850D (T8I) OR M50 Mark ii

I was told the M series is going out of production.

I am undecided and want to buy a camera and on the one hand the M50 is smaller and it has no mirror and on the other hand the 850D has a lot of lenses and there is also a LIVE mode that gives a comparison to the advantage of the mirrorless. The prices of the cameras are the same in my country. What should I take?

yonatan5522 wrote:

I was told the M series is going out of production.

By whom? That is only malicious rumors. There will still be M series for a long time to come.

It is more likely that the DSLRs are going out of production.

I am undecided and want to buy a camera and on the one hand the M50 is smaller and it has no mirror and on the other hand the 850D has a lot of lenses

The 850D can not use the excellent M lenses, while the M50 Mark II can use all EF-M, EFs and EF lenses.

and there is also a LIVE mode that gives a comparison to the advantage of the mirrorless. The prices of the cameras are the same in my country. What should I take?

Does size and weight (of body and lenses) mean anything to you ?

MyM6II wrote:

yonatan5522 wrote:

I was told the M series is going out of production.

By whom? That is only malicious rumors. There will still be M series for a long time to come.

Who said that the M series WILL be around for a long time to come ?

I think there is probably a 50:50 chance of it going either way. I really doubt that anyone on this forum can say either way with any authority/certainty.

It is more likely that the DSLRs are going out of production.

I am undecided and want to buy a camera and on the one hand the M50 is smaller and it has no mirror and on the other hand the 850D has a lot of lenses

The 850D can not use the excellent M lenses, while the M50 Mark II can use all EF-M, EFs and EF lenses.

and there is also a LIVE mode that gives a comparison to the advantage of the mirrorless. The prices of the cameras are the same in my country. What should I take?

Does size and weight (of body and lenses) mean anything to you ?

Colin

yonatan5522 wrote:

I was told the M series is going out of production.

It may or may not - people have been speculating in these forums for years about that. It seems likely to be around (as in currently sold models) at least as long as Rebel DSLRs, but I may be wrong.

I am undecided and want to buy a camera and on the one hand the M50 is smaller and it has no mirror and on the other hand the 850D has a lot of lenses and there is also a LIVE mode that gives a comparison to the advantage of the mirrorless. The prices of the cameras are the same in my country. What should I take?

It depends a lot on what you want to do with the cameras (other than the obvious - take photos).

If size & weight is important to you, then the M body is probably the way to go.

If you are planning to use it with larger / longer zoom lenses, then the 850D is probably a better option.

If you are serious about getting RIGHT into photography and value having more buttons & dials to change settings, then the DSLR may be better. Same goes for wanting functions like Bulb, multi-shot AEB (bracketing) etc - 850D might be better.

850D has more features & custom functions etc.

AF is likely to be better in general on M50 ii, especially things like eye tracking, but low light focus overall might be better on 850D. I think it is vertical lines that mirrorless cameras struggle with (I can never remember if it is vertical or horizontal).

The 850D has a significantly stronger flash - only relevant if you plan to use the built-in flash.

While the M50 ii can use all EF and EF-S lenses, an adapter is required, whereas the 850D can use a LOT more lenses natively.

Bear in mind that the 850D (being a Rebel) does NOT have AFMA, so if you get a lens that does not play well with the body (ie. it front or back focuses) it can be annoying/problematic, whereas the mirrorless cameras generally don't have this issue.

The 850D will have significantly better battery life (probably 3-4 times better), so a single spare battery would be OK for 850D, but 2-3 spare batteries would be required for M50 ii.

If you just want a camera with basic zoom for family snaps, holidays etc, then the little M50 ii + EF-M 18-150mm zoom is probably a good place to start, but if you want to get into wildlife/bird/sports photography, then the 850D might be better.

This might be useful;

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Camera-Specifications.aspx?Camera=1484&CameraComp=1523

Colin

yonatan5522 wrote:

I was told the M series is going out of production.

I am undecided and want to buy a camera and on the one hand the M50 is smaller and it has no mirror and on the other hand the 850D has a lot of lenses and there is also a LIVE mode that gives a comparison to the advantage of the mirrorless. The prices of the cameras are the same in my country. What should I take?

If you can do it, skip both of those and go straight to the flagship M6 Mark II.

Here's a good thread detailing its capabilities. (Follow the links I provide in my first post there for more samples)

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4501836

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yonatan5522 wrote:

I was told the M series is going out of production.

I am undecided and want to buy a camera and on the one hand the M50 is smaller and it has no mirror and on the other hand the 850D has a lot of lenses and there is also a LIVE mode that gives a comparison to the advantage of the mirrorless. The prices of the cameras are the same in my country. What should I take?

Between these two I would definitely get the M50.  The M50 can take al the EF and EF-s lenses with the adapter.

You might also want to skip both, and get the RP.

It's hard to give a good advice without any information about what you need it for.

Andy01 wrote:

MyM6II wrote:

yonatan5522 wrote:

I was told the M series is going out of production.

By whom? That is only malicious rumors. There will still be M series for a long time to come.

Who said that the M series WILL be around for a long time to come ?

1. Marketshare in Japan
2. Common Sense

I think there is probably a 50:50 chance of it going either way. I really doubt that anyone on this forum can say either way with any authority/certainty.

It is more likely that the DSLRs are going out of production.

I am undecided and want to buy a camera and on the one hand the M50 is smaller and it has no mirror and on the other hand the 850D has a lot of lenses

The 850D can not use the excellent M lenses, while the M50 Mark II can use all EF-M, EFs and EF lenses.

and there is also a LIVE mode that gives a comparison to the advantage of the mirrorless. The prices of the cameras are the same in my country. What should I take?

