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The R7 finally solves Canon’s 4K 60fps dilemma

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Able1039
Able1039 New Member • Posts: 24
The R7 finally solves Canon’s 4K 60fps dilemma
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I’ve been desperately trying to find a reliable way to shoot 4K 60 in a small form a factor. The Canon cameras that offer 4K 60fps are listed below with their weaknesses.

R6- beautiful but overheats

R5- overheats. Adding Atomos Ninja makes it cumbersome

R5 C- chews through a battery in 30 minutes. Adding battery grip makes cumbersome

C70- crop sensor, large body

IDX and R3 - price and size

I usually film skateboarding events at 1080p 60fps but this weekend I decided to bump it up to 4K 60p on my R6. There were 3 events with an hour cool down in between. I got about 30 minutes each event of 4K 60 until it overheated and the rest was shot full HD. When I finally edited the video this weekend I was stunned at how good the 4K 60p was. Crispy, able to slow mo, add stabilization in post, crop in… it was a dream come true. I couldn’t fathom going back to simply full HD. Here’s what I shot

https://youtu.be/CIednx5xS9M

All week I’ve been trying to figure out a solution to shoot more 4K 60p with Canon and kept running into issue after issue. I was particularly disappointed with the R5C. I shoot weddings as well and needed a B and C camera for ceremonies that shoot 4K and most importantly a 4K 60p camera for dreamy slow motion shot with a Ronin S. The only viable option I’ve found is the R7. I figure I’ll connect it to my Ronin, pop on my Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 and I’ve got an equivalent 28-56mm f2.8. Not bad.
I’m just sharing my experience with guys just in case someone else is going through the same dilemma I am. A 4K 60p camera that doesn’t overheat* is a good sign for Canon. Makes me hopeful for the R5 and R6 Mark ii

Any similar stories, insights and disagreements are welcomed below

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palane Contributing Member • Posts: 617
Re: The R7 finally solves Canon’s 4K 60fps dilemma

4K 60fps has got a fair crop.You will have to take that into account.

lumenite Senior Member • Posts: 1,208
Re: The R7 finally solves Canon’s 4K 60fps dilemma
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Able1039 wrote:

I’ve been desperately trying to find a reliable way to shoot 4K 60 in a small form a factor. The Canon cameras that offer 4K 60fps are listed below with their weaknesses.

R6- beautiful but overheats

R5- overheats. Adding Atomos Ninja makes it cumbersome

R5 C- chews through a battery in 30 minutes. Adding battery grip makes cumbersome

C70- crop sensor, large body

IDX and R3 - price and size

R7 - 4K 60 fps, but using line skipping or cropped. I do not know about R3 in this regard.

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Able1039
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Re: The R7 finally solves Canon’s 4K 60fps dilemma

palane wrote:

4K 60fps has got a fair crop.You will have to take that into account.

The R7 is an APSC crop sensor. It does not apply an additional crop in 4K 60fps.
You might be thinking of the R10.

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Able1039
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Re: The R7 finally solves Canon’s 4K 60fps dilemma

lumenite wrote:

Able1039 wrote:

I’ve been desperately trying to find a reliable way to shoot 4K 60 in a small form a factor. The Canon cameras that offer 4K 60fps are listed below with their weaknesses.

R6- beautiful but overheats

R5- overheats. Adding Atomos Ninja makes it cumbersome

R5 C- chews through a battery in 30 minutes. Adding battery grip makes cumbersome

C70- crop sensor, large body

IDX and R3 - price and size

R7 - 4K 60 fps, but using line skipping or cropped. I do not know about R3 in this regard.

This is correct. Either adding sharpening in camera or in post can help with this. It is an extra hassle I do often with my EOS R.

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rreichar Regular Member • Posts: 212
Re: The R7 finally solves Canon’s 4K 60fps dilemma
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I have pre-ordered an R7. Yesterday while shooting bird photos here in Central Texas with my R6 I got several overheat warnings and video wasn’t available. It was hot outside in the high 90s but I was mostly in the shade with a decent breeze. I typically do shoot some video of birds as well so it sucked not having the option. Hopefully the R7 will be better in this regard.

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cfieldgate Regular Member • Posts: 475
Re: The R7 finally solves Canon’s 4K 60fps dilemma
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Able1039 wrote:

I’ve been desperately trying to find a reliable way to shoot 4K 60 in a small form a factor. The Canon cameras that offer 4K 60fps are listed below with their weaknesses.

