Where is the successor to the original EOS R?

So many new mirror-less camera body releases since the original EOS R, but I haven't heard much when (or if) a direct successor is coming.

I don't want/need a pro body, and I don't want a crop sensor. Does Canon expect us to upgrade to the R5/R6?

For the most part, I'm mostly fine with the R, but it's auto-focus system is definitely looking quite dated.

I'm basically looking for the same R body + updated focusing system (that every other newer R-body camera seems to have), and a faster sensor readout fo a more useable silent/electronic shutter (without the banding/stretching artifacts). Everything else can pretty much stay the same.

With Canon's mirrorless lineup more or less fleshed out, I feel the R has a fairly narrow range to fit into without cannibalizing sales from other models. Both the pricing and feature-set has to fit between the R7 and R6.

Canon is starting to run out of ranking numbers.

R3, R5, R6, R7, R10

Does the R become the R8?

Does the RP becomes the R9?

Trent Severn wrote:

So many new mirror-less camera body releases since the original EOS R, but I haven't heard much when (or if) a direct successor is coming.

I don't want/need a pro body, and I don't want a crop sensor. Does Canon expect us to upgrade to the R5/R6?

For the most part, I'm mostly fine with the R, but it's auto-focus system is definitely looking quite dated.

I'm basically looking for the same R body + updated focusing system (that every other newer R-body camera seems to have), and a faster sensor readout fo a more useable silent/electronic shutter (without the banding/stretching artifacts). Everything else can pretty much stay the same.

i'm dreadfully sorry to grief you, but yes, the "successor" to the r was the r5, take it or leave it, the r was a camera that didn't hold a place in canon's lineup (thus wasn't numbered), it was a testbed for creating a proper mirrorless system, skipping nikon-like flops, they merely took 5d iv tech and reorganized it in the most daring way they possibly could allow themselves to, shipped out the thing, and waited to see what happens, what they learned from this "experiment" brought about the r5/r6, which were, are, and i suppose will be for quite a while, some of the most well rounded, well planned out bodies around, once they were released, the r5 filled the 5d series position (as the number implies), thus replacing the r, which is essentially a mirrorless 5d iv, and the r6 replaced the 6d series respectively, though far higher-end, as that is the nature of mirrorless and the current market.

that is not to say the r isn't a good camera, it is, as is the 5d iv, and especially for the bargain price they can be found at now.

i am suspecting the r1 "flagship" thing might just knock the whole range's pricing a notch down, as a 7k$+ body will need to be something out of this world to compete with the 6k$ a1 and the 5.5k$ z9, but i wouldn't count on it.

your request list sounds a bit like a r5 mk ii at sub 2k$, that's not happening any time soon if that's your concern...

i personally am hoping for something to be a "ff rp successor", and i think that's a little more likely to happen.

Trent Severn wrote:

So many new mirror-less camera body releases since the original EOS R, but I haven't heard much when (or if) a direct successor is coming.

I don't want/need a pro body, and I don't want a crop sensor. Does Canon expect us to upgrade to the R5/R6?

For the most part, I'm mostly fine with the R, but it's auto-focus system is definitely looking quite dated.

I'm basically looking for the same R body + updated focusing system (that every other newer R-body camera seems to have), and a faster sensor readout fo a more useable silent/electronic shutter (without the banding/stretching artifacts). Everything else can pretty much stay the same.

Just get an R6. I came from a 5D4 (same sensor as the R) and have used my buddies Eos-R on a few occasions before getting into the R system. In terms of resolution I can't really tell a difference. What I can tell though is better dynamic range, much better high ISO, and quantum leaps advancement in AF.

I think they indeed need ( perhaps in 1- 2 years ) a successor.

In Europe the R6 is 2300 euro for the body, the R is 1600 and RP is 1000 euro. So having a full frame range starting with a 2300 euro body will not lure in many people moving into full frame ( and being motivated to buy RF lenses ).

In my view the RP was always more a 6dii replacement.

with the wide range of less expensive FF RF lenses, i would expect also FF R bodies in the 1000 and 1500 price bracket.

Canon could even ‘reuse’ the exact R7 and R10 bodies and fit FF sensors. Drop a bit the FPS rate and you have a RP and R mark ii !

keep also in mind the typical life span of 1D, 5D, 6D and 7D is 4-6 years !

If you want a FF, 30+ Mpix, no IBIS, x0D build level, priced lower than R6, then forget about it.

