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TCON-17 setting on the XZ-1

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Brian Chichester
Brian Chichester Senior Member • Posts: 1,104
TCON-17 setting on the XZ-1
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When the XZ-1 was released, Olympus also offered a lens tube for it (the CLA-12) and a version of their 1.7X conversion lens (the TCON-17). There is also a menu setting which you enable when the accessory lens is fitted. This rolls out the lens to full zoom and alters the IS parameters to account for the longer FL.

I recently bought a used XZ-1 and a 3rd party lens tube. There are lots of TCON-17s around, but they come in several versions and mostly seem to cost more than my XZ-1 did. The 52mm threaded version is the one for the XZ-1.

As it happens, I have a Ricoh TC-200M, which is similar to the TCON, but somewhat smaller and lighter, and has the required 52mm thread.

As I guessed, if you fit this, the camera has no way of knowing it isn't the TCON-17. It works fine with the menu option enabled. Image quality looks OK.

XZ-1 plus Ricoh TC-200M

I won't be using this a lot, because the extra bulk of tube plus conversion lens makes it quite a lot bigger than the "bare bones" XZ-1, but it's an interesting extra option, and obviously one is not constrained by having to use Olympus accessory lenses.

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elliottnewcomb Forum Pro • Posts: 18,223
Re: TCON-17 setting on the XZ-1

Hi,

I share your enthusiasm for finding clever solutions that 'beat' the system.

a few comments.

I had an XZ-1, one of the brightest and sharpest lenses I had the pleasure to own and use. Your example, using non-oem 1.5x is not XZ-1 sharp. It makes me wonder how sharp Oly's proper 1.7x tele lens would be comparitively.

I have Oly Stylus 1 (at f2.8 not as sharp as XZ-1 (few are). Stylus 1 is a speck sharper when used at f3.0, but not enough to keep me from using f2.8.

I have and frequently use the OEM Oly TCON 1.7x which is very sharp and maintains the constant f2.8 brightness out to 510mm optical (using 2X yields 1,020mm still f2.8, incredible).

I use Kiwi tube, not OEM, but it's length is specific to the 1.7x lens.

It may be the combination of tube length and 1.5x rather than 1.7x (at that distance in front of the base lens) is not as sharp as using OEM tube LENGTH and OEM 1.7x.

Also, exif: Stylus 1, when you tell the menu which lens is on (1.7x or 0.8x wide), the camera automatically does the 1.7x or 0.8x math, the exif '35mm equivalent' is correct.

Using 1.5x, (any variation) it might be better not to tell the camera's menu, zoom manually to avoid vignette, and later do the 1.5x 'equivalent' math yourself if needed.

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Brian Chichester
OP Brian Chichester Senior Member • Posts: 1,104
Re: TCON-17 setting on the XZ-1

Elliott,

Thank you for your comments. I would agree that the Zuiko lens on the XZ-1 is very good, particularly in the way it retains a wide aperture all the way to the tele extreme.

As regards the Ricoh converter, the jury is still out on the performance. My test shots were merely to show that it would focus on the XZ-1 and did not vignette. I will try some more tests of resolution at a later date. It's not so much ultimate detail resolution that I want as consistency across the frame.

Using the menu option (and there is only one option – the XZ-1 does not support wide converters) zooms out the lens and alters the exif data – it gives the FL as 40.8mm, though the combined lens in my case is probably about 36mm. More useful to me is that it beefs up the onboard IS to allow for the longer FL (though it's not quite as long as the camera thinks it is).

This is a fun project on the side, but the appeal of the XZ-1 for me lies very much in the superb lens and very small size.

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Stephen Strangways
Stephen Strangways Contributing Member • Posts: 968
Re: TCON-17 setting on the XZ-1

Brian Chichester wrote:

More useful to me is that it beefs up the onboard IS to allow for the longer FL (though it's not quite as long as the camera thinks it is).

This is exactly what you don't want. The camera will be expecting a 190mm equivalent, which would require more stabilization than the 168mm equivalent that you actually, have, so it will overcompensate, and it will actively blur your photos and make them worse. It's fine to undercorrect by letting the camera think you have a shorter focal length, but you never want it overcorrecting by thinking you have a longer focal length.

Darrell Spreen Forum Pro • Posts: 11,153
Excellent result

The IQ looks very impressive to me. I don't observe any of the problems like vignetting or fringing due to chromatic aberrations or edge fall-off.

