Panasonic GX10

Gnine wrote:

tashiacis wrote:

Gnine did you get the Panasonic 9mm yet?

Still waiting here in Australia. They're talking mid July, so not too far away now. Hopefully. I'd managed to shuffle thoughts of the 9mm off into a dark, unused corner of my mind and semi forgotten about it, until the UK members started posting photos. Thanks for nothing 🤣🤣

Ok I am looking forward to how you use the lens as you are one of the few here that is capable and innovative when it comes to shooting wide other than tired the usual old landscapes

Henry Richardson wrote:

The scuttlebutt I am hearing on the trains here in Japan is that Panasonic has a plan, a Big Plan. Actually they have 2 plans and there is a war going on inside about which way to go. GX10, G10, GM5 II are all on the table. The Japanese high school girls, who always have the best m4/3 insider info, are convinced that it almost doesn't matter which side wins though because both are humdinger plans:

You can make fun of that all you want but doesn't discard that some people do have real contacts kept anonymous to protect them

1. Raise prices dramatically across the board to 5 times the current prices, although for selected products they may even go 10 times the current price. With these higher prices profit per unit will go through the roof. Panasonic will also attract the champagne, caviar, limousine, private jet set who don't have enough status symbols and are pretty tired of carrying around a Leica that they hardly even know how to use.
2. Lower prices dramatically across the board to 1/5 the current prices, although for selected products they may even go 1/10 the current price. Profit per unit will fall into the abyss, but they they believe their sales volume will skyrocket. Sure, Panasonic will lose money on every sale, but they expect to make it up in volume.

Now to get this back to be focused on us, the users, it is clear what we should all do: Either buy now before prices skyrocket or hold off and buy after prices drop to pocket change.

I am glad that my report from Japan has clarified everything and we can all relax.

Gnine wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

Gnine wrote:

Beato Angelico wrote:

They stated it in this interview:

https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2020/08/20/panasonic-interview-covid-development-full-frame-micro-four-thirds

I quote the interesting part: "Yes, as I said, this category (compact cameras) is affected by the smartphone's expansion. But still, there are people who continue to use this model. But we have to admit that this category will be going down. And so as a camera business, we have to decide the priority of the development resources, which category is the most important. We have to study for the future."

That's from 2020. The link I posted was from Feb this year.

So can we admit Panasonic can say one thing but do another? :-). Certainly they can change but that's what they said back then, and that goes in line with what my contacts told me.

But we'll see what they do. If no GX10 comes out by next year, I think the line is dead.

No idea what you're talking about. In 2020, with the pandemic raging, they said they were studying the market. In 2022, they confirmed their commitment to continuing with a full range of m4/3 cameras. Your desperation in trying to "prove otherwise" is amusing at best.

It's not "desperation."  Why would I "try to prove it?"  I want a GM9.  They already said what they said before.  In 2022 they made a statement- we need to see what it really means.  When I said I have contacts that told me back then their direction, you sure can take it as me making something up or as someone who really has them- that's certainly your call and I don't plan to attempt to convince you otherwise.  But I gave you a direct link to an open public statement and I also gave you an example of how they have said one thing only to change it.

Notice they didn't commit themselves to a GX10, only to a variety of cameras- that can mean a bunch of things.

PS The release of the PL 9mm is a bit weird if Panasonic's new direction is large, heavy and expensive cameras don't you think? Wouldn't a big, heavy and expensive zoom be more in line with that? Rather than a tiny and very reasonably priced prime?

They have released small primes for bigger bodies, so I am not sure what that means.

But hey, if they do release a GX10 great. You think I am opposed to that when I am in fact, wanting Panasonic to do that (and a GM9 please).  I just don't see the evidence that they are going to do it but if they do great.

Henry Richardson wrote:

Gnine wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

Gnine wrote:

Beato Angelico wrote:

They stated it in this interview:

https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2020/08/20/panasonic-interview-covid-development-full-frame-micro-four-thirds

I quote the interesting part: "Yes, as I said, this category (compact cameras) is affected by the smartphone's expansion. But still, there are people who continue to use this model. But we have to admit that this category will be going down. And so as a camera business, we have to decide the priority of the development resources, which category is the most important. We have to study for the future."

That's from 2020. The link I posted was from Feb this year.

So can we admit Panasonic can say one thing but do another? :-). Certainly they can change but that's what they said back then, and that goes in line with what my contacts told me.

But we'll see what they do. If no GX10 comes out by next year, I think the line is dead.

No idea what you're talking about. In 2020, with the pandemic raging, they said they were studying the market. In 2022, they confirmed their commitment to continuing with a full range of m4/3 cameras. Your desperation in trying to "prove otherwise" is amusing at best.

