Panasonic GX10

Yes it seems like a life and death struggle for some here’ geez it is about cameras not your liver and lungs.

I figured just to ask what is going on and just get a feel of what others think and if some have moved on from small cameras or from mft.

I looked at people’s gear lists etc and a few others forums and found that the gx line does not get much airplay but that’s ok I never saw it as a huge seller. The general feel seems like we hope,  but not confident. If they do make a 10 then it will be one for a wide audience thus articulated screen, weather sealing etc so it will be more like the gx 8 in size. Not my needs but it will be good to see that style of camera continue

Well I bought a brand new old camera and if it lasts like my present one I am set for a few years. If something comes along that takes my fancy then I will probably buy it may be a Leica or a Panasonic but it won’t be a OM, a Canon, Sony, Fuji or a smartphone.

all is fine

GutiWong wrote:

I also believe that Panasonic may give up smaller m43 camera market. There maybe not GX10 eventually.

All I suggest to anyone that buy a GX9, GX85 or GX8 if you see a good deal.
Their price in used market is a true bargain (at least in my country). Recently I bought a very good condition GX85 (SC under 6000) under US$120.

Yeah, there's no definites either way. I still think they'll persist with at least one smaller body style with an EVF, it may not be an exact replacement/continuation of the GX line, maybe a hybrid between the G100 & GX? Even in the advertising material for the newPL 9mm, they show it attached to the G100, so I don't really see that as a one off. More a learning/research experience. It's very very close to being a great little hybrid IMHO.  I personally don't care that greatly about the IBIS, the very slow mechanical shutter and resulting sync speed is more of a downer for me, but I think a very slightly massaged upgrade version would easily make my camera bag. Or pocket.

Henry Richardson wrote:

I see that people are once again wondering about the future. I explained all of this in 2019:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63336146

It is a source of amusement for me and others who live in Japan watching as people try to figure out and predict what will happen in the Japanese camera industry.

Yes, I know what everyone is thinking. What about the junior high school girls? What camera secrets are they in on? APS-C? 1"? Well, it is easy to understand why you might think that, but, hey, this is Japan, so, you are wrong. The junior high school girls are the ones to get the best, hot insider news about what is going on in the heavy road construction equipment industry. Bet, you didn't see that one coming, did you? Among foreigners here in Japan we have a saying that I first heard many years ago:

The only people who think they are experts on Japan are ones who have been here less than 30 days or more than 30 years.

I am not as surprised daily as I was years ago about Japan, but the junior high school girls thing did catch me off guard. Check your assumptions at the door!

High school boys in Japan have great insider info too! It is well known that if you want to know what future plans are in the konbini (convenience store) industry then check with high school boys. There is cutthroat competition between Lawson's, Family Mart, 7-11, and Sunkus. Years ago (say 20-30 years ago) Lawson's had the edge, but these days it seems that Lawson's and Family Mart are about equal. Constantly changing promotions and campaigns. Find out before others by checking with high school boys. The good thing is that high school boys generally hand out info easily, sometimes without even asking. So different than the girls.

Minolta X-700 + Vivitar 35-105mm f3.2-4 on Kodachrome 64

Minolta X-700 + Vivitar 35-105mm f3.2-4 on Kodachrome 64

Yes you may be right about the 9mm lens it did cross my mind that a new smaller camera was on its way especially seeing it isn’t video centric. Vlogging  maybe and that’s where small has advantages especially waving a walking stick like don quixote

DrHook59 wrote:

Like Gnine, I still hope for the G9 photographic specs in the body of a GX8, since I love the tilting EVF and a FAS screen, but I do realise others do not.

If they throw out a G100ii (more realistic) then I hope they make it with a mechanical shutter rather than a fully electronic one.

I've thought about this, a bit, and wouldn't mind an electronic shutter, as long as it was flash capable, with a decent sync speed, and very minimal rolling shutter. Something like the Z9. That would be fabulous I think.

Of course, if they manage to squeeze the innards of an S5 into a GX8 body (à la Sony 7C), then I might just pee in my pants. I imagine such a body with the kit 20-60mm lens would make for a great EDC camera.

I've thought about that too. But I'd like a nice small set of primes to go with it, from 16 or 17mm, right up to about 100mm. f/2 would be fine, to keep the size and weight down, but still have some advantage over my 1.4 & 1.7 m4/3 kit. But I think we're talking pipe dreams there. And, if we saw that come to fruition, then I'd say that would more than likely be the end of m4/3 from Panasonic, for stills. Not sure if there would be enough demand to be viable, just on video capabilities and sales alone.

