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OP Larry Rexley Senior Member • Posts: 1,238
Re: Deal's on again October 2022

charisgratia wrote:

Larry Rexley wrote:

charisgratia wrote:

Max5150 wrote:

Well that's a bummer. I was gonna get that tonight. Oh well. Guess I'll wait then.

According to Canon Rumors, the M200 is now discontinued by Canon. So, it's likely you'll see it on sale again very soon.

Canon has discontinued another EOS M camera

Thanks for sharing that tidbit.

Discontinuing the M bodies could go either way. If the 'R' series replacements aren't priced attractively enough, people might realize M was a good value for the money, and demand and pricing may not fall for old stock or secondhand M bodies.

Good point!

FWIW, the M200 sale is back on for now:

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-eos-m200-ef-m-15-45mm-f-3-5-6-3-is-stm-kit-black

Game on!   Free sling backpack too this time around. I have 2 of them from my M200 purchases. Kind of cool although I haven't used them yet.

 Larry Rexley's gear list:Larry Rexley's gear list
Canon EOS M6 II Canon EOS M200 Canon EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM Canon EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM +21 more
nnowak Veteran Member • Posts: 9,074
Re: Deal's on again October 2022

Larry Rexley wrote:

charisgratia wrote:

Max5150 wrote:

Well that's a bummer. I was gonna get that tonight. Oh well. Guess I'll wait then.

According to Canon Rumors, the M200 is now discontinued by Canon. So, it's likely you'll see it on sale again very soon.

Canon has discontinued another EOS M camera

Thanks for sharing that tidbit.

Discontinuing the M bodies could go either way. If the 'R' series replacements aren't priced attractively enough, people might realize M was a good value for the money, and demand and pricing may not fall for old stock or secondhand M bodies.

Not likely.  There certainly was not a flood of new M system purchases in the early days of the RF system, and current RF options are getting smaller and cheaper than what was available back then.  The global pandemic has had a far bigger impact on used M prices (actually prices for all used items) than anything to do with the RF mount.

OP Larry Rexley Senior Member • Posts: 1,238
M200 kit refurbished black or white - $359 Nov 25
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The M200 refurbished kits with the EF-M 15-45 lens have gone on discount again as of Black Friday Nov 25, 2022, black and white are in stock:

Black: https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-eos-m200-ef-m-15-45mm-f-3-5-6-3-is-stm-kit-black

White: https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-eos-m200-ef-m-15-45mm-f-3-5-6-3-is-stm-kit-white

The EF-M 22mm f2 lenses black & silver are still on sale refurbished for $139.99:

Black: https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-ef-m-22mm-f-2-stm-lens

Silver: https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-ef-m-22mm-f-2-stm-silver

Also still on sale new, black or silver, for $179,99:

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/ef-m-22mm-f-2-stm?color=Black&type=New

For Black Friday the 'new' M6ii kits with EF-M 15-45 & EVF are on sale $999 ($100 off) at amazon & B&H Photo.

The new M6ii kit with the EF-M 18-150 is on sale at Amazon.com for $1147.99, which is a good deal at $200 off for a kit with the very versatile super-zoom and the EVF:

https://www.amazon.com/Canon-Mark-Black-15-45mm-3-5-6-3/dp/B07WJYY49Q/ref=sr_1_1?crid=34GNDIW5FLVLS

At Canon, B&H photo, and or Adorama M50ii content creator kits (camera + lens & stereo mike + grip w/remote) are $100 off at $799, and M200 content creator kits (camera + lens + grip w/remote) are $150 off at $499. Various other sales for other kit/combos.

Sadly the M6ii and M50ii refurb cameras are not on fire sale as they were a few weeks ago.

 Larry Rexley's gear list:Larry Rexley's gear list
Canon EOS M6 II Canon EOS M200 Canon EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM Canon EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM +21 more
Fjzk Regular Member • Posts: 220
Re: M200 kit refurbished black or white - $359 Nov 25
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Indeed, I made a decision to buy the M6II and was waiting for a special Black Friday deal which didn’t materialize…so today I decided to buy it anyways at full refurb price ($679), which is still a good deal I think, before it’s too late…whatever Canon does to the RF apsc line-up, no way I would re-purchase the same lenses again any time soon (I have the 11-22, 22, 15-45, 28 and 18-150). So now with the M50 e M6II I should be in good shape for a long time until it’s time to move on. And I will experience for the first time having a ‘flagship’ camera, which may never happen with the R mount 😁

 Fjzk's gear list:Fjzk's gear list
Canon EOS M50 Canon EOS RP Canon EOS M6 II Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM Canon EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM +8 more
Carl LaFong Forum Member • Posts: 94
Re: M200 kit refurbished black or white - $359 Nov 25
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Since I have decided to stay with M, what I am wrestling with right now is whether to get an M200 for its compact size, or put that money towards a 2nd M6 II body.  Both are still available, although no screaming deals on either.