Both of you are a source of amusement with your speculation, wild guesses, and obsession with the inner workings of huge international corporations and what they may or may not do in the future. Get a life is what I suggest.

You are just ignorant of both the public statements by the company and unfortunately for you the fact that some of us do have real contacts. But that was some time back so maybe they changed direction? It's possible.

Notice that if I had a "speculative agenda" I wouldn't be qualifying what I am saying at all, and just push through with the best interpretation towards "my alleged agenda", but that nuance is probably lost on you

So be amused all you want ;-).

Raist3d if you had contacts at such a level you would not be peddling your unconfirmed information here. Your posts here are based on constant arguments with others.

tashiacis wrote:

Raist3d if you had contacts at such a level you would not be peddling your unconfirmed information here. Your posts here are based on constant arguments with others.

I am only relying what I heard in an anonymous way. Take it or leave it. If I was making this up I would be making something like this often yet from all my commentary in the last 2-3 years this is the only time I am bringing this up? What does make sense?

I along with Todd want to see a GM9 real bad, but it's just not happening. I am afraid the GX10 is under the same fate.

Besides, look more carefully about what I post- I commend people with good photos and put photos of my own, or are you trying to distort what I really post to reach the conclusions you want to reach?

Raist3d wrote:

tashiacis wrote:

Raist3d if you had contacts at such a level you would not be peddling your unconfirmed information here. Your posts here are based on constant arguments with others.

I am only relying what I heard in an anonymous way. Take it or leave it. If I was making this up I would be making something like this often yet from all my commentary in the last 2-3 years this is the only time I am bringing this up? What does make sense?

I along with Todd want to see a GM9 real bad, but it's just not happening. I am afraid the GX10 is under the same fate.

Besides, look more carefully about what I post- I commend people with good photos and put photos of my own, or are you trying to distort what I really post to reach the conclusions you want to reach?

I see. So now we're shifting the goalposts from GX10 to GM9. Desperation personified 🤣🤣

Gnine wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

tashiacis wrote:

Raist3d if you had contacts at such a level you would not be peddling your unconfirmed information here. Your posts here are based on constant arguments with others.

I am only relying what I heard in an anonymous way. Take it or leave it. If I was making this up I would be making something like this often yet from all my commentary in the last 2-3 years this is the only time I am bringing this up? What does make sense?

I along with Todd want to see a GM9 real bad, but it's just not happening. I am afraid the GX10 is under the same fate.

Besides, look more carefully about what I post- I commend people with good photos and put photos of my own, or are you trying to distort what I really post to reach the conclusions you want to reach?

I see. So now we're shifting the goalposts from GX10 to GM9. Desperation personified 🤣🤣

I am not. Maybe you missed the "I am afraid the GX10 is under the same fate." sentence?

Please, at least try to read and reply with the intention to point a truth.

Raist3d wrote:

tashiacis wrote:

Raist3d if you had contacts at such a level you would not be peddling your unconfirmed information here. Your posts here are based on constant arguments with others.

I am only relying what I heard in an anonymous way. Take it or leave it. If I was making this up I would be making something like this often yet from all my commentary in the last 2-3 years this is the only time I am bringing this up? What does make sense?

ASs you cannot present a source for your information it is just total unconfirmed rubbish.

As someone stated here get a life What happened to your leaving?

Me it is all easy I asked figured out it won’t happen as camera companies and the consumers have moved on from what used to be nd bought another new GX7 end of story

tashiacis wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

tashiacis wrote:

Raist3d if you had contacts at such a level you would not be peddling your unconfirmed information here. Your posts here are based on constant arguments with others.

I am only relying what I heard in an anonymous way. Take it or leave it. If I was making this up I would be making something like this often yet from all my commentary in the last 2-3 years this is the only time I am bringing this up? What does make sense?

ASs you cannot present a source for your information it is just total unconfirmed rubbish.

To you it is, and I can understand your skepticism- I welcome it. Which is then you would have to check what I have posted and said over the years and compare if it's random ramble or something against Panasonic. Or don't do it- your call.

Keep in mind I did provide the imaging resource interview link where Panasonic states as much:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66271700

So even concluding I made up "my source" that's exactly what Panasonic publicly said back then. Did they change their mind? Certainly possible. Let's see how they follow in actions.

As someone stated here get a life What happened to your leaving?

While I could answer that I won't because it's irrelevant to the point, though I can address the part about having a life- I have one, thanks for your concern

Me it is all easy I asked figured out it won’t happen as camera companies and the consumers have moved on from what used to be nd bought another new GX7 end of story

Don't quite understand this paragraph.