R6- beautiful but overheats

R5- overheats. Adding Atomos Ninja makes it cumbersome

R5 C- chews through a battery in 30 minutes. Adding battery grip makes cumbersome

C70- crop sensor, large body

IDX and R3 - price and size

I usually film skateboarding events at 1080p 60fps but this weekend I decided to bump it up to 4K 60p on my R6. There were 3 events with an hour cool down in between. I got about 30 minutes each event of 4K 60 until it overheated and the rest was shot full HD. When I finally edited the video this weekend I was stunned at how good the 4K 60p was. Crispy, able to slow mo, add stabilization in post, crop in… it was a dream come true. I couldn’t fathom going back to simply full HD. Here’s what I shot

https://youtu.be/CIednx5xS9M

All week I’ve been trying to figure out a solution to shoot more 4K 60p with Canon and kept running into issue after issue. I was particularly disappointed with the R5C. I shoot weddings as well and needed a B and C camera for ceremonies that shoot 4K and most importantly a 4K 60p camera for dreamy slow motion shot with a Ronin S. The only viable option I’ve found is the R7. I figure I’ll connect it to my Ronin, pop on my Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 and I’ve got an equivalent 28-56mm f2.8. Not bad.
I’m just sharing my experience with guys just in case someone else is going through the same dilemma I am. A 4K 60p camera that doesn’t overheat* is a good sign for Canon. Makes me hopeful for the R5 and R6 Mark ii

Any similar stories, insights and disagreements are welcomed below

Well, overpriced it may be, but the R3 is pretty light for what it is. It’s lighter than the R5 with a grip. It doesn’t overheat either. I’d say it makes a great wedding camera, although I don’t shoot them. See Vanessa Joy’s YouTube review.

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Distinctly Average Senior Member • Posts: 2,527
Re: The R7 finally solves Canon’s 4K 60fps dilemma
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Able1039 wrote:

palane wrote:

4K 60fps has got a fair crop.You will have to take that into account.

The R7 is an APSC crop sensor. It does not apply an additional crop in 4K 60fps.
You might be thinking of the R10.

Watching the reviews and reading the specs you have a choice on the R7, line skipped or cropped.

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Markr041 Forum Pro • Posts: 10,078
No it Doesn't. Check out Sony
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Able1039 wrote:

I’ve been desperately trying to find a reliable way to shoot 4K 60 in a small form a factor. The Canon cameras that offer 4K 60fps are listed below with their weaknesses.

R6- beautiful but overheats

R5- overheats. Adding Atomos Ninja makes it cumbersome

R5 C- chews through a battery in 30 minutes. Adding battery grip makes cumbersome

C70- crop sensor, large body

IDX and R3 - price and size

I usually film skateboarding events at 1080p 60fps but this weekend I decided to bump it up to 4K 60p on my R6. There were 3 events with an hour cool down in between. I got about 30 minutes each event of 4K 60 until it overheated and the rest was shot full HD. When I finally edited the video this weekend I was stunned at how good the 4K 60p was. Crispy, able to slow mo, add stabilization in post, crop in… it was a dream come true. I couldn’t fathom going back to simply full HD. Here’s what I shot

https://youtu.be/CIednx5xS9M

All week I’ve been trying to figure out a solution to shoot more 4K 60p with Canon and kept running into issue after issue. I was particularly disappointed with the R5C. I shoot weddings as well and needed a B and C camera for ceremonies that shoot 4K and most importantly a 4K 60p camera for dreamy slow motion shot with a Ronin S. The only viable option I’ve found is the R7. I figure I’ll connect it to my Ronin, pop on my Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 and I’ve got an equivalent 28-56mm f2.8. Not bad.
I’m just sharing my experience with guys just in case someone else is going through the same dilemma I am. A 4K 60p camera that doesn’t overheat* is a good sign for Canon. Makes me hopeful for the R5 and R6 Mark ii

Any similar stories, insights and disagreements are welcomed below

I am not a Sony fan boy, and shoot a lot of video with the R5. I also shoot skateboarders.

But if you are serious about slow motion and video quality, then the Sony fx3 or a7s iii is better than any of the Canon offerings. They shoot 4K 60p and 4K 120P with no overheating (fx3), no line skipping, and full frame.