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• the innards of an S5 into a GX8 body

There may be some opposition from Leica in regards to the agreement they have with Panasonic,…  A poor persons Q2

tashiacis wrote:

• the innards of an S5 into a GX8 body

There may be some opposition from Leica in regards to the agreement they have with Panasonic,… A poor persons Q2

That's the marvelous thing about Panasonic. You have zero clue as to what's around the corner, or what random model may suddenly appear like a bolt from the blue. Yeah, I know, it causes the strict, staid & orderly types to completely lose their sh!t when the unexpected just pops up, doubly so if Panasonic applies their sometimes seemingly random naming conventions, but I think it's brilliant. Despite all the palpitations it must cause. Both my m4/3 cameras were acquired in that exact fashion. The flagship GX8, with the first 20MP m4/3 sensor and IBIS, & the completely unexpected G9. Both fabulous cameras. The G100 was also quite a surprise, that's one that hasn't found its way into my possession though Long live Panasonic & their quirky randomness I say

Yes Panasonic has been part of my digital camera acquisitions

Lumix DMC-LC1 still have it sorta works fantastic lens

GF1 gone destroyed by a train

GX7 still have

ps I even have a leica z2x made by Panasonic(??) works fine still has a roll of film in it and used occasionally I did a whole series in Kashgar when the markets were jewel in the crown in 99

it surprises me this Panasonic connection never really thought about it.

tashiacis wrote:

Yes Panasonic has been part of my digital camera acquisitions

Lumix DMC-LC1 still have it sorta works fantastic lens

GF1 gone destroyed by a train

GX7 still have

ps I even have a leica z2x made by Panasonic(??) works fine still has a roll of film in it and used occasionally I did a whole series in Kashgar when the markets were jewel in the crown in 99

I bought an LX7 for a carry around/pocket camera way back when I was shooting Canon DSLR. And loved it. Still got it. They really knew how to make a nice camera. Great menus, controls, image stabilizer, built in ND filter, the lot. Which sparked my interest in m4/3. The GX8 popped up out of the blue, gave it a try out of curiosity mostly -and the decent range of small primes (which was really sadly lacking in APS-C) became my favourite camera regardless of format, and it just grew from there. They've done some strange things from time to time -like downgrading the GX9 from the 8, leaving a hot shoe off the LX10, & the 1/50 sync speed on the G100 for example, but produced some brilliant stuff as well. I reckon they've really captured the essence of m4/3 with their tiny little -yet excellent lenses such as the Lumix 14, PL 15, Lumix 12-32, 20mm pancake, PL 25, Lumix 42.5, & now the PL 9mm. Tiny, light, very reasonably priced, but still very capable.

I'd love to see an update but what I’d want is basically a different camera in the same form.

• I also shoot Fuji. As a prime shooter, IBIS is the only reason to shoot P instead of F. It needs to be at least 4 stops, IBIS only, not combined with an OIS zoom.
• The floppy tilt evf (mine is taped down) needs to go.
• The evf needs a major upgrade, larger, more dpi, better optics. A hump ala Leica CL is fine if that’s what it takes. No room for flash, fine?
• The ev dial is nice. Perhaps make it functional instead of a skin remover.
• The rest is ok. Toss in the electronics already in use with some of the more modern bodies.

My main issue is it seems designed to be a low to modest priced body. That consumer is using his/her/etc smartphone, with effective IBIS they can afford to price it closer to a Fuji X-Pro.

brentbrent wrote:

. But if I did want to replace it, I'd get a GX9, pretty clearly a better camera in my opinion, particularly in terms of shutter, sensor, and IBIS.

The 4 advertised stops for IBIS are coupled with the 12-60 kit zoom. Shoot primes and it’s the same 2 stops you have with your GX7. While I never had a 7, I can’t tell any difference between my now departed GX85 IBIS and my GX9 when shooting non-stabilized lenses. While 2 stops is certainly useful, it’s nothing like what OM did with my E-P7, a good bit smaller body.

I'm also not convinced. Offering “compact” FF bodies with slow, yet still huge, lenses isn’t going to attract back smartphone users. The industry continues to shoot itself in the foot and I count on that far more than it developing compelling products. It’s an inbred group of companies, resistant to change.

tashiacis wrote:

Raist3d you sure know how to rubbish a thread what a beggar of person

I often don't agree with Raist3d but there is no need to be so rude