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RAW + JPEG workflow, Pixel 6 Pro overprocessed SOOC vs RAW, workaround for Google Photos qurik

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ears1991 New Member • Posts: 8
RAW + JPEG workflow, Pixel 6 Pro overprocessed SOOC vs RAW, workaround for Google Photos qurik
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Came up with this workflow for dealing with the fact that if you delete a photo from Google Photos, it won't delete the RAW .dng file, leaving a bit of a mess. Linked rather than copy paste in case I update the workflow in future:

https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/vduogu/raw_jpeg_workflow_comparison_showing_awful/

Album of 5 shots SOOC JPEG vs lightly processed RAW compared (added captions to the SOOC files with my thoughts):

https://www.dpreview.com/galleries/7271281991/albums/pixel-6-sooc-vs-raw

3 with main camera, 2 with 4x lens (noted in caption)

Sold Canon 6D + 24-105 L and got this to replace, initially very disappointed, but after working with the RAWs it is good enough for me.

Example where the issues are apparent without even zooming to 1:1 (well you need to zoom a little more than the thumbnails below)

SOOC JPEG

RAW with light processing

Canon EOS 6D
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fuego6
fuego6 Senior Member • Posts: 2,525
Re: RAW + JPEG workflow, Pixel 6 Pro overprocessed SOOC vs RAW, workaround for Google Photos qurik
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ears1991 wrote:

Came up with this workflow for dealing with the fact that if you delete a photo from Google Photos, it won't delete the RAW .dng file, leaving a bit of a mess. Linked rather than copy paste in case I update the workflow in future:

https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/vduogu/raw_jpeg_workflow_comparison_showing_awful/

Album of 5 shots SOOC JPEG vs lightly processed RAW compared (added captions to the SOOC files with my thoughts):

https://www.dpreview.com/galleries/7271281991/albums/pixel-6-sooc-vs-raw

3 with main camera, 2 with 4x lens (noted in caption)

Sold Canon 6D + 24-105 L and got this to replace, initially very disappointed, but after working with the RAWs it is good enough for me.

Example where the issues are apparent without even zooming to 1:1 (well you need to zoom a little more than the thumbnails below)

SOOC JPEG

RAW with light processing

Honestly difficult to tell the difference between them!

OP ears1991 New Member • Posts: 8
Re: RAW + JPEG workflow, Pixel 6 Pro overprocessed SOOC vs RAW, workaround for Google Photos qurik
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fuego6 wrote:

Honestly difficult to tell the difference between them!

?????

fuego6
fuego6 Senior Member • Posts: 2,525
Re: RAW + JPEG workflow, Pixel 6 Pro overprocessed SOOC vs RAW, workaround for Google Photos qurik
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ears1991 wrote:

fuego6 wrote:

Honestly difficult to tell the difference between them!

?????

well.. if you superzoom... perhaps... who does that on a cell phone photo?

OP ears1991 New Member • Posts: 8
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fuego6 wrote:

ears1991 wrote:

?????

well.. if you superzoom... perhaps... who does that on a cell phone photo?

camera is a camera, this one has potential to replace a standalone camera when processing is not overdone in my opinion.

if i take a photo, i'd like to know it is suitable quality to print if i ever wanted to, so superzooming to assess this isn't so weird is it.

CAcreeks
CAcreeks Forum Pro • Posts: 18,924
Re: RAW + JPEG workflow, Pixel 6 Pro overprocessed SOOC vs RAW, workaround for Google Photos qurik

fuego6 wrote:

ears1991 wrote:

fuego6 wrote:

Honestly difficult to tell the difference between them!

?????

well.. if you superzoom... perhaps... who does that on a cell phone photo?

Agreed.

The out-of-Google-Pixel JPEG has better noise reduction and contrast.

Is the Google Pixel capable of HEIC/HEIF output? Apparently not, based on year old Q&A.

OP ears1991 New Member • Posts: 8
Re: RAW + JPEG workflow, Pixel 6 Pro overprocessed SOOC vs RAW, workaround for Google Photos qurik
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CAcreeks wrote:

fuego6 wrote:

ears1991 wrote:

fuego6 wrote:

Honestly difficult to tell the difference between them!

?????

well.. if you superzoom... perhaps... who does that on a cell phone photo?

Agreed.

The out-of-Google-Pixel JPEG has better noise reduction and contrast.