Here is a skateboarding example shot in 4K 120p:

https://youtu.be/wb07_yXaKJk

The GoPro Hero 10 also shoots high quality 4K 120p, and gives you a wide perspective you may need - in your video in many of your shots you cut off subjects because you are too close or not zooming or panning fast enough. Zooming is really important for following action, and many Sony zoom llenses are near parfocal. A crop camera (APS-C) makes shooting fast action more difficult.

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Able1039
OP Able1039 New Member • Posts: 24
Re: No it Doesn't. Check out Sony
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Markr041 wrote:

Able1039 wrote:

I’ve been desperately trying to find a reliable way to shoot 4K 60 in a small form a factor. The Canon cameras that offer 4K 60fps are listed below with their weaknesses.

R6- beautiful but overheats

R5- overheats. Adding Atomos Ninja makes it cumbersome

R5 C- chews through a battery in 30 minutes. Adding battery grip makes cumbersome

C70- crop sensor, large body

IDX and R3 - price and size

I usually film skateboarding events at 1080p 60fps but this weekend I decided to bump it up to 4K 60p on my R6. There were 3 events with an hour cool down in between. I got about 30 minutes each event of 4K 60 until it overheated and the rest was shot full HD. When I finally edited the video this weekend I was stunned at how good the 4K 60p was. Crispy, able to slow mo, add stabilization in post, crop in… it was a dream come true. I couldn’t fathom going back to simply full HD. Here’s what I shot

https://youtu.be/CIednx5xS9M

All week I’ve been trying to figure out a solution to shoot more 4K 60p with Canon and kept running into issue after issue. I was particularly disappointed with the R5C. I shoot weddings as well and needed a B and C camera for ceremonies that shoot 4K and most importantly a 4K 60p camera for dreamy slow motion shot with a Ronin S. The only viable option I’ve found is the R7. I figure I’ll connect it to my Ronin, pop on my Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 and I’ve got an equivalent 28-56mm f2.8. Not bad.
I’m just sharing my experience with guys just in case someone else is going through the same dilemma I am. A 4K 60p camera that doesn’t overheat* is a good sign for Canon. Makes me hopeful for the R5 and R6 Mark ii

Any similar stories, insights and disagreements are welcomed below

I am not a Sony fan boy, and shoot a lot of video with the R5. I also shoot skateboarders.

But if you are serious about slow motion and video quality, then the Sony fx3 or a7s iii is better than any of the Canon offerings. They shoot 4K 60p and 4K 120P with no overheating (fx3), no line skipping, and full frame.

Here is a skateboarding example shot in 4K 120p:

https://youtu.be/wb07_yXaKJk

The GoPro Hero 10 also shoots high quality 4K 120p, and gives you a wide perspective you may need - in your video in many of your shots you cut off subjects because you are too close or not zooming or panning fast enough. Zooming is really important for following action, and many Sony zoom llenses are near parfocal. A crop camera (APS-C) makes shooting fast action more difficult.

I appreciate your input on Sony camera models. The A7S iii is one I debated switching to.

thanks for the critique, but I think I know a thing or two about shooting skateboarding.
I’ve run a skate magazine for over 5 years.

https://www.ableskatemag.com

The style of filming in the video I posted was on purpose. It was more about the skaters and not the tricks. Those people were all legends and It was a teaser for a documentary.
Here’s a 60 second video I filmed for Volcom for my usual filming style

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CWmioKLlVmX/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

This isn’t about me though. It’s about Canon and their love/have relationship with video shooters

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Distinctly Average Senior Member • Posts: 2,527
Re: No it Doesn't. Check out Sony
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Able1039 wrote:

Markr041 wrote:

Able1039 wrote:

I’ve been desperately trying to find a reliable way to shoot 4K 60 in a small form a factor. The Canon cameras that offer 4K 60fps are listed below with their weaknesses.

R6- beautiful but overheats

R5- overheats. Adding Atomos Ninja makes it cumbersome

R5 C- chews through a battery in 30 minutes. Adding battery grip makes cumbersome