The original R was meant to be a demo to showcase Canon's new RF mount and especially the insanely fast 28-70 F2, 50 & 85 F1.2 lens.  Its purpose is to stop users from switching to Sony. With a recycled sensor from the 5Dmk4, it got to the market fast enough.  It bought Canon time to develop the R5 & R6 with IBIS & a new DigicX processor chip for fast readout.  It did its job.  There is no need for Canon to do this again.

After releasing the crop body R7 & R10, there may be a RP replacement as the bottom FF.  So, you can get the more expensive but less MPixel R6, or wait for an RP replacement which may or may not come.

I believe the R did its job well, entering canon into the RF mount and a full scale commitment to mirrorless, but that does not mean it deserves or needs a replacement.

Canons lineup is getting filled out, there simply itsnt room or a need for the R replacement these days.

Youve got your high end FF R3/R5, the more economical FF R6, and the two new APSC models. The only thing missing is an entry level FF model, which will likely replace *both* the R and RP at the same time.

Canon does not need 5 tiers of FF bodies. Sticking with their high end R3/R5 (R1?), enthusiast FF R6, and an entry level FF body (TBD) is plenty.

The R was a venture into mirrorless, a sidegraded 5DIV, its replacement was the R5.

Craig Smith wrote:

Canon is starting to run out of ranking numbers.

R3, R5, R6, R7, R10

Does the R become the R8?

Does the RP becomes the R9?

In my opinion, it would be better if R7 were called as R9. R7 is in a little lower position than 7D, but a little upper position than x0D. If it had been the case, the successors to R and RP could have found their sits between R6 and R9.

yerach wrote:

Trent Severn wrote:

So many new mirror-less camera body releases since the original EOS R, but I haven't heard much when (or if) a direct successor is coming.

I don't want/need a pro body, and I don't want a crop sensor. Does Canon expect us to upgrade to the R5/R6?

For the most part, I'm mostly fine with the R, but it's auto-focus system is definitely looking quite dated.

I'm basically looking for the same R body + updated focusing system (that every other newer R-body camera seems to have), and a faster sensor readout fo a more useable silent/electronic shutter (without the banding/stretching artifacts). Everything else can pretty much stay the same.

i'm dreadfully sorry to grief you, but yes, the "successor" to the r was the r5, take it or leave it, the r was a camera that didn't hold a place in canon's lineup (thus wasn't numbered), it was a testbed for creating a proper mirrorless system, skipping nikon-like flops, they merely took 5d iv tech and reorganized it in the most daring way they possibly could allow themselves to, shipped out the thing, and waited to see what happens, what they learned from this "experiment" brought about the r5/r6, which were, are, and i suppose will be for quite a while, some of the most well rounded, well planned out bodies around, once they were released, the r5 filled the 5d series position (as the number implies), thus replacing the r, which is essentially a mirrorless 5d iv, and the r6 replaced the 6d series respectively, though far higher-end, as that is the nature of mirrorless and the current market.

that is not to say the r isn't a good camera, it is, as is the 5d iv, and especially for the bargain price they can be found at now.

i am suspecting the r1 "flagship" thing might just knock the whole range's pricing a notch down, as a 7k$+ body will need to be something out of this world to compete with the 6k$ a1 and the 5.5k$ z9, but i wouldn't count on it.

your request list sounds a bit like a r5 mk ii at sub 2k$, that's not happening any time soon if that's your concern...

i personally am hoping for something to be a "ff rp successor", and i think that's a little more likely to happen.

I agree. I see the are as a prototype test camera for the R system. I do not see Canon coming out with a direct replacement. I think the next two cameras from Canon will be an RP replacement that will probably be called the R8 or R9, and the much anticipated R1. I don't believe Canon plans a high res R5, I would guess it would have it's own number like an R4.

Pretty sure the original R will fade into history once the parts supply of 5D IV sensors is exhausted.

Leigh A. Wax wrote:

IMO it will be the R6 Mark-2

Canon used a 20Mp sensor in the R6 because that was only current tech sensor on hand at the time, to fill the gap.

I believe an R6-2 will eventually be placed as a less expensive sibling to the R5 like the 6D was to the 5D series-----Maybe a 36MP???

The introduction of the R10, & R7 indicate that Canon is working to bring the R/RF lineup to "mirror" (no pun intended) their former, highly successful DSLR lineup.

eventually a R3 MKII..., a R7 MK... R1.... I don't see any of these II series for at least two years. I also think we will see a RP replaced with an R# designation. We will also probably see an R4 eventually. I strongly doubt we will ever see a R replacement.

The line up will be

R1

R3

R5s

R5c

R5 mk II

R5 mk I

R6 mk II

R6 mk I

R7

....