Besides my M6 II body, I also have an M5 which I got for a super discount a year ago.  I like it for its built-in EVF, but what I really don’t like is that it works differently from the M6 II.  When I switch between bodies, I find the differences in operation and menus to be unsatisfactory.  Thus I am more inclined to put my $$$ towards the 2nd M6 II body than the M200, but still see the appeal of each.

I already have more gear than time and ability, so maybe this whole thing is a moot point.

 Carl LaFong's gear list:Carl LaFong's gear list
Canon EOS M5 Canon EOS M6 II Canon EOS M200 Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM Canon EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM +10 more
OP Larry Rexley Senior Member • Posts: 1,238
Re: M200 kit refurbished black or white - $359 Nov 25
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Carl LaFong wrote:

Since I have decided to stay with M, what I am wrestling with right now is whether to get an M200 for its compact size, or put that money towards a 2nd M6 II body. Both are still available, although no screaming deals on either.

Besides my M6 II body, I also have an M5 which I got for a super discount a year ago. I like it for its built-in EVF, but what I really don’t like is that it works differently from the M6 II. When I switch between bodies, I find the differences in operation and menus to be unsatisfactory. Thus I am more inclined to put my $$$ towards the 2nd M6 II body than the M200, but still see the appeal of each.

I already have more gear than time and ability, so maybe this whole thing is a moot point.

Tough decision... I went through similar thought process.

In some ways it depends on your shooting style and your use for a second body. if it is purely for 'backup' or to take out separately some days with one or 2 lenses for family events or times when you're not doing 'serious' photography, the M200 is a fun, very pocketable camera to have which gives great images.

If, however, it really will function as a 'second body' for shoots... meaning you mount 2 lenses on two cameras and shoot with both, then you'd be much happier with a second m6ii and a second EVF (if you usually shoot with the EVF).

I tried using an M50ii as a second body with the M6ii and the differences between the cameras ended up driving me crazy and just didn't work. I just could not get used to that rear dial 'not being a dial' because normally I use it so much when shooting with the EVF. I ended up selling the M50ii and getting a refurb black M6ii with another EVF to go along with the silver M6ii. And I'm a very happy camper now, shooting with 2 M6ii's is seamless... I have them set up with identical custom configurations and customizations.

Shooting with two bodies really changed how I shoot... I found it very freeing, not having to constantly change lenses to get wide and tele shots in rapid sequence. I shoot moving trains, and sunsets, and like to capture the entire sky with all the colors --- but also extreme close-ups of the Sun with boats, etc.... and being near the ocean you don't want to be changing lenses with sand and salt blowing around! For shooting trains I have on one camera the 11-22, the other has the EF-S 55-250 with sometimes a 1.5x teleconverter... so I have a huge range of focal lengths available almost instantly with great sharpness across the entire range, and no shots are missed due to lens changes!

That being said, interestingly I find shooting with an M6ii and a second body being the M200, I don't have the same problem I had trying to use the M50ii as the second body. The reason is that the M200 has no EVF, so I'm forced to hold and use it differently than the M6ii with the EVF. I don't find this confusing for some reason. To me the m50ii in use with the EVF feels very similar to the M6ii.... except... it's not, and doesn't have all the same controls or options.

Using the M200 it's easier to change the settings using the rear touch-screen than to use manual controls --- and the M200 has only one dial instead of the 3 the M6ii has. To change settings you just touch the setting you want to change on the rear screen (shutter speed, aperture, ISO) then spin the one dial --- it's pretty fast, and I don't find myself missing 3 dials. So much so that if I'm shooting with the M6ii using the rear screen only --- I now use the touch screen and not the 3 dials, too!

For me, using the M200's rear screen taught me just how well thought out Canon's 'touch screen' interface and touch screen control access really is... almost any setting you want to change is no more than just few quick taps away using the 'Quick Menu.'

I see from your equipment list that you're heavily invested in native EF-M mount lenses --- with 6 Canon EF-M lenses plus 3 third party lenses, and more on your wish list! This means you're quite dependent on the body you own not 'failing' and leaving you with a large collection of lenses and no good body to mount them on. For that case I would strongly consider going with a second M6ii body, as insurance in case in years to come the first M6ii body fails. That's what I've done.

You might sell/swap the older, slower-focusing M5 for a second M6ii, then even add the fast-focusing, better low-light M200 for extra insurance --- and for pocketable 'fun' shooting in different situations than you'd bring an M6ii.