C70- crop sensor, large body

IDX and R3 - price and size

I usually film skateboarding events at 1080p 60fps but this weekend I decided to bump it up to 4K 60p on my R6. There were 3 events with an hour cool down in between. I got about 30 minutes each event of 4K 60 until it overheated and the rest was shot full HD. When I finally edited the video this weekend I was stunned at how good the 4K 60p was. Crispy, able to slow mo, add stabilization in post, crop in… it was a dream come true. I couldn’t fathom going back to simply full HD. Here’s what I shot

https://youtu.be/CIednx5xS9M

All week I’ve been trying to figure out a solution to shoot more 4K 60p with Canon and kept running into issue after issue. I was particularly disappointed with the R5C. I shoot weddings as well and needed a B and C camera for ceremonies that shoot 4K and most importantly a 4K 60p camera for dreamy slow motion shot with a Ronin S. The only viable option I’ve found is the R7. I figure I’ll connect it to my Ronin, pop on my Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 and I’ve got an equivalent 28-56mm f2.8. Not bad.
I’m just sharing my experience with guys just in case someone else is going through the same dilemma I am. A 4K 60p camera that doesn’t overheat* is a good sign for Canon. Makes me hopeful for the R5 and R6 Mark ii

Any similar stories, insights and disagreements are welcomed below

I am not a Sony fan boy, and shoot a lot of video with the R5. I also shoot skateboarders.

But if you are serious about slow motion and video quality, then the Sony fx3 or a7s iii is better than any of the Canon offerings. They shoot 4K 60p and 4K 120P with no overheating (fx3), no line skipping, and full frame.

Here is a skateboarding example shot in 4K 120p:

https://youtu.be/wb07_yXaKJk

The GoPro Hero 10 also shoots high quality 4K 120p, and gives you a wide perspective you may need - in your video in many of your shots you cut off subjects because you are too close or not zooming or panning fast enough. Zooming is really important for following action, and many Sony zoom llenses are near parfocal. A crop camera (APS-C) makes shooting fast action more difficult.

I appreciate your input on Sony camera models. The A7S iii is one I debated switching to.

thanks for the critique, but I think I know a thing or two about shooting skateboarding.
I’ve run a skate magazine for over 5 years.

https://www.ableskatemag.com

The style of filming in the video I posted was on purpose. It was more about the skaters and not the tricks. Those people were all legends and It was a teaser for a documentary.
Here’s a 60 second video I filmed for Volcom for my usual filming style

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CWmioKLlVmX/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

This isn’t about me though. It’s about Canon and their love/have relationship with video shooters

Thanks for sharing your videos, I really enjoyed them.

I am into another board sport, windsurfing in my case. It is interesting when you see some very accomplished togs and videographers try and shoot these kinds of sports. While they may produce a competent result, you can really see the difference when the creators also know the sport intimately. It is not just the moves, but knowing  the riders, what they do and where they show their flair. That really makes the difference to me.

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Able1039
OP Able1039 New Member • Posts: 24
Re: No it Doesn't. Check out Sony
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Distinctly Average wrote:

Able1039 wrote:

Markr041 wrote:

Able1039 wrote:

I’ve been desperately trying to find a reliable way to shoot 4K 60 in a small form a factor. The Canon cameras that offer 4K 60fps are listed below with their weaknesses.

R6- beautiful but overheats

R5- overheats. Adding Atomos Ninja makes it cumbersome

R5 C- chews through a battery in 30 minutes. Adding battery grip makes cumbersome

C70- crop sensor, large body

IDX and R3 - price and size

I usually film skateboarding events at 1080p 60fps but this weekend I decided to bump it up to 4K 60p on my R6. There were 3 events with an hour cool down in between. I got about 30 minutes each event of 4K 60 until it overheated and the rest was shot full HD. When I finally edited the video this weekend I was stunned at how good the 4K 60p was. Crispy, able to slow mo, add stabilization in post, crop in… it was a dream come true. I couldn’t fathom going back to simply full HD. Here’s what I shot

https://youtu.be/CIednx5xS9M

All week I’ve been trying to figure out a solution to shoot more 4K 60p with Canon and kept running into issue after issue. I was particularly disappointed with the R5C. I shoot weddings as well and needed a B and C camera for ceremonies that shoot 4K and most importantly a 4K 60p camera for dreamy slow motion shot with a Ronin S. The only viable option I’ve found is the R7. I figure I’ll connect it to my Ronin, pop on my Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 and I’ve got an equivalent 28-56mm f2.8. Not bad.
I’m just sharing my experience with guys just in case someone else is going through the same dilemma I am. A 4K 60p camera that doesn’t overheat* is a good sign for Canon. Makes me hopeful for the R5 and R6 Mark ii

Any similar stories, insights and disagreements are welcomed below

I am not a Sony fan boy, and shoot a lot of video with the R5. I also shoot skateboarders.

