Panasonic GX10

Pete_W wrote:

tashiacis wrote:

What’s my chances of seeing one, so far not good?

I think there will be another GX model coming, but as with all camera manufacturers the release cycle has slowed down a bit from what it used to be so it might be a while off yet. But that's not a bad thing in my view.

It will have a different naming scheme/nomenclature for sure. That will definitely wind up the OCD portions of the forums without a doubt 🤣🤣🤣

This used to p....me off seriously as well but in the meantime I somehow got used to it ... can't have it all and the rest just fits.

No it just destroys the experience

Yannis1976 wrote:

Why not a used GX8?

used is a unknown I prefer new

there is also the smaller Fuji XE4 which may be of interest to you.

No interest in the sensor plus  no 15mm equivalent

I think the GX9 would be a decent upgrade over your GX7. The form factor is pretty much identical but you get a 20MP sensor, a dedicated EC dial, updated venus engine and menus.

I didn’t upgrade earlier as it doesn’t bring too much to the table over the GX7

tashiacis wrote:

What’s my chances of seeing one, so far not good?

I have a gx7 (20mm, 15mm and recently acquired 42.5.mm) I skipped the newer camera models, thief didn’t bring much to the party except for a couple of nibbles.

The reason I came to the form is to figure out what to get as my gx7 is pretty much as had it too many doss houses while travelling for a decade. As you can gather I am not used to buying camera gear even though this camera helped me acquire a substantial sum of money whilst floating around the planet.

OM/ Olympus are out of the question I shoot manual focus b&w and with focus peeking the Pen reverts to colour on the screen ugh!

Yes that is quite annoying when manual focusing. Although I've always found punch in too be more accurate for me.

not many choices I guess a used GX7 or Gx9 or maybe it’s off the Leica or Fuji land I have not really looked at what is around due to lack of interest. Any ideas?

ps I also extensively shoot a film Contax T2 now a T3 as the T2 died of natural causes

Saw a video about the gx85 with pl 15mm as a great street set up, so seems like if you enjoyed the gx7 the newer ones with will suit you.

You can probably find them pretty cheap nowadays too.

Gnine wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

Gnine wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

tashiacis wrote:

What’s my chances of seeing one, so far not good?

About Zero, unfortunately.

Panasonic is out of the LX100/GM1/GM5/GF6/GX9/GX7 type camera.

And you know this how?

I have some contacts. Apparently the directive at Panasonic is shift away from small cameras and that includes unfortunately these models.

Though I had concluded already that the GM5 was a done line, that is a confirmed deal. And Panasonic directly publicly confirmed a successor to the LX100 II will be a forever wait (they blamed the rise of cellphones here).

Consider how old is the GX85 and GX9 also, we should have seen one by now.

Sad, the GM5 would probably be my favorite m43rds camera, and a current up to date model would take that crown again easily.

My only hope is that if Panasonic is serious about m43rds they see opportunity now that the competition has shrunk, to re-visit smaller models again.

This is not Olympus we're talking about. Panasonic doesn't say one thing, then go do the exact opposite. There's more still cameras coming, they're committed to m4/3. And a full lineup.

I can only relay to you what I was told. As I said, this came from contacts. Of course Panasonic is free to change their mind.

As for Panasonic saying one thing then go exact opposite they did exactly that in the era on 4/3rds when they reassured everyone they were not leaving the system, until they did. Let's not go into brand team fights on this please. I don't have anything against Panasonic- in fact, I want them to make a GM9, but I gave up.

https://petapixel.com/2022/02/25/panasonic-plans-to-continue-to-support-full-micro-four-thirds-lineup/

Here you go also:

https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2020/08/20/panasonic-interview-covid-development-full-frame-micro-four-thirds

DE: Ah, hai. So it's not just a matter of what your focus is, it's understanding for the high-end market, what balance of features they want, depending on the application. Right. At the lower end of the market, how about the GX line? Personally, I have always liked the GM series, and it was what I would always carry on trips. (I brought an LX100 II this time, though.) But it seemed the GM series never sold well outside of Japan, or at least that was my impression. Do you see a future for that very small form factor, or will more of your efforts be focused in other areas?

