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What is the best workflow for amateur usage?

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Badlagar Junior Member • Posts: 33
What is the best workflow for amateur usage?

Hello,

my use of photography is to share in some social networks like twitter or instagram, share some photos with family and the most important, keeping memories for future, for me and my sons.

I want to "waste" the less amount possible for taking, processing and sharing the photos, but I want one step further of my iPhone.

My ideal workflow is to shoot in cRAW, with the camera connect app send the photos to my iPhone (photos are automatically synched to my iCloud). Process in the iPhone or iPad some images and share them. The idea of shooting in cRAW is just if I like very much a photo, to take some time for going back to the sd card, getting the RAW file and process carefully in my Mac. For the rest of the photos I have enough with the jpg file.

I decided to go for cRaw because I am not looking the perfection and taking less MB than normal raw, I can do series of photos faster, and this can be really make a difference in the photo I can take.

I bought a M6 mark ii because is portable and I can bring at any place any moment with the 22mm.

But I found a problem that breaks my workflow. When saving the photos to my iPhone with CameraConnect, if I have shot in cRaw automatically save the photo in jpg (which is good for me) but with very poor resolution.

I have done tests and if I shoot in JPG and download to the iPhone photo size is 8mb, if I shoot in cRAw photo downloaded is 1 mb.

I can think in two solutions:

Shoot in cRaw+jpg fix the issue, the problem is that the card will work (slower) due to the overhead of creating the jpg.

Shoot in jpg, card will work with fastest speed but I am losing the possibility of maybe fix a photo that I like so much.

Edit: Just edit to tell that I process the images with Pixelmator Photo and Pixelmator Pro

How it is your workflow? What of the options would you choose in my case?

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casus Regular Member • Posts: 148
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I don't really accept c-raw as "raw" because they are not the same values that were read from the matrix. I don't quite understand the purpose to spare size except that I have to shoot long series. It's 2022 outhere. About SD Cards

Well, today you use your iPhone, tomorrow your 4K TV, day after tomorrow your 8K TV. But you already shot your photos with degraded quality.

My workflow:

I shoot RAW, load in LR, filter what is "hit", make adjustments, convert to full-size jpegs. Then I make one more directory for small (2000 px on long size) jpegs and upload them to google photo. After that I share the album with my relatives and friends.

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Sudek Forum Member • Posts: 93
Re: What is the best workflow for amateur usage?
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Badlagar wrote:

But I found a problem that breaks my workflow. When saving the photos to my iPhone with CameraConnect, if I have shot in cRaw automatically save the photo in jpg (which is good for me) but with very poor resolution.

I have done tests and if I shoot in JPG and download to the iPhone photo size is 8mb, if I shoot in cRAw photo downloaded is 1 mb.

How it is your workflow? What of the options would you choose in my case?

There is a setting in the camera connect app to download them as CR3.  The phone is probably downloading the preview thumbnail in your case. If you change your settings, it will download the cr3 file as it is, and your phone will indicate that its a raw photo file in the caption. Apple devices are very good in handling craw files. I recommend using Adobe Lightroom, which costs $10 per month, but would make the process much smoother.

I often connect with cameraapp to download selected files to Iphone, then upload them to Lightroom from my phone. If I shoot many photos with burst, this workflow is infeasible. Then I use a computer to to download the selected files, using Adobe Bridge (or XnView). After that I upload selected photographs to Lightroom.

Lightroom works on all devices. Android, Iphone, Ipad, PC, Mac, almost anything except Linux PCs. Even on Linux, you can use the web interface. It syncs automatically on all devices, and it makes the process much easier. As long as you don't want to do heavy editing (like removing complex objects) or noise reduction Lightroom is very convenient.

Many people use Lightroom directly to download files from the SD card, but I often have very low keeper rates if I use bursts and have limited storage in my Adobe Lightroom plan, so I take the longer route of downloading them without Lightroom.

OP Badlagar Junior Member • Posts: 33
Re: What is the best workflow for amateur usage?

Thanks for the replies casus and erhan0.

I prefer to use Pixelmator Photo to Lightroom. I have done very nice presets and It is a software that I like much. I use Apple Photos as my photos repository (mixing different photo sources from different phones, family albums, other cameras...). I do not want to have a separate repository of photos in Adobe Cloud.

I have seen the option to save the CR3 in the iPhone, but this would give me lot of work to convert EVERY photo I take, after converting remove etc. I only want the raw for some specific photos, maybe 1 or 2 in a session or 200 photos.

My workflow is simpler, download to iPhone. Is automatically saved in the Photos app and I forget about the photo. If I have time, after that I can process some photo or if I like a photo very much and need to recover some light go to the sd card for the Raw. But this processing is optional. I want to download and that's all.

For me was perfect the option of shooting raw and automatically converting to jpg with canonconnect and real resolution in the moment of downloading the photos, but seems not to be possible.

Anyone has a simpler workflow (not using lightroom :-))?

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Maxmolly7 Senior Member • Posts: 1,481
Re: What is the best workflow for amateur usage?

I shoot raw and import images via LR to my PC.

I do first adjustments like exposure, color balance, lens correction and cropping in LE, then I I work on Topaz, denoise,  sharpen etc.; works for me.

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Andy01 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,188
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The obvious solution (to me anyway) is to shoot RAW + JPEG, and only use the RAW files when you need to.