But if you are serious about slow motion and video quality, then the Sony fx3 or a7s iii is better than any of the Canon offerings. They shoot 4K 60p and 4K 120P with no overheating (fx3), no line skipping, and full frame.

Here is a skateboarding example shot in 4K 120p:

https://youtu.be/wb07_yXaKJk

The GoPro Hero 10 also shoots high quality 4K 120p, and gives you a wide perspective you may need - in your video in many of your shots you cut off subjects because you are too close or not zooming or panning fast enough. Zooming is really important for following action, and many Sony zoom llenses are near parfocal. A crop camera (APS-C) makes shooting fast action more difficult.

I appreciate your input on Sony camera models. The A7S iii is one I debated switching to.

thanks for the critique, but I think I know a thing or two about shooting skateboarding.
I’ve run a skate magazine for over 5 years.

https://www.ableskatemag.com

The style of filming in the video I posted was on purpose. It was more about the skaters and not the tricks. Those people were all legends and It was a teaser for a documentary.
Here’s a 60 second video I filmed for Volcom for my usual filming style

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CWmioKLlVmX/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

This isn’t about me though. It’s about Canon and their love/have relationship with video shooters

Thanks for sharing your videos, I really enjoyed them.

I am into another board sport, windsurfing in my case. It is interesting when you see some very accomplished togs and videographers try and shoot these kinds of sports. While they may produce a competent result, you can really see the difference when the creators also know the sport intimately. It is not just the moves, but knowing the riders, what they do and where they show their flair. That really makes the difference to me.

Thanks. This is absolutely true. Recently, a local Contest organizer hired some surfing photographers for his skateboard competitions and it’s been a weird couple of months working around them. None of what they know from surf photography applies to skateboarding. And likewise, I would be lost trying to capture surfing in a way that reflects their sport properly.

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Markr041 Forum Pro • Posts: 10,078
Re: No it Doesn't. Check out Sony
  • Able1039 wrote:

Markr041 wrote:

Able1039 wrote:

I’ve been desperately trying to find a reliable way to shoot 4K 60 in a small form a factor. The Canon cameras that offer 4K 60fps are listed below with their weaknesses.

R6- beautiful but overheats

R5- overheats. Adding Atomos Ninja makes it cumbersome

R5 C- chews through a battery in 30 minutes. Adding battery grip makes cumbersome

C70- crop sensor, large body

IDX and R3 - price and size

I usually film skateboarding events at 1080p 60fps but this weekend I decided to bump it up to 4K 60p on my R6. There were 3 events with an hour cool down in between. I got about 30 minutes each event of 4K 60 until it overheated and the rest was shot full HD. When I finally edited the video this weekend I was stunned at how good the 4K 60p was. Crispy, able to slow mo, add stabilization in post, crop in… it was a dream come true. I couldn’t fathom going back to simply full HD. Here’s what I shot

https://youtu.be/CIednx5xS9M

All week I’ve been trying to figure out a solution to shoot more 4K 60p with Canon and kept running into issue after issue. I was particularly disappointed with the R5C. I shoot weddings as well and needed a B and C camera for ceremonies that shoot 4K and most importantly a 4K 60p camera for dreamy slow motion shot with a Ronin S. The only viable option I’ve found is the R7. I figure I’ll connect it to my Ronin, pop on my Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 and I’ve got an equivalent 28-56mm f2.8. Not bad.
I’m just sharing my experience with guys just in case someone else is going through the same dilemma I am. A 4K 60p camera that doesn’t overheat* is a good sign for Canon. Makes me hopeful for the R5 and R6 Mark ii

Any similar stories, insights and disagreements are welcomed below

I am not a Sony fan boy, and shoot a lot of video with the R5. I also shoot skateboarders.

But if you are serious about slow motion and video quality, then the Sony fx3 or a7s iii is better than any of the Canon offerings. They shoot 4K 60p and 4K 120P with no overheating (fx3), no line skipping, and full frame.

Here is a skateboarding example shot in 4K 120p:

https://youtu.be/wb07_yXaKJk

The GoPro Hero 10 also shoots high quality 4K 120p, and gives you a wide perspective you may need - in your video in many of your shots you cut off subjects because you are too close or not zooming or panning fast enough. Zooming is really important for following action, and many Sony zoom llenses are near parfocal. A crop camera (APS-C) makes shooting fast action more difficult.

