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slow_cooker New Member • Posts: 7
The Olympus Pen EP-7 is pretty good
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I've recently bought a Pen EP-7 and been playing with it. In-depth reviews of this camera were quite rare when I was doing my research, probably because it's not released in the States. I think it's quite unfair that many people seemed to have problems with it even when they haven't even tried it. So I guess I write a review here to give some perspective on the E-P7.

Let me talk a bit about my reason for buying the E-P7. I mainly do street photography as a hobby, and I shot most things with an EM1 II and a Ricoh GR III for a while. The EM1 is a tad big for street for a small woman like me. The Ricoh is fantastic but I miss the ability to change lenses. I have moved to Chicago from a much safer and more laid-back city, and I've suffered much exhaustion from work, so I started looking for a compact MFT camera, like a Ricoh with interchangeable lenses that allows me to relax and snap. My criteria are: (1) small - I don't want anything too noticeable (so Pen F is out of the question for being too gorgeous); (2) good IBIS - my hands shake a lot (so Panasonic cameras are out of the question too); (3) not too bad resolution - I prefer the 2x3 aspect to the native 3x4 so I crop often. Also I want to be able to crop when I'm too tired to cross the street and go another 3 blocks to get a photo of this cool-looking dude who probably would punch me or wouldn't be there anymore by the time I get close enough.

In short, I want a something laid-back, capable with minimal fuss. Those criteria left me with the EM10's and the Pens. I think the newer models are a bit expensive and don't really satisfy all my preferences so I waited for deals. The Pen PLs are small but a bit pricey for what they are. I kept looking at the EM10s and wished they were a bit smaller, like I can do with an EM10 IV minus the evf haha. Then boom, I came across the E-P7 for $600. Wish granted

It's a handsome little camera. In the places I usually go to, gorgeous things like the Pen-F do more harm then good to both photo quality and my well being. But the E-P7 is just nice looking without being too flashy. It feels solid and has a good grip. No the grip is not metal, but I don't want my fingers to fall off holding a camera in the Chicago winter anyway. The dials make sense. I read in some reviews that they're a bit cluttered and the on/off switch can be accidentally turned, but that's not the case for me (may be because I don't have large hands?). I can operate most things with one hand as long as I don't need to fuss with the touch screen.

I don't find the lack of evf/ovf a big problem. I've been doing fine with the Ricoh. Even with the EM1 I don't use the evf that often. Focusing with the touch screen is accurate and convenient . I agree it's a bit tough in many situation and many people are bitter at Olympus for it, but I imagine many are fine with it. I travel alone a lot and got picked on quite a few times. In a lot of places it's just not safe to stick my face into a camera and forget about what can come from behind me.

Image quality is great, as expected from this sensor. I like the jpegs but I shoot raw as a habit so I can't comment much on jpeg quality. IBIS works very well. Yesterday I was holding a big Amazon package on the way home from the locker with one hand and snapping whatever I see with the 45mm f1.8 in the other hand, and photos are sharp (although it was in good light and the shutter speed was fast anyway). I also used it indoor, forgot to raise ISO as I always do, and still got good shots at low shutter speed. S-AF is fast and reliable. I tried shooting a pigeon with C-AF the other day. It was far worse than my EM1 so I guess I won't bother with C-AF, although some people say it work for limited purpose. Face detection works great. It can recognize faces in profile.

The more advanced shooting features like bracketing and HDR are grouped in the AP mode which is quite neat. The color/monochrome switch is something I didn't know I want in this life time. Customizability is limited. You can only customize the video button and the AEL/AFL button. For my purpose it's enough. I set the video button to focus peaking and the AEL/AFL to manual focus.

In general I think the E-P7 is awesome. It's pretty, small, simple, and capable. When it was first released the price looked ridiculous next to the EM10 IV, but now I think they're about the same price already. With a small lens it fits in my winter coat pocket. It wouldn't fit in my hoodie pocket but I always have at least a small waist bag for little woman things that the E-P7 can easily snug in. It allows me to relax and have fun instead of giving too much thought about settings and features. Bright sunlight without evf? It's fine I'll just shoot blind and get surprised by the photo later. I'd be stoked if Olympus can stick a viewfinder in this camera, but this is a compromise I'm happy to make. To be honest I can compromise even more to bring it to the size of the Panasonic GM5, but IBIS is something I can't exist without, so the E-P7 is really the sweet spot for me.

Here are some sample photos. I don't pixel peep so forgive me if I don't do this camera justice. I also reduced the sharpness in post.

I shot this blind. It was very bright and the sun was glaring into my face.

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Yes it is, here's my original impressions when I got it
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Yes it is! Here's my original impressions when I got it

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65316154

Like you I also use it for street life but here I covered a drag show event

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65655472

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65704446

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65797070

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66072863

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66127129

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65470918

My only desire for improvements here is the shutter would have been nicer it was quieter (rolling shutter not so great in electronic only)- the EM10MarkIV being a cheap model surprised me in that it's reasonably quiet.

I wish also the next model has a lot of the OM1 tech including the sensor and hand held high res/tripod high res.

