either way, my guess is that there's still a reasonably good chance of a new GX-sized body coming out. Raist seems fixated on being the oracle with inside information from an unnamed "contact," and that's not enough to convince me otherwise.

I am not fixated on that nor do I want to convince anyone-. I welcome skepticism- it's up to you to read my posting history since the days of 4/3rds and judge if I have the cred or not to make that statement truthful or not.

I am only passing what I heard, nothing more. That said, I posted links where the company said something publicly, I also mentioned how Panasonic re-assured 4/3rds owners that they were not leaving the system until they did.

We can all read what's going on in the market, their statements and as I said, if by end of next year a GX10 doesn't materialize, It think it's time to consider it's as real as a GM9.

Please take note that in all of this I focus on the arguments, rather than any attempts at any personal attacks. If I was so fixated, and had "an agenda" or something like that, why would I praise the GM5 so much, why I have and have talked well on the GX9 and absolutely wish for Panasonic to do a successor for both. The typical extremist advocates without nuance nor qualification.

Anyway, just wanted to clarify my so called by you "fixation."

OP has apparently already bought a replacement GX7. Not a bad choice since he's been happy with it for many years. I still shoot with mine and haven't seen any need to replace it with the GX85 or GX9, since I have bigger, newer, more feature-rich bodies. But if I did want to replace it, I'd get a GX9, pretty clearly a better camera in my opinion, particularly in terms of shutter, sensor, and IBIS.

My only "two beefs with the GX9 was that the rear wheel became stutter and jumpy within 6 months and that in lower light it's not as spot on accurate in AF- something Ming Thein pointed out to me a while back in a forum at his website exchange.

I wish Panasonic made more reliable wheels, the GX850 suffering the same fate. Other than that I found the GX9 raws are as rich as those form the PenF. Would have been great to see one with better IBIS, tripod high res, and at least the DFD of the G9.

uniball wrote:

brentbrent wrote:

. But if I did want to replace it, I'd get a GX9, pretty clearly a better camera in my opinion, particularly in terms of shutter, sensor, and IBIS.

The 4 advertised stops for IBIS are coupled with the 12-60 kit zoom. Shoot primes and it’s the same 2 stops you have with your GX7. While I never had a 7, I can’t tell any difference between my now departed GX85 IBIS and my GX9 when shooting non-stabilized lenses. While 2 stops is certainly useful, it’s nothing like what OM did with my E-P7, a good bit smaller body.

I agree with you. I found the GX9 about 4 stops with dual ibis, and about 2 stops also body only. The EP7 certainly does better with all lenses, and so does the PenF.

I'm also not convinced. Offering “compact” FF bodies with slow, yet still huge, lenses isn’t going to attract back smartphone users. The industry continues to shoot itself in the foot and I count on that far more than it developing compelling products. It’s an inbred group of companies, resistant to change.

I will give Panasonic that it's tough to continue something like the GM line when the GM5 didn't sell well. But I would also like to think that marketed better, and done now where ASPC and FF mirrorless cameras are here at smaller sizes, would help them make more stand out products.

They sure got covered a great niche for video- so I can understand updating /pursuing more. models for that market.  What will they do for the rest.

Pete_W wrote:

uniball wrote:

brentbrent wrote:

. But if I did want to replace it, I'd get a GX9, pretty clearly a better camera in my opinion, particularly in terms of shutter, sensor, and IBIS.

While I never had a 7, I can’t tell any difference between my now departed GX85 IBIS and my GX9 when shooting non-stabilized lenses.

There is definitely some benefit in the 20MP sensor of the GX9 compared with the 16MP sensor in the GX85 and GX7.

I definitively concur.  The GX9 seems to have this nice extra DR/tone.  Just like PenF.

If Panasonic wanted to they could be the Leica version of mft  one true digital rangefinder would create a cult style of followers  but there is probably no money to be made.

Impulses wrote:

Gnine wrote:

tashiacis wrote:

Yes Panasonic has been part of my digital camera acquisitions

Lumix DMC-LC1 still have it sorta works fantastic lens

GF1 gone destroyed by a train

GX7 still have

ps I even have a leica z2x made by Panasonic(??) works fine still has a roll of film in it and used occasionally I did a whole series in Kashgar when the markets were jewel in the crown in 99

I bought an LX7 for a carry around/pocket camera way back when I was shooting Canon DSLR. And loved it. Still got it. They really knew how to make a nice camera. Great menus, controls, image stabilizer, built in ND filter, the lot. Which sparked my interest in m4/3. The GX8 popped up out of the blue, gave it a try out of curiosity mostly -and the decent range of small primes (which was really sadly lacking in APS-C) became my favourite camera regardless of format, and it just grew from there. They've done some strange things from time to time -like downgrading the GX9 from the 8, leaving a hot shoe off the LX10, & the 1/50 sync speed on the G100 for example, but produced some brilliant stuff as well. I reckon they've really captured the essence of m4/3 with their tiny little -yet excellent lenses such as the Lumix 14, PL 15, Lumix 12-32, 20mm pancake, PL 25, Lumix 42.5, & now the PL 9mm. Tiny, light, very reasonably priced, but still very capable.

GX8 -> GX9 wasn't really a downgrade, just bad marketing... They could've just called it the GX95 (it's the GX7 III in Japan after all), which is what it is, but I think they kinda wanted to signal that the GX8 was a one-off without coming out and saying it. I think it was a premature release either way, they might've been better off coming out with a GX9 with a better EVF and the faster reading sensor in 2019/2020 and that would've kept the line afloat thru a few more years, now it's looking as if it's getting ignored kinda like when Oly took too long in between the E-M5 II & III.

There's never really been any consistency to the GX line tho, or to any of Pana's model lines really outside of the G/GH (and even those have grown or shed what once seemed like core features like the multi-AR sensor). They're always experimenting and the GX line seems like the height of that... I doubt they're gonna stop playing with the size, form factor, and price point of any of their model lines now. They do have more of a knack for compact lenses than most IMO, it's nice to see that still lives on despite their perennial lack of a lens roadmap.

Yeah, I suppose I could be being a touch harsh on the GX9, but after looking through the 8's EVF, & then the 9, it certainly feels that way. The other thing that would really annoy me, and I do think it's a cost cutting measure, is the quality of the dials. I don't believe I can recall a GX8 having any issues, but there seems to be a few complaints about the 9. Personally, I would much much rather pay a bit more for a more reliable model, than getting frustrated a year or two down the track with misbehaving controls. As I tend to fall in love with my cameras, and keep them long term. But that's just me.

Yes know new lenses would be needed, all they need to do is to make one prototype just to get more interest in their cameras. There would be lots of chatter

Some years back I borrowed a epson RD1 from a friend and enjoyed it. I used it in the markets of Kazakhstan  with a 28 mm (42mm) Voigtlander lens ended up with some fantastic photos.