I appreciate your input on Sony camera models. The A7S iii is one I debated switching to.

thanks for the critique, but I think I know a thing or two about shooting skateboarding.
I’ve run a skate magazine for over 5 years.

https://www.ableskatemag.com

The style of filming in the video I posted was on purpose. It was more about the skaters and not the tricks. Those people were all legends and It was a teaser for a documentary.
Here’s a 60 second video I filmed for Volcom for my usual filming style

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CWmioKLlVmX/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

This isn’t about me though. It’s about Canon and their love/have relationship with video shooters

The new video still cuts off heads and more when the sb gets close and does his trick. It is clear you do not use zoom to frame, and I think that results in this phenomenon, which I find to be a limitation. Maybe you think cutting off heads is desirable, fine. This is not personal, it is about equipment and technique. Zooming in video is a standard technique used in all sports by professionals. And the fact is that most camera zooms by Canon do not zoom without losing focus or cannot zoom smoothly. That is an important limitation for action sports video, and not zooming is not the remedy. Some Canon zooms are ok, but lack of power zooms is a real constraint. Besides lack of full frame hfr without crop or artifacts. I don't think any of these hybrid cameras and lenses are ideal for sports, especially skateboarding, which is among the most challenging. Btw, your sampled videos are otherwise great.

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Daniloribeirodeabreu New Member • Posts: 19
Re: The R7 finally solves Canon’s 4K 60fps dilemma

Hey, man..

Which canon lenses you use more often?

I mean, there is the 8-15 fisheye, probably the most used lens for skate... even people who use Sony cameras, normally put the canon fisheye on it...
Canon EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye USM Lens 4427B002 B&H Photo Video (bhphotovideo.com)

Maybe there will be a new one with RF mount coming:

Patent: Canon RF 11-24mm f/4L and Canon RF 8-24mm f/4L Fisheye | Canon Rumors - Your best source for Canon rumors, leaks and gossip

But my question is, what about the telephoto smooth zooming kind of lens?

I'm a skater myself, I want to buy a kit, but have not decided about Canon or Sony. I have seen some people praising the Sony pz 18-105 f4 (APSC).

I've serched for Canon PZ lenses, without success. So, is there a Canon lens i can zoom smoothly? Power Zoom is really necessary?

Distinctly Average Senior Member • Posts: 2,527
Re: The R7 finally solves Canon’s 4K 60fps dilemma
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Daniloribeirodeabreu wrote:

Hey, man..

Which canon lenses you use more often?

I mean, there is the 8-15 fisheye, probably the most used lens for skate... even people who use Sony cameras, normally put the canon fisheye on it...
Canon EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye USM Lens 4427B002 B&H Photo Video (bhphotovideo.com)

Maybe there will be a new one with RF mount coming:

Patent: Canon RF 11-24mm f/4L and Canon RF 8-24mm f/4L Fisheye | Canon Rumors - Your best source for Canon rumors, leaks and gossip

But my question is, what about the telephoto smooth zooming kind of lens?

I'm a skater myself, I want to buy a kit, but have not decided about Canon or Sony. I have seen some people praising the Sony pz 18-105 f4 (APSC).

I've serched for Canon PZ lenses, without success. So, is there a Canon lens i can zoom smoothly? Power Zoom is really necessary?

Personally, I don’t think power zoom is important. A lot depends on your shooting style and what you want from your kit. Most power zoom systems do not act rapidly but do give a lovely smooth transition. With a good manual zoom you can do this, plus you can do rapid focal length changes which do not really need to be smooth, If you have an 8K camera like the R5, you can also zoom quite nicely in software. If you are publishing in 4K that is quite a nice zoom without loss of quality. For rapid shots you could crop even more in your zoom maybe down to 1080 and nobody would notice a lack of quality.

Far more important than kit is IMO your knowledge of the sport and your creativity. I’ve seen some amazing skating movies shot with really basic kit. Modern AF really helps, but it is you and your story telling that counts.

Just as an example here is a film Andre shot 14 years ago mainly using GoPros and DSLRs of the era, nothing as advanced as we have today. His skilful editing made for a nice short movie, which given it was 14 years ago doesn’t look too shabby today. Andre is the blonde guy in the video with almost no hair. That was because he was being treated for the big C at the time which took him not long after that film. Had he still been with us today I am sure we would have seen some really amazing work - https://youtu.be/jOEbihnsZwI

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Re: The R7 finally solves Canon’s 4K 60fps dilemma
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Daniloribeirodeabreu wrote:

Hey, man..