Henry Richardson wrote:

Gnine wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

Gnine wrote:

Beato Angelico wrote:

They stated it in this interview:

https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2020/08/20/panasonic-interview-covid-development-full-frame-micro-four-thirds

I quote the interesting part: "Yes, as I said, this category (compact cameras) is affected by the smartphone's expansion. But still, there are people who continue to use this model. But we have to admit that this category will be going down. And so as a camera business, we have to decide the priority of the development resources, which category is the most important. We have to study for the future."

That's from 2020. The link I posted was from Feb this year.

So can we admit Panasonic can say one thing but do another? :-). Certainly they can change but that's what they said back then, and that goes in line with what my contacts told me.

But we'll see what they do. If no GX10 comes out by next year, I think the line is dead.

No idea what you're talking about. In 2020, with the pandemic raging, they said they were studying the market. In 2022, they confirmed their commitment to continuing with a full range of m4/3 cameras. Your desperation in trying to "prove otherwise" is amusing at best.

Both of you are a source of amusement with your speculation, wild guesses, and obsession with the inner workings of huge international corporations and what they may or may not do in the future. Get a life is what I suggest.

I have a life thanks. A very full, and enjoyable one to be honest. A bit of travel, hiking in the outdoors, spending time with family, and I even shoot a few photos from time to time. Out for dinner with the wife earlier this week

Travelled OS a couple of months back, and stayed with my Sister for a while.

Wandered the hills a bit

Went boating with family and friends

Done a little bit of sightseeing

Visited and dined with relatives at their house

Where exactly, do you think my life is lacking, and where could it be improved?

Pete_W wrote:

tashiacis wrote:

I had a look at flea bay and there are a few new in the box GX7 cameras available in Japan at reasonable prices , so I have decided to buy one.

Not sure if you're aware that Panasonic cameras sold in Japan are locked to the Japanese language and firmware cannot be changed to another language?

Panasonic GX7 firmware from Japanese to English: Micro Four Thirds Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)

Not the ebay ones

I found a brand new GX7 at a reasonable price with a written manual in Japanese but the display is in multiple languages. Contacted seller and he confirmed it all good to go.

Raist3d wrote:

Gnine wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

Gnine wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

tashiacis wrote:

What’s my chances of seeing one, so far not good?

About Zero, unfortunately.

Panasonic is out of the LX100/GM1/GM5/GF6/GX9/GX7 type camera.

And you know this how?

I have some contacts. Apparently the directive at Panasonic is shift away from small cameras and that includes unfortunately these models.

Though I had concluded already that the GM5 was a done line, that is a confirmed deal. And Panasonic directly publicly confirmed a successor to the LX100 II will be a forever wait (they blamed the rise of cellphones here).

Consider how old is the GX85 and GX9 also, we should have seen one by now.

Sad, the GM5 would probably be my favorite m43rds camera, and a current up to date model would take that crown again easily.

My only hope is that if Panasonic is serious about m43rds they see opportunity now that the competition has shrunk, to re-visit smaller models again.

This is not Olympus we're talking about. Panasonic doesn't say one thing, then go do the exact opposite. There's more still cameras coming, they're committed to m4/3. And a full lineup.

I can only relay to you what I was told. As I said, this came from contacts. Of course Panasonic is free to change their mind.

As for Panasonic saying one thing then go exact opposite they did exactly that in the era on 4/3rds when they reassured everyone they were not leaving the system, until they did. Let's not go into brand team fights on this please. I don't have anything against Panasonic- in fact, I want them to make a GM9, but I gave up.

https://petapixel.com/2022/02/25/panasonic-plans-to-continue-to-support-full-micro-four-thirds-lineup/

Here you go also:

https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2020/08/20/panasonic-interview-covid-development-full-frame-micro-four-thirds

DE: Ah, hai. So it's not just a matter of what your focus is, it's understanding for the high-end market, what balance of features they want, depending on the application. Right. At the lower end of the market, how about the GX line? Personally, I have always liked the GM series, and it was what I would always carry on trips. (I brought an LX100 II this time, though.) But it seemed the GM series never sold well outside of Japan, or at least that was my impression. Do you see a future for that very small form factor, or will more of your efforts be focused in other areas?

Mr. Yamane: Looking at the evolution of smartphones, they will have a multiple sensors and lenses to adapt to various focal length shooting conditions. So this category is gradually being taken over by the smartphone. Especially compact cameras with middle-range zoom lenses, they will be the most affected by the smartphone evolution and expansion of the smartphone. Personally, I use LX or GX for snap shooting, and this is very effective. But we have to admit that this category is the most affected by the smartphone's expansion.

Your link is more recent but Imaging Resource's interview does confirm what my contacts told me.