There are a number of good telephoto converter lenses and a few use the same optical formula as the Oly 1.7X tcon....I'm not familiar with the Ricoh design.

Also, many people don't know that a number of prime telephoto lenses from Nikon, etc. use afocal lens groups in the designs. Essentially the same as adding the telephoto converter lenses to your camera.

Here's a very old comparison of some of the tele converters which may interest you.

https://pages.mtu.edu/~shene/DigiCam/User-Guide/FZ-30/Converters/Lenses/Telephoto.html

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Brian Chichester
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Re: TCON-17 setting on the XZ-1

Thank you for your thoughts on IS. I'm not an expert on the sensor-shift technology in the XZ-1, but my understanding is that the mechanism senses camera movement and makes a compensating movement to the necessary extent. Increasing the focal length parameter means that the mechanism is allowed more latitude to move, but not that it has to move to its maximum latitude on every exposure.

In my set-up, the difference between the camera's calculated focal length and the actual one is around 10%, so It's not going to matter much one way or the other.

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Stephen Strangways
Stephen Strangways Contributing Member • Posts: 968
Re: TCON-17 setting on the XZ-1

Brian Chichester wrote:

Thank you for your thoughts on IS. I'm not an expert on the sensor-shift technology in the XZ-1, but my understanding is that the mechanism senses camera movement and makes a compensating movement to the necessary extent. Increasing the focal length parameter means that the mechanism is allowed more latitude to move, but not that it has to move to its maximum latitude on every exposure.

How much it moves is always dependent on focal length, not just the maximum that it can move. It is compensating not for the physical movement of the camera, but for the movement of the image projected from the lens onto the sensor. To understand this, you can switch off IS, zoom the lens to its widest, and tilt the camera up and down about a millimetre, observing how much the image moves on the LCD screen. Now do the same movement at full telephoto. See how much further it moves? That's what the sensor shift mechanism is compensating for.

That's why cameras with interchangeable lenses require you to input the focal length of a lens if it doesn't communicate it to the camera. Many people have commented on this forum over the past 14 years since the feature was introduced with issues that ended up being caused by them telling the camera they were using a longer focal length than they actually were.

In my set-up, the difference between the camera's calculated focal length and the actual one is around 10%, so It's not going to matter much one way or the other.

12% over-correction will give you worse results than 50% under-correction. You can do a test to see for yourself. It may be subtle enough to not be recognizable as motion blur, but side-by-side comparisons can reveal that your photos are simply less sharp than they should be. Don't judge the performance of the conversion lens until you rule it out. IS disabled, on a tripod, using the self timer, is a good way to eliminate the variable of camera movement.

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Re: TCON-17 setting on the XZ-1

Stephen,

I feel I should respond to you, since you have clearly spent a lot of time setting out your thoughts on IS, and I would not like you to think I am indifferent to your efforts.

The thing is though, in cases like the camera hack referred to in my original post, my approach is that of an empiricist. I will try the Ricoh TC out in various ways, and if I deem it good enough, it will go on my list of approved add-ons for the XZ-1: if not, it will go back in the parts drawer to await a future call-up.

I will not get fixated on the intricacies of exif or sensor shift amplitude because the TC is a non-OEM item, it's not guaranteed to work, and any successful outcome is a bonus. Also, as you know, the Achilles heel of add-on TCs is that they have to do better than a simple crop of the primary lens image, or they're just dead weight.

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Stephen Strangways
Stephen Strangways Contributing Member • Posts: 968
Re: TCON-17 setting on the XZ-1

Brian Chichester wrote:

The thing is though, in cases like the camera hack referred to in my original post, my approach is that of an empiricist. I will try the Ricoh TC out in various ways, and if I deem it good enough, it will go on my list of approved add-ons for the XZ-1: if not, it will go back in the parts drawer to await a future call-up.

All I hope for is that you will then test the Ricoh TC both with the camera's TC setting on and off. It would be a shame if you didn't, and buried it in a drawer thinking it was of poor optical quality, if it was only performing poorly because of an incorrect setting on the camera.

Darrell Spreen Forum Pro • Posts: 11,153
Info on Ricoh TC 200M

From the same source as above. It appears to be very high quality. Because the magnification is less than the TCON-17, I would expect the IS system in your camera to have sufficient bandwidth and displacement to work properly with it.

https://pages.mtu.edu/~shene/DigiCam/User-Guide/FZ-30/Converters/Other-Lenses/TC-200M.html

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