I've backed up my 2 M6iis with 2 M200s (one black and one white) --- the white M200 I had converted to full-spectrum (infrared) so it really is a special-purpose camera, not part of the normal 'setup.' On days when I know I'll shoot a lot of infrared, sometimes I just take both M200s and a few lenses along, plus a lot of IR filters.

Interestingly I find that I take the black M200 with me on some days as the second body, with an M6ii, due to its smaller size and weight --- and sometimes when i go out for 'fun' light shooting I'll take just the black M200 with one lens (often the 22mm f2). The M200/22mm combo can vanish into many pockets and people have no idea you even have a camera with you, until it comes out!

For most purposes the results you get from the M200 (or M50ii) are almost indistinguishable from M6ii images. Where it starts to make a difference is in very low light, or if you need to crop your images a lot (or do extensive perspective correction), or high frame rates (> 5 fps), or 4k video (the M200 doesn't support 30 fps at 4k, and does not use dual-pixel AF for 4k video).

 Larry Rexley's gear list:Larry Rexley's gear list
Canon EOS M6 II Canon EOS M200 Canon EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM Canon EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM +21 more
Fjzk Regular Member • Posts: 220
Re: M200 kit refurbished black or white - $359 Nov 25
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Carl LaFong wrote:

Since I have decided to stay with M, what I am wrestling with right now is whether to get an M200 for its compact size, or put that money towards a 2nd M6 II body. Both are still available, although no screaming deals on either.

Besides my M6 II body, I also have an M5 which I got for a super discount a year ago. I like it for its built-in EVF, but what I really don’t like is that it works differently from the M6 II. When I switch between bodies, I find the differences in operation and menus to be unsatisfactory. Thus I am more inclined to put my $$$ towards the 2nd M6 II body than the M200, but still see the appeal of each.

I already have more gear than time and ability, so maybe this whole thing is a moot point.

This is a tough call, given the price gap. I went for the M6II instead of the M200 since I already have a M50. The M200 would only add a little more portability, while the M6 brings many features I miss today (electronic shutter, 3 dials, better DR and high ISO performance and ability to crop more aggressively). And If I ever get into sports or birding I would now have a powerful tool coupled with EF zooms like the 100-400 by Canon or Sigma/Tamron.

I will now leave my RP at home on longer hikes / landscape photography trips and just bring the 2 Ms, the M6II with the 11-22 and the M50 with the 18-150, clipped to my belt and backpack. These 2 kits combined will likely weight about the same as my RP with the 24-105L and will give me an incredible focal length range (17.6 to 240mm).

 Fjzk's gear list:Fjzk's gear list
Canon EOS M50 Canon EOS RP Canon EOS M6 II Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM Canon EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM +8 more
Carl LaFong Forum Member • Posts: 94
Re: M200 kit refurbished black or white - $359 Nov 25

Larry Rexley wrote:

Carl LaFong wrote:

Since I have decided to stay with M, what I am wrestling with right now is whether to get an M200 for its compact size, or put that money towards a 2nd M6 II body. Both are still available, although no screaming deals on either.

Besides my M6 II body, I also have an M5 which I got for a super discount a year ago. I like it for its built-in EVF, but what I really don’t like is that it works differently from the M6 II. When I switch between bodies, I find the differences in operation and menus to be unsatisfactory. Thus I am more inclined to put my $$$ towards the 2nd M6 II body than the M200, but still see the appeal of each.

I already have more gear than time and ability, so maybe this whole thing is a moot point.

Tough decision... I went through similar thought process.

Which is one reason why I found your well-reasoned opinion below to be very useful.

In some ways it depends on your shooting style and your use for a second body. if it is purely for 'backup' or to take out separately some days with one or 2 lenses for family events or times when you're not doing 'serious' photography, the M200 is a fun, very pocketable camera to have which gives great images.

That’s what I use my M5 for, even if not as pocketable as the M200.  It seems somewhat less delicate than the M6 II because of its built-in EVF.  And because it cost me a lot less, I’m less worried about damaging it.

If, however, it really will function as a 'second body' for shoots... meaning you mount 2 lenses on two cameras and shoot with both, then you'd be much happier with a second m6ii and a second EVF (if you usually shoot with the EVF).

I actually do do this, because I hate changing lenses when I am outside.  So your conclusion is what I think too, especially given your next paragraphs.

I tried using an M50ii as a second body with the M6ii and the differences between the cameras ended up driving me crazy and just didn't work. I just could not get used to that rear dial 'not being a dial' because normally I use it so much when shooting with the EVF.

Exactly my experience with my M5.

I ended up selling the M50ii and getting a refurb black M6ii with another EVF to go along with the silver M6ii. And I'm a very happy camper now, shooting with 2 M6ii's is seamless... I have them set up with identical custom configurations and customizations.