EVF would be nice, but either do a PenF Mark II proper or do it this size, remove the flash.

I would only say that at this point I would have been ok with the EM10MarkIV I think simply because it's also small, same ibis, same sensor, same AF and has an EVF while the black model is still more discrete. But EP7 is what I am using the most at the moment, other than Ricoh / Fuji X100V.

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OP slow_cooker New Member • Posts: 7
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@Raist3d: Yes I'm aware of your reviews. They helped me a lot when I was doing research. Thank you so much!

I agree that the EM10 IV is equally great, if not better because of the evf. I would have got it if I didn't come across this E-P7 for basically the same price. It's too pretty so I fell for it haha. Also I'm a small person. My EM1 looks gigantic on me (at least that's how I view myself), so when I downsized I went all the way through. I guess my point is that the E-P7 deserves much better recognition and more people should give it a try.

I agree on the shutter lol. It's so loud. I guess they want it that way? It may sound cool to some people

Yes I hope the OM-1 tech trickles down to the more compact cameras as well. I think live ND would be really nice to have, along with handheld high res.

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kcdogger Veteran Member • Posts: 4,356
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Very nice pictures.  Better composed then many street picts.. Chicago, I'm sorry.

John

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slow_cooker wrote:

@Raist3d: Yes I'm aware of your reviews. They helped me a lot when I was doing research. Thank you so much!

Cool!

I agree that the EM10 IV is equally great, if not better because of the evf. I would have got it if I didn't come across this E-P7 for basically the same price. It's too pretty so I fell for it haha.

The win for the EP7 over EM10 IV is the fact that it's still smaller, looks nice (but as you said maybe not as jump at you nice as PenF). I still wish they had a black body model.

It also has the PenF jpeg profiles with an updated better interface!

Also the RAW converter is full featured unlike the EM10MarkIV but that would be a firmware fix away for the EM10MarkIV.  You can only convert like to current settings like EPL9/EPL10 line with the EM10.

Also I'm a small person. My EM1 looks gigantic on me (at least that's how I view myself), so when I downsized I went all the way through. I guess my point is that the E-P7 deserves much better recognition and more people should give it a try.

I agree. I like the smaller size. It thought that model would be out in USA already but oh well. I got it from Amazon Japan.

I also wish they had called it EPL11. Seems to have much more in common with EPL9/10 than EP5.

I agree on the shutter lol. It's so loud. I guess they want it that way? It may sound cool to some people

IT is loud though it's not downright clackity horrible. The EM10MarkIV surprised me in that it's fairly dampened at the class of camera it is.

Yes I hope the OM-1 tech trickles down to the more compact cameras as well. I think live ND would be really nice to have, along with handheld high res.

I think they need to. This is my counter argument "but in MFT we do have small camera options"- not really. They have been using that 16MP sensor for way too long, or came 2 years late (Em5.3).  They need to cram as much as they can with whatever heat/power dissipation, space, battery life constraints allow.  The same sensor I don't see why not.

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OP slow_cooker New Member • Posts: 7
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kcdogger wrote:

Very nice pictures. Better composed then many street picts.. Chicago, I'm sorry.

John

Thanks, John! To be honest I find Chicago much more fun and interesting than my old city, but yeah people are also more alert and aggressive. No place is perfect haha

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OP slow_cooker New Member • Posts: 7
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I got mine from the Kamerastore website. They're based in Finland I believe. They have very good customer service. Did you have to pay any duty for the Amazon Japan purchase?

I haven't used any other pens actually so I can't say anything on how the E-P7 compares. Good to know! And yes I wished the E-P7 came in black. No idea why they didn't do that. It was released in a very different market from here so... who knows?:-|

Completely agree with you on the sensor. They kept the em10 and pen lines from 20MP for too long. Even E-PL10 only has 16MP now. I'm not someone who chases after megapixels but c'mon they could have done much better.

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slow_cooker wrote:

I got mine from the Kamerastore website. They're based in Finland I believe. They have very good customer service. Did you have to pay any duty for the Amazon Japan purchase?

Nope.  I guess the value doesn't cross into that, not sure.  I think I had to pay the regular tax.

I haven't used any other pens actually so I can't say anything on how the E-P7 compares. Good to know! And yes I wished the E-P7 came in black. No idea why they didn't do that. It was released in a very different market from here so... who knows?:-|

I forgot one more difference between EM10MKIV and EP7 - the Em10MKIV has one more customizable button, but the EP7 has "bulb mode" like the Em5.3 on the dial. This allows to do live composite, bulb, etc in an easy to find dial mode and not have to dig in shutter priority backwards to very long exposures or whatever the way was for some other Olympus cameras.

Completely agree with you on the sensor. They kept the em10 and pen lines from 20MP for too long. Even E-PL10 only has 16MP now. I'm not someone who chases after megapixels but c'mon they could have done much better.

Yup. And it's not just megapixels but the fact the sensor has a notch better image quality.  That said I was surprised how well Olympus had characterized the range of the 16 MP sensor in the EPL9. But man, I really wanted a no AA filter.