Which canon lenses you use more often?

I mean, there is the 8-15 fisheye, probably the most used lens for skate... even people who use Sony cameras, normally put the canon fisheye on it...
Canon EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye USM Lens 4427B002 B&H Photo Video (bhphotovideo.com)

Maybe there will be a new one with RF mount coming:

Patent: Canon RF 11-24mm f/4L and Canon RF 8-24mm f/4L Fisheye | Canon Rumors - Your best source for Canon rumors, leaks and gossip

But my question is, what about the telephoto smooth zooming kind of lens?

I'm a skater myself, I want to buy a kit, but have not decided about Canon or Sony. I have seen some people praising the Sony pz 18-105 f4 (APSC).

I've serched for Canon PZ lenses, without success. So, is there a Canon lens i can zoom smoothly? Power Zoom is really necessary?

Holy jeez!!! An 8-24mm RF?!!! That sounds magical! Yes, the Canon 8-15 is pretty much the standard in professional skateboard film making. I was days away from purchasing one until a buddy of mine told me about the Tokina 10-17mm fisheye. Now there’s two types of that lens. One with and one without the lens hood. You want the one without it. Ideally you want to pair with a full frame camera for maximum distortion and vignette since that’s the common look of professional skate videos.

I’ll share with you my set up. I’m shooting with an R6. I keep it rigged with a cam caddie scorpion EX. If you get that I recommend the cheese plate so you can tripod mount from time to time and definitely get the “lock out” kit as well (or just get the “Pro Kit” that comes with everything). My zoom is the RF 24-240. It is a dream. In body stabilization, lens stabilization and a touch of digital stabilization has improved my footage greatly, as far as smooth zooming…. Tons of practice and repetition. Here’s the latest flick I posted on yesterday where I use the zoom extensively. Hope this helps

https://youtu.be/DROUjCIyZ30

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G Dickson
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Re: The R7 finally solves Canon’s 4K 60fps dilemma

Nice video BTW.

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Higgins2002
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Re: The R7 finally solves Canon’s 4K 60fps dilemma
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  1. Able1039 wrote:

I’ve been desperately trying to find a reliable way to shoot 4K 60 in a small form a factor. The Canon cameras that offer 4K 60fps are listed below with their weaknesses.

R6- beautiful but overheats

R5- overheats. Adding Atomos Ninja makes it cumbersome

R5 C- chews through a battery in 30 minutes. Adding battery grip makes cumbersome

C70- crop sensor, large body

IDX and R3 - price and size

I usually film skateboarding events at 1080p 60fps but this weekend I decided to bump it up to 4K 60p on my R6. There were 3 events with an hour cool down in between. I got about 30 minutes each event of 4K 60 until it overheated and the rest was shot full HD. When I finally edited the video this weekend I was stunned at how good the 4K 60p was. Crispy, able to slow mo, add stabilization in post, crop in… it was a dream come true. I couldn’t fathom going back to simply full HD. Here’s what I shot

https://youtu.be/CIednx5xS9M

All week I’ve been trying to figure out a solution to shoot more 4K 60p with Canon and kept running into issue after issue. I was particularly disappointed with the R5C. I shoot weddings as well and needed a B and C camera for ceremonies that shoot 4K and most importantly a 4K 60p camera for dreamy slow motion shot with a Ronin S. The only viable option I’ve found is the R7. I figure I’ll connect it to my Ronin, pop on my Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 and I’ve got an equivalent 28-56mm f2.8. Not bad.
I’m just sharing my experience with guys just in case someone else is going through the same dilemma I am. A 4K 60p camera that doesn’t overheat* is a good sign for Canon. Makes me hopeful for the R5 and R6 Mark ii

Any similar stories, insights and disagreements are welcomed below

R7 4k60 is the line skipping version, R5 does line skipping too in fullframe but 5,1k oversampling in 4k60p APS-C mode.

I have not overheated my R5 in 4K60p APS-C mode yet

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Able1039
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Re: No it Doesn't. Check out Sony

Markr041 wrote:

  • Able1039 wrote:

Markr041 wrote:

Able1039 wrote:

I’ve been desperately trying to find a reliable way to shoot 4K 60 in a small form a factor. The Canon cameras that offer 4K 60fps are listed below with their weaknesses.