I am not sure I understand your comment about this option slowing things down because of the card ? Do you shoot a lot of sustained bursts ? Or do you use a very old/cheap slow card ?

I would have expected the responsiveness of the camera to be pretty much the same for RAW + JPEG as it is for JPEG only (assuming you are using a good high speed card) - as long as you are taking single shots or short bursts with a pause in between bursts - the camera's buffer should take car of this. Obviously if you are shooting longer bursts or lots of short bursts in quick succession, then things will slow down.

Personally I do not follow your type of workflow at all because I shoot RAW only, convert to TIFF (16 bit) on my desktop after doing a first pass cull and applying lens corrections etc in Canon's DPP, and then open the TIFFs in LR to edit further. My photography is not (at al) for social media though so I do appreciate that many people will want to get through things a lot quicker than I do.

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OP Badlagar Junior Member • Posts: 33
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Yes, I think I will do this. Taking photos in cRaw+jpg. I had one old SD card but now I bought a Transcend UHS-II SD 700S and it is working really fast.

Advi
Advi Regular Member • Posts: 456
Enhance you JPG

Adjust the JPG.

Marco Nero has this setting for optimal SOOC JPG in your camera menu:

Pick Menu Photo 4 - Picture Style

Select User Def. and copy settings from Fine Detail.

+1 on saturation

+1 on Color Tone

Now most of your JPG will be optimized SOOC. And only some you will want to fine tune on DPP or LR. 

Like this

Ride thru Rio de Janeiro

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OP Badlagar Junior Member • Posts: 33
Re: Enhance you JPG

Oh, you just opened a new world to explore

I did realized this setting in the camera, but, is really doing such difference to setup this correctly?

Who is "Marco Nero"? Better dont google it 

And finally, what that SOOC means? At the moment in my m6 II is set to automatic.

R2D2 Forum Pro • Posts: 26,528
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Badlagar wrote:

Oh, you just opened a new world to explore

I did realized this setting in the camera, but, is really doing such difference to setup this correctly?

Most software will use your Picture Style settings as a default starting point for processing. This can save you time when you do your editing.

Who is "Marco Nero"? Better dont google it

A frequent contributor here, and an excellent photographer.

And finally, what that SOOC means?

Straight Out Of Camera.

At the moment in my m6 II is set to automatic.

Set it to Program Mode so that you can at least choose your autofocus point.

R2

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OP Badlagar Junior Member • Posts: 33
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R2D2 wrote:

Set it to Program Mode so that you can at least choose your autofocus point.

R2

Sorry, I was not clear. I shoot in manual, I have in "auto" the picture style.

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Re: Enhance you JPG

Badlagar wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

Set it to Program Mode so that you can at least choose your autofocus point.

R2

Sorry, I was not clear. I shoot in manual, I have in "auto" the picture style.

Ah, gotcha!  Thx.

I just keep mine on “Standard.”  It seems to work out the best for me (and how I post process).

R2

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Lost99999 Regular Member • Posts: 336
Re: What is the best workflow for amateur usage?

I made a lot of efforts to set my in camera to the way i like my pictures ( color profile, sharpness, etc). Hence in 95 % of the time i shoot jpeg and i’m done.

I made 1 of the C settings to shoot raw, for cases where it’s murky or with a big dynamic range. Those raws i export to DPP ( so i keep the profiles of color, WB, etc ). With minimal shadow lifting/etc i’m done and export to jpeg.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62665954

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RLight Senior Member • Posts: 4,417
Re: What is the best workflow for amateur usage?

casus wrote:

I don't really accept c-raw as "raw" because they are not the same values that were read from the matrix. I don't quite understand the purpose to spare size except that I have to shoot long series. It's 2022 outhere. About SD Cards

Well, today you use your iPhone, tomorrow your 4K TV, day after tomorrow your 8K TV. But you already shot your photos with degraded quality.

My workflow:

I shoot RAW, load in LR, filter what is "hit", make adjustments, convert to full-size jpegs. Then I make one more directory for small (2000 px on long size) jpegs and upload them to google photo. After that I share the album with my relatives and friends.

Is there a way to bulk apply canon standard color profile instead on Adobe color?

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Dareshooter Veteran Member • Posts: 5,842
Re: What is the best workflow for amateur usage?

RLight wrote:

casus wrote:

I don't really accept c-raw as "raw" because they are not the same values that were read from the matrix. I don't quite understand the purpose to spare size except that I have to shoot long series. It's 2022 outhere. About SD Cards

Well, today you use your iPhone, tomorrow your 4K TV, day after tomorrow your 8K TV. But you already shot your photos with degraded quality.

My workflow:

I shoot RAW, load in LR, filter what is "hit", make adjustments, convert to full-size jpegs. Then I make one more directory for small (2000 px on long size) jpegs and upload them to google photo. After that I share the album with my relatives and friends.

Is there a way to bulk apply canon standard color profile instead on Adobe color?

Go into the import dialogue where you can change Adobe Color to Camera settings.Lightroom will then import the images according to what was set on your camera. However because there are no camera matching profiles for the Fine Detail or Auto picture styles Lightroom will default to Camera Standard instead.

Advi
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Re: Enhance you JPG

Badlagar wrote:

Who is "Marco Nero"? Better dont google it

He writes answers like this:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66263949

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OP Badlagar Junior Member • Posts: 33
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Nice! 

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Badlagar wrote:

Who is "Marco Nero"? Better dont google it

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