I just hope that the EM10MKV or EP7 next doesn't just have the EM5.3 sensor but the OM1 sensor.

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grcolts Veteran Member • Posts: 3,914
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The EPL-7 was my first m4/3rds camera. I bought it for taking bicycling with me because of its smaller size.  It worked out very well for that purpose. Since then it has been used a lot for those times I do not want a larger body. I still have and use the EPL-7 today.

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Pen EP-7 is the new Pen-F mini
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Small and elegant 

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Hakana Forum Member • Posts: 98
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I have and like this one as well. But thinking about small primes for it.

I have 14-42ez, om20mm and o45 1.8.

I would like something small bright and wide. O12mm or the new Leica 9mm. And also lumix 20mm for the size in my working bag, but then i would have 2x20mm.

BIG problems 😀

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GutiWong Regular Member • Posts: 206
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Hakana wrote:

I have and like this one as well. But thinking about small primes for it.

I have 14-42ez, om20mm and o45 1.8.

I would like something small bright and wide. O12mm or the new Leica 9mm. And also lumix 20mm for the size in my working bag, but then i would have 2x20mm.

BIG problems 😀

I would suggest Pana 15mm. Looks better than Oly 17mm 1.8.

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uniball Veteran Member • Posts: 3,075
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I just spent $650 with Amazon Japan. Received it last night.
Thanks to this thread.
I also needed IBIS. Probably will edge out my default GM1. First Oly.

So far, I have a grin on my face.

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uniball wrote:

I just spent $650 with Amazon Japan. Received it last night.
Thanks to this thread.
I also needed IBIS. Probably will edge out my default GM1. First Oly.

So far, I have a grin on my face.

I'd already moved on from GM1 to GF7 and GX800 - but, for the P7's advantages at minimal extra weight and size, am now rarely using either of those!

With so many features in common, the P7 pairs very nicely with the E-M10 MkIV - and I really can't see my GX80 and GX9 getting much use in future?

Indeed, seeing how "used" stocks at most dealers are declining in the face of summer demand, time for a clear out - though I'll probably keep the old GX7, partly because it's almost worthless, but also because it's the ideal fit for my hands!

Peter

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Love my E-P7, wouldn't trade it for the Pen F I use to have.  No I didn't sell it directly for the E-P7, I bought it instead of buying another Pen F When I took a Fuji X100v detour.

The E-P7 is more responsive, I prefer the tilt screen, and the interface for the advance features that I actually use are easier to use.

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alan brown Contributing Member • Posts: 805
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I would have jumped on this camera but for two reasons:  not available in black and the inability to use my vf-4 on it.  Doesn't make sense for me then.  But nice camera for many.

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alan brown wrote:

I would have jumped on this camera but for two reasons: not available in black and the inability to use my vf-4 on it. Doesn't make sense for me then. But nice camera for many.

It's refreshing to read someone that sees the camera is not for them but understands may work for others

The EP7 is the smallest m43rds camera with 5-axis IBIS.

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Raist3d wrote:

alan brown wrote:

I would have jumped on this camera but for two reasons: not available in black and the inability to use my vf-4 on it. Doesn't make sense for me then. But nice camera for many.

It's refreshing to read someone that sees the camera is not for them but understands may work for others

The EP7 is the smallest m43rds camera with 5-axis IBIS.

.... and wonderfully lightweight!

Peter

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GutiWong Regular Member • Posts: 206
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Isola Verde wrote:

uniball wrote:

I just spent $650 with Amazon Japan. Received it last night.
Thanks to this thread.
I also needed IBIS. Probably will edge out my default GM1. First Oly.

So far, I have a grin on my face.

I'd already moved on from GM1 to GF7 and GX800 - but, for the P7's advantages at minimal extra weight and size, am now rarely using either of those!

With so many features in common, the P7 pairs very nicely with the E-M10 MkIV - and I really can't see my GX80 and GX9 getting much use in future?

Indeed, seeing how "used" stocks at most dealers are declining in the face of summer demand, time for a clear out - though I'll probably keep the old GX7, partly because it's almost worthless, but also because it's the ideal fit for my hands!

Peter

I am same as you.

From GM1 to GX9 to E-P7.

It pair well with my E-M5 iii. I could use them spontaneously  without “adjusting” my mind. 
Although missing a EVF is definitely affecting daily use, I  think E-P7 is the minimal size and weight if you want a ILC camera with IBIS. So, I have no regret buying this.

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GutiWong Regular Member • Posts: 206
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Raist3d wrote:

alan brown wrote:

I would have jumped on this camera but for two reasons: not available in black and the inability to use my vf-4 on it. Doesn't make sense for me then. But nice camera for many.

It's refreshing to read someone that sees the camera is not for them but understands may work for others

The EP7 is the smallest m43rds camera with 5-axis IBIS.

It’s sad to see that many of the user will give up buying E-P7 because of no EVF. 
I admit that without EVF will affect the use in some occasion (strong sunshine). But I think it’s a sacrifice that worth for buying a compact, beautiful, easy to use camera.

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