R6- beautiful but overheats

R5- overheats. Adding Atomos Ninja makes it cumbersome

R5 C- chews through a battery in 30 minutes. Adding battery grip makes cumbersome

C70- crop sensor, large body

IDX and R3 - price and size

I usually film skateboarding events at 1080p 60fps but this weekend I decided to bump it up to 4K 60p on my R6. There were 3 events with an hour cool down in between. I got about 30 minutes each event of 4K 60 until it overheated and the rest was shot full HD. When I finally edited the video this weekend I was stunned at how good the 4K 60p was. Crispy, able to slow mo, add stabilization in post, crop in… it was a dream come true. I couldn’t fathom going back to simply full HD. Here’s what I shot

https://youtu.be/CIednx5xS9M

All week I’ve been trying to figure out a solution to shoot more 4K 60p with Canon and kept running into issue after issue. I was particularly disappointed with the R5C. I shoot weddings as well and needed a B and C camera for ceremonies that shoot 4K and most importantly a 4K 60p camera for dreamy slow motion shot with a Ronin S. The only viable option I’ve found is the R7. I figure I’ll connect it to my Ronin, pop on my Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 and I’ve got an equivalent 28-56mm f2.8. Not bad.
I’m just sharing my experience with guys just in case someone else is going through the same dilemma I am. A 4K 60p camera that doesn’t overheat* is a good sign for Canon. Makes me hopeful for the R5 and R6 Mark ii

Any similar stories, insights and disagreements are welcomed below

I am not a Sony fan boy, and shoot a lot of video with the R5. I also shoot skateboarders.

But if you are serious about slow motion and video quality, then the Sony fx3 or a7s iii is better than any of the Canon offerings. They shoot 4K 60p and 4K 120P with no overheating (fx3), no line skipping, and full frame.

Here is a skateboarding example shot in 4K 120p:

https://youtu.be/wb07_yXaKJk

The GoPro Hero 10 also shoots high quality 4K 120p, and gives you a wide perspective you may need - in your video in many of your shots you cut off subjects because you are too close or not zooming or panning fast enough. Zooming is really important for following action, and many Sony zoom llenses are near parfocal. A crop camera (APS-C) makes shooting fast action more difficult.

I appreciate your input on Sony camera models. The A7S iii is one I debated switching to.

thanks for the critique, but I think I know a thing or two about shooting skateboarding.
I’ve run a skate magazine for over 5 years.

https://www.ableskatemag.com

The style of filming in the video I posted was on purpose. It was more about the skaters and not the tricks. Those people were all legends and It was a teaser for a documentary.
Here’s a 60 second video I filmed for Volcom for my usual filming style

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CWmioKLlVmX/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

This isn’t about me though. It’s about Canon and their love/have relationship with video shooters

The new video still cuts off heads and more when the sb gets close and does his trick. It is clear you do not use zoom to frame, and I think that results in this phenomenon, which I find to be a limitation. Maybe you think cutting off heads is desirable, fine. This is not personal, it is about equipment and technique. Zooming in video is a standard technique used in all sports by professionals. And the fact is that most camera zooms by Canon do not zoom without losing focus or cannot zoom smoothly. That is an important limitation for action sports video, and not zooming is not the remedy. Some Canon zooms are ok, but lack of power zooms is a real constraint. Besides lack of full frame hfr without crop or artifacts. I don't think any of these hybrid cameras and lenses are ideal for sports, especially skateboarding, which is among the most challenging. Btw, your sampled videos are otherwise great.

I understand that you are not up to date with current skateboarding film making trends and styles so allow me to introduce you to William Strobeck, he is skateboarding’s most respected and most imitated filmmaker today. He is the official filmer for Supreme and skateboarding’s hottest company “Fing Awesome.” If you think MY zooming is nauseating, buckle up partner because its about to be a bumpy ride…

Bill Stobeck

https://youtu.be/-5bHL3pw80I

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krmarf Junior Member • Posts: 38
Re: The R7 finally solves Canon’s 4K 60fps dilemma
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Have you tried using IPB light? I shoot skateboarding with my R6 (mostly fisheye) and recently tried IPB light at my recent wedding gig, shooting 4K 60p. Now I didn't shoot everything in 60p but the camera did not get as warm as it used to be using the regular IPB codec. I can't see any difference in quality and I've really tried, except for the much smaller file size! Might be worth checking out! But yeah, a dedicated video camera is unfortunately the ultimate way to go, even though they too get hot but at least they got fans built in.

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