Does size and weight (of body and lenses) mean anything to you ?

Colin

Is it on sale? Get the M50ii, or else just wait until next week's announcement and see what the new R10 is all about.

The thread is being hijacked by debates/arguments none of which are helpful to the OP.

yonatan5522 wrote:

I was told the M series is going out of production.

I am undecided and want to buy a camera and on the one hand the M50 is smaller and it has no mirror and on the other hand the 850D has a lot of lenses and there is also a LIVE mode that gives a comparison to the advantage of the mirrorless. The prices of the cameras are the same in my country. What should I take?

Hi, the combined lenses and body and accessories can be expensive for both.  What do you like to shoot and what is your budget?  Without other gear, then you can be open to other systems as well.

Provide some more background, and we can better help.

Hi Yonatan, both are good ( first ) cameras and A massive improvement over iphone or similar.

Guess it also depends on which lenses you get with the deal.
I think that if I would prefer a small camera and would not be bothered to develop this into a bigger photo hobby i would go for the M.

the 850 gives the option to add very nice lenses (Canon eos EF ) .. which in 3-6 years from now you could migrate to a new RF body. (That has been my canon history .. adding / upgrading lenses .. upgrading bodies .. but not always at the same time )

You could also wait for the new R10, which will be announced before end May. ( not sure when it will actually sell )

where i live the RP with a kit zoom lens is ~ 250 or 25% higher priced than the 2 options you considered. I guess if you have the cash, would recommend that one ( it will keep also more it’s value, so not that much more ‘expensive’ over the life time .

good luck ! Photography is a nice hobby. Nice pictures of interssting events will be even better memories with nice visuals !

Lost99999 wrote:

Hi Yonatan, both are good ( first ) cameras and A massive improvement over iphone or similar.

Guess it also depends on which lenses you get with the deal.
I think that if I would prefer a small camera and would not be bothered to develop this into a bigger photo hobby i would go for the M.

the 850 gives the option to add very nice lenses (Canon eos EF ) .. which in 3-6 years from now you could migrate to a new RF body. (That has been my canon history .. adding / upgrading lenses .. upgrading bodies .. but not always at the same time )

You could also wait for the new R10, which will be announced before end May. ( not sure when it will actually sell )

where i live the RP with a kit zoom lens is ~ 250 or 25% higher priced than the 2 options you considered. I guess if you have the cash, would recommend that one ( it will keep also more it’s value, so not that much more ‘expensive’ over the life time .

good luck ! Photography is a nice hobby. Nice pictures of interssting events will be even better memories with nice visuals !

In your case, a fresh new start, I would not go with the 850D. 850D is a very very good camera, but mirrorless is the future so my advice is to buy the M50ii over the 850D. But in your case, I would choose the new R10, announcement next week. With a RF16, a RF50STM and a RF24-105STM you have everything you need to start with photography.  Don't buy to much or to expensive. If the R10 does not have an electronic viewfinder, I would chose the RP and the same lenses, as the better choice. Price of RP is very good nowadays. If this RP is your first camera, then you can study a few years with this equipment, RP is small but very good, and after a few years you can make new and better choices based on you own experience. You can sell R10 or RP second hand. (Selling 850D will be more difficult in the future, I think.)

I think the first questions that need to be asked are:

What is your budget?

What type of photography are you interested in?

What are your other requirements like small and compact? More ergonomic? Battery life etc

Too many people in these types of threads say you must get this camera and this lens without knowing what the OP's requirements are.

I do agree with the wait until the R10 is announced (potentially in the next few days) to see what that's like.

Just because these systems may be discontinued doesn't mean the second hand market is suddenly going to dry up.

I was in a similar position years ago, thinking about upgrading from compact cameras and smartphones to a “real” camera. I ended up getting a small Canon DSLR with a crop sensor (one of the 100D/Rebel/KISS series, the SL1). As an absolute novice, I was frustrated with how what I saw in the optical viewfinder did always not match what appeared later on the screen. Coming from simpler cameras, and computers, I was accustomed to WYSIWG – What You See Is What You Get. I am embarrassed to say that I stopped shooting.

In 2019 I resolved to really figure this stuff out. I did some research, discovered the exposure triangle, and started hearing about mirrorless systems, and how the electronic viewfinder is always a preview of the eventual photo. I looked around for the Canon mirrorless camera with the most controls, so that I could most easily change aperture, shutter speed, and ISO to see the effects in the EVF. At the time that was the EOS M5, purchased used. My learning curve became much easier. With the 22mm f/2 EF-M, I had a relatively cheap and compact photo-centric package that was convenient enough to take nearly everywhere. That rig could fit into any bag I owned, and the pocket of almost any jacket. With this little photo machine almost always with me, I just had a lot more time to practice. I also purchased an EF-to-EF-M lens mount adapter, which opened up a world of inexpensive used EF and EF-S lenses from Canon’s mature DSLR line. That allowed me to experiment with focal lengths, and I discovered that I am mostly into longer ones. The EF-S 50-250mm is really a gem, and so much value for money. (Those DSLR lenses would have been even easier to mount onto the SL1 years ago, but… no WYSIWYG. So I never even got there.)

Since all that ancient history, Canon has leaned into mirrorless a lot more, so I’m not sure I would recommend the M5 as a first choice. The M50 series has fewer controls, but is more capable for things like 4K video, if you think you might head down that route in the future. But I do think mirrorless cameras are easier to learn than their DSLR equivalents. It’s not a huge gap, but if you want to just get into shooting right away, it’s a gap you wouldn’t have to make up.

And yes, like others have suggested, given the impending announcements from Canon, I would definitely wait a couple of days more before buying anything!