Is the Google Pixel capable of HEIC/HEIF output? Apparently not, based on year old Q&A.

better = more?

honestly stunned that the mess on the left image can be defended, whole patches of hair basically blurred into a contigious blob of colour:

another example (left is sooc again)

fuego6
fuego6 Senior Member • Posts: 2,525
Re: RAW + JPEG workflow, Pixel 6 Pro overprocessed SOOC vs RAW, workaround for Google Photos qurik
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ears1991 wrote:

CAcreeks wrote:

fuego6 wrote:

ears1991 wrote:

fuego6 wrote:

Honestly difficult to tell the difference between them!

?????

well.. if you superzoom... perhaps... who does that on a cell phone photo?

Agreed.

The out-of-Google-Pixel JPEG has better noise reduction and contrast.

Is the Google Pixel capable of HEIC/HEIF output? Apparently not, based on year old Q&A.

better = more?

honestly stunned that the mess on the left image can be defended, whole patches of hair basically blurred into a contigious blob of colour:

another example (left is sooc again)

not many folks going to take a smartphone photo - zoom to 200% and then print that zoom.  Snap away, share online... even print at 100% to 8x10... don't pixel peep and expect DSLR results.

OP ears1991 New Member • Posts: 8
Re: RAW + JPEG workflow, Pixel 6 Pro overprocessed SOOC vs RAW, workaround for Google Photos qurik
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fuego6 wrote:

not many folks going to take a smartphone photo - zoom to 200% and then print that zoom. Snap away, share online... even print at 100% to 8x10... don't pixel peep and expect DSLR results.

All of the above is 100%, not 200% - which is surely a valid way of evaluating the image?

I agree that no one would zoom to 200% and print that zoom.

The artifacts I'm trying to highlight are surely going to be visible on say the next size up from 8x10, whereas conservative processing avoids these artifacts, such that you could probably print on a larger size, that's interesting/discussion worthy isn't it?

why are you ordering me to not investigate the capabilities of this phone camera?

IMO the comparisons I've put there show that with conservative processing, the results are approaching (entry level) DSLR levels of detail, and having such a device with 24mm and 102mm equiv lenses in my pocket at all times makes me pleased with my decision to sell the 6d + 24-105

CAcreeks
CAcreeks Forum Pro • Posts: 18,924
Re: RAW + JPEG workflow, Pixel 6 Pro overprocessed SOOC vs RAW, workaround for Google Photos qurik

ears1991 wrote:

CAcreeks wrote:

fuego6 wrote:

ears1991 wrote:

fuego6 wrote:

Honestly difficult to tell the difference between them!

?????

well.. if you superzoom... perhaps... who does that on a cell phone photo?

The out-of-Google-Pixel JPEG has better noise reduction and [more] contrast.

better = more?

Good noise reduction is better. When done poorly it blurs results, but that hasn't happened much here. Your example below shows a problem, but it matters hardly at all when considering the overall image.

I'll concede that contrast is a matter of taste; more is not necessarily better.

honestly stunned that the mess on the left image can be defended, whole patches of hair basically blurred into a contiguous blob of colour:

For me this isn't a matter of taste - your Raw conversion has so much noise that the fur follicles look like dotted lines.

If you have a good Raw converter such as DxO, it's possible to get superior results from cellphone DNG. I had good results with Topaz Denoise, with Affinity Photo to color correct because Denoise can't do it.

OP ears1991 New Member • Posts: 8
Re: RAW + JPEG workflow, Pixel 6 Pro overprocessed SOOC vs RAW, workaround for Google Photos qurik

CAcreeks wrote:

For me this isn't a matter of taste - your Raw conversion has so much noise that the fur follicles look like dotted lines.

If you have a good Raw converter such as DxO, it's possible to get superior results from cellphone DNG. I had good results with Topaz Denoise, with Affinity Photo to color correct because Denoise can't do it.

Thanks for the constructive response, will look into those tools!

The level of noise here doesn't detract from the overall quality for me personally, vs what looks almost like aggressive jpeg compression in the SOOC one

CAcreeks
CAcreeks Forum Pro • Posts: 18,924
Re: RAW + JPEG workflow, Pixel 6 Pro overprocessed SOOC vs RAW, workaround for Google Photos qurik

ears1991 wrote:

CAcreeks wrote:

For me this isn't a matter of taste - your Raw conversion has so much noise that the fur follicles look like dotted lines.

If you have a good Raw converter such as DxO, it's possible to get superior results from cellphone DNG. I had good results with Topaz Denoise, with Affinity Photo to color correct because Denoise can't do it.

Thanks for the constructive response, will look into those tools!

The level of noise here doesn't detract from the overall quality for me personally, vs what looks almost like aggressive jpeg compression in the SOOC one

I see from EXIF that your Raw image was processed by Lightroom.

I've never used Lightroom, but it has some noise reduction tools that you might try.

https://capturetheatlas.com/reduce-noise-in-lightroom/

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