Of course is a GM9 or GX10 comes out, then we have evidence Panasonic can say one thing and do another too

Also Sony's statement that in a couple of years cell phone will match or exceed DSLR's statement doesn't help. That's where they are heading.

Your post simply conveys a complete lack of comprehension, in addition to not being able to understand  something as simple as reading a date.

Gnine wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

Gnine wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

Gnine wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

tashiacis wrote:

What’s my chances of seeing one, so far not good?

About Zero, unfortunately.

Panasonic is out of the LX100/GM1/GM5/GF6/GX9/GX7 type camera.

And you know this how?

I have some contacts. Apparently the directive at Panasonic is shift away from small cameras and that includes unfortunately these models.

Though I had concluded already that the GM5 was a done line, that is a confirmed deal. And Panasonic directly publicly confirmed a successor to the LX100 II will be a forever wait (they blamed the rise of cellphones here).

Consider how old is the GX85 and GX9 also, we should have seen one by now.

Sad, the GM5 would probably be my favorite m43rds camera, and a current up to date model would take that crown again easily.

My only hope is that if Panasonic is serious about m43rds they see opportunity now that the competition has shrunk, to re-visit smaller models again.

This is not Olympus we're talking about. Panasonic doesn't say one thing, then go do the exact opposite. There's more still cameras coming, they're committed to m4/3. And a full lineup.

I can only relay to you what I was told. As I said, this came from contacts. Of course Panasonic is free to change their mind.

As for Panasonic saying one thing then go exact opposite they did exactly that in the era on 4/3rds when they reassured everyone they were not leaving the system, until they did. Let's not go into brand team fights on this please. I don't have anything against Panasonic- in fact, I want them to make a GM9, but I gave up.

https://petapixel.com/2022/02/25/panasonic-plans-to-continue-to-support-full-micro-four-thirds-lineup/

Here you go also:

https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2020/08/20/panasonic-interview-covid-development-full-frame-micro-four-thirds

DE: Ah, hai. So it's not just a matter of what your focus is, it's understanding for the high-end market, what balance of features they want, depending on the application. Right. At the lower end of the market, how about the GX line? Personally, I have always liked the GM series, and it was what I would always carry on trips. (I brought an LX100 II this time, though.) But it seemed the GM series never sold well outside of Japan, or at least that was my impression. Do you see a future for that very small form factor, or will more of your efforts be focused in other areas?

Mr. Yamane: Looking at the evolution of smartphones, they will have a multiple sensors and lenses to adapt to various focal length shooting conditions. So this category is gradually being taken over by the smartphone. Especially compact cameras with middle-range zoom lenses, they will be the most affected by the smartphone evolution and expansion of the smartphone. Personally, I use LX or GX for snap shooting, and this is very effective. But we have to admit that this category is the most affected by the smartphone's expansion.

Your link is more recent but Imaging Resource's interview does confirm what my contacts told me.

Of course is a GM9 or GX10 comes out, then we have evidence Panasonic can say one thing and do another too

Also Sony's statement that in a couple of years cell phone will match or exceed DSLR's statement doesn't help. That's where they are heading.

Your post simply conveys a complete lack of comprehension, in addition to not being able to understand something as simple as reading a date.

What exactly is missing here in my comprehension? I highlighted what they said. It's pretty clear. As for dates- sure- they could have changed their mind but a few things

- The least you can do is acknowledge that at least two people in this thread presented evidence from what Panasonic themselves said

- You mentioned that Panasonic doesn't say one thing and does another, but now your logic necessitates exactly that. Can you admit that much?

And again - I am all for a GX10. Said so many times before. Even outlined what I think it should have to be competitive and compelling. Well see if 2023 at the end has one because if not, I think it's time to acknowledge this candle is no longer lit in their strategy.

Raist3d you sure know how to rubbish a thread what a beggar of person

tashiacis wrote:

Raist3d you sure know how to rubbish a thread what a beggar of person

Excuse me, I only gave my 2 cents. From that point there was a conversation and replies. Instead of attempting personal attacks you can focus on the argument.

If you don't reply, I won't :-). You can also PM me if you want.

tashiacis wrote:

Raist3d you sure know how to rubbish a thread what a beggar of person

It's impossible to have an intelligent discussion with him. So I'm not even going to try. Two years ago, in the middle of a pandemic, Panasonic agreed that smartphones are putting pressure on their smaller, lower end models, & would consider their position in that particular market. Two years later, they've said they'll continue with a full model lineup. Somehow this means that they're abandoning smaller models, & gone back on their word. Figure that one out. I can't. Perhaps you can. Shrug. Apparently, he has some secret squirrel "contacts" that override what company management are publicly stating, we'll see in the fullness of time.