Mr. Yamane: Looking at the evolution of smartphones, they will have a multiple sensors and lenses to adapt to various focal length shooting conditions. So this category is gradually being taken over by the smartphone. Especially compact cameras with middle-range zoom lenses, they will be the most affected by the smartphone evolution and expansion of the smartphone. Personally, I use LX or GX for snap shooting, and this is very effective. But we have to admit that this category is the most affected by the smartphone's expansion.

Your link is more recent but Imaging Resource's interview does confirm what my contacts told me.

Of course is a GM9 or GX10 comes out, then we have evidence Panasonic can say one thing and do another too

Also Sony's statement that in a couple of years cell phone will match or exceed DSLR's statement doesn't help. That's where they are heading.

Gnine wrote:

Beato Angelico wrote:

They stated it in this interview:

https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2020/08/20/panasonic-interview-covid-development-full-frame-micro-four-thirds

I quote the interesting part: "Yes, as I said, this category (compact cameras) is affected by the smartphone's expansion. But still, there are people who continue to use this model. But we have to admit that this category will be going down. And so as a camera business, we have to decide the priority of the development resources, which category is the most important. We have to study for the future."

That's from 2020. The link I posted was from Feb this year.

So can we admit Panasonic can say one thing but do another? :-). Certainly they can change but that's what they said back then, and that goes in line with what my contacts told me.

But we'll see what they do. If no GX10 comes out by next year, I think the line is dead.

Something for you to consider also- a G10 could be a "lower end model" at this point given inflation and making it near 1/2 the price of say a GH6.  Let's say it was $1400-$1500MSRP- that's a full $700-$800 less than a GH6.

The scuttlebutt I am hearing on the trains here in Japan is that Panasonic has a plan, a Big Plan. Actually they have 2 plans and there is a war going on inside about which way to go.  GX10, G10, GM5 II are all on the table. The Japanese high school girls, who always have the best m4/3 insider info, are convinced that it almost doesn't matter which side wins though because both are humdinger plans:

1. Raise prices dramatically across the board to 5 times the current prices, although for selected products they may even go 10 times the current price. With these higher prices profit per unit will go through the roof. Panasonic will also attract the champagne, caviar, limousine, private jet set who don't have enough status symbols and are pretty tired of carrying around a Leica that they hardly even know how to use.
2. Lower prices dramatically across the board to 1/5 the current prices, although for selected products they may even go 1/10 the current price. Profit per unit will fall into the abyss, but they they believe their sales volume will skyrocket. Sure, Panasonic will lose money on every sale, but they expect to make it up in volume.

Now to get this back to be focused on us, the users, it is clear what we should all do: Either buy now before prices skyrocket or hold off and buy after prices drop to pocket change.

I am glad that my report from Japan has clarified everything and we can all relax.

I see that people are once again wondering about the future. I explained all of this in 2019:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63336146

It is a source of amusement for me and others who live in Japan watching as people try to figure out and predict what will happen in the Japanese camera industry.

After I took this photo of these high school girls I showed it to them. They liked it and me so much that they let me in on the latest scoop about m4/3. Everyone here in Japan knows that the best, most reliable info about what is going on in the Japanese camera industry comes from high school girls. Outside Japan people are always trying to read the tea leaves from financial reports and vague corporate statements. Naturally they feel frustrated with their inability to figure anything out. Note though that high school girls don't share their secrets with just anybody.

High school girls

The high school girls have all the best dope about m4/3, but the elementary school girls in Japan are your go-to source for FF info.

Elementary school girls

Elementary school girls

Raist3d wrote:

Gnine wrote:

Beato Angelico wrote:

They stated it in this interview:

https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2020/08/20/panasonic-interview-covid-development-full-frame-micro-four-thirds

I quote the interesting part: "Yes, as I said, this category (compact cameras) is affected by the smartphone's expansion. But still, there are people who continue to use this model. But we have to admit that this category will be going down. And so as a camera business, we have to decide the priority of the development resources, which category is the most important. We have to study for the future."

That's from 2020. The link I posted was from Feb this year.

So can we admit Panasonic can say one thing but do another? :-). Certainly they can change but that's what they said back then, and that goes in line with what my contacts told me.

But we'll see what they do. If no GX10 comes out by next year, I think the line is dead.

No idea what you're talking about. In 2020, with the pandemic raging, they said they were studying the market. In 2022, they confirmed their commitment to continuing with a full range of m4/3 cameras. Your desperation in trying to "prove otherwise" is amusing at best.

PS The release of the PL 9mm is a bit weird if Panasonic's new direction is large, heavy and expensive cameras don't you think? Wouldn't a big, heavy and expensive zoom be more in line with that? Rather than a tiny and very reasonably priced prime?

To all thanks s for your all input,

I know so many suggested the newer Panasonics but I am aware of these cameras and never upgraded as I didn’t see any worth the upgrade.

So there is no GX10 in the foreseeable future etc not because of Raist3d‘s iffy unconfirmed contacts but the market and manufacturers seems to have moved to new direction and that’s fine. The smartphone just has too much sway in gobbling up the consumers credit cards .

I had a look at flea bay and there are a few new in the box GX7 cameras available in Japan at reasonable prices , so I have decided to buy one.

I will still probably travel with one body and a couple of lenses but there is a backup in a cupboard. I have a bit of work lined up in eastern Siberia come Autumn unless the Russian/Ukrainian spat changes my plans.

Henry Richardson wrote:

I see that people are once again wondering about the future. I explained all of this in 2019:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63336146

It is a source of amusement for me and others who live in Japan watching as people try to figure out and predict what will happen in the Japanese camera industry.

After I took this photo of these high school girls I showed it to them. They liked it and me so much that they let me in on the latest scoop about m4/3. Everyone here in Japan knows that the best, most reliable info about what is going on in the Japanese camera industry comes from high school girls. Outside Japan people are always trying to read the tea leaves from financial reports and vague corporate statements. Naturally they feel frustrated with their inability to figure anything out. Note though that high school girls don't share their secrets with just anybody.

High school girls

The high school girls have all the best dope about m4/3, but the elementary school girls in Japan are your go-to source for FF info.

Elementary school girls

Elementary school girls

Your fascination with Japanese schoolgirls is a bit disturbing.

Gnine did you get the Panasonic 9mm yet?

tashiacis wrote:

Gnine did you get the Panasonic 9mm yet?

Still waiting here in Australia. They're talking mid July, so not too far away now. Hopefully. I'd managed to shuffle thoughts of the 9mm off into a dark, unused corner of my mind and semi forgotten about it, until the UK members started posting photos. Thanks for nothing 🤣🤣

Gnine wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

Gnine wrote:

Beato Angelico wrote:

They stated it in this interview:

https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2020/08/20/panasonic-interview-covid-development-full-frame-micro-four-thirds

I quote the interesting part: "Yes, as I said, this category (compact cameras) is affected by the smartphone's expansion. But still, there are people who continue to use this model. But we have to admit that this category will be going down. And so as a camera business, we have to decide the priority of the development resources, which category is the most important. We have to study for the future."

That's from 2020. The link I posted was from Feb this year.

So can we admit Panasonic can say one thing but do another? :-). Certainly they can change but that's what they said back then, and that goes in line with what my contacts told me.

But we'll see what they do. If no GX10 comes out by next year, I think the line is dead.

No idea what you're talking about. In 2020, with the pandemic raging, they said they were studying the market. In 2022, they confirmed their commitment to continuing with a full range of m4/3 cameras. Your desperation in trying to "prove otherwise" is amusing at best.

Both of you are a source of amusement with your speculation, wild guesses, and obsession with the inner workings of huge international corporations and what they may or may not do in the future. Get a life is what I suggest.