Shooting with two bodies really changed how I shoot... I found it very freeing, not having to constantly change lenses to get wide and tele shots in rapid sequence. I shoot moving trains, and sunsets, and like to capture the entire sky with all the colors --- but also extreme close-ups of the Sun with boats, etc.... and being near the ocean you don't want to be changing lenses with sand and salt blowing around! For shooting trains I have on one camera the 11-22, the other has the EF-S 55-250 with sometimes a 1.5x teleconverter... so I have a huge range of focal lengths available almost instantly with great sharpness across the entire range, and no shots are missed due to lens changes!

That being said, interestingly I find shooting with an M6ii and a second body being the M200, I don't have the same problem I had trying to use the M50ii as the second body. The reason is that the M200 has no EVF, so I'm forced to hold and use it differently than the M6ii with the EVF. I don't find this confusing for some reason. To me the m50ii in use with the EVF feels very similar to the M6ii.... except... it's not, and doesn't have all the same controls or options.

Using the M200 it's easier to change the settings using the rear touch-screen than to use manual controls --- and the M200 has only one dial instead of the 3 the M6ii has. To change settings you just touch the setting you want to change on the rear screen (shutter speed, aperture, ISO) then spin the one dial --- it's pretty fast, and I don't find myself missing 3 dials. So much so that if I'm shooting with the M6ii using the rear screen only --- I now use the touch screen and not the 3 dials, too!

For me, using the M200's rear screen taught me just how well thought out Canon's 'touch screen' interface and touch screen control access really is... almost any setting you want to change is no more than just few quick taps away using the 'Quick Menu.'

I see from your equipment list that you're heavily invested in native EF-M mount lenses --- with 6 Canon EF-M lenses plus 3 third party lenses, and more on your wish list! This means you're quite dependent on the body you own not 'failing' and leaving you with a large collection of lenses and no good body to mount them on. For that case I would strongly consider going with a second M6ii body, as insurance in case in years to come the first M6ii body fails. That's what I've done.

This is the killer argument for me.  I had originally thought that the M5 would be my back-up body, but I’ve concluded that if my M6 II “went away,” I could not fall back on just the M5.  So - I’m really going to think hard about this, while M6 II bodies are still available new (which I prefer).

Much as I like acquiring new gear, my enthusiasm for spending my money on “another” M6 II is low.  But while using the money on something new is the direction indicated by emotion, getting the 2nd M6 II is the direction indicated by logic and common sense.

You might sell/swap the older, slower-focusing M5 for a second M6ii, then even add the fast-focusing, better low-light M200 for extra insurance --- and for pocketable 'fun' shooting in different situations than you'd bring an M6ii.

I've backed up my 2 M6iis with 2 M200s (one black and one white) --- the white M200 I had converted to full-spectrum (infrared) so it really is a special-purpose camera, not part of the normal 'setup.' On days when I know I'll shoot a lot of infrared, sometimes I just take both M200s and a few lenses along, plus a lot of IR filters.

Interestingly I find that I take the black M200 with me on some days as the second body, with an M6ii, due to its smaller size and weight --- and sometimes when i go out for 'fun' light shooting I'll take just the black M200 with one lens (often the 22mm f2). The M200/22mm combo can vanish into many pockets and people have no idea you even have a camera with you, until it comes out!

For most purposes the results you get from the M200 (or M50ii) are almost indistinguishable from M6ii images. Where it starts to make a difference is in very low light, or if you need to crop your images a lot (or do extensive perspective correction), or high frame rates (> 5 fps), or 4k video (the M200 doesn't support 30 fps at 4k, and does not use dual-pixel AF for 4k video).

Stay tuned.

I apologize for turning your thread into a personal advice column for my issues, but I really appreciate the perspective you have given me.

 Carl LaFong's gear list:Carl LaFong's gear list
Canon EOS M5 Canon EOS M6 II Canon EOS M200 Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM Canon EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM +10 more
OP Larry Rexley Senior Member • Posts: 1,238
Re: M200 kit refurbished black or white - $359 Nov 25
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Carl LaFong wrote:

Larry Rexley wrote:

Carl LaFong wrote:

Since I have decided to stay with M, what I am wrestling with right now is whether to get an M200 for its compact size, or put that money towards a 2nd M6 II body. Both are still available, although no screaming deals on either.

Besides my M6 II body, I also have an M5 which I got for a super discount a year ago. I like it for its built-in EVF, but what I really don’t like is that it works differently from the M6 II. When I switch between bodies, I find the differences in operation and menus to be unsatisfactory. Thus I am more inclined to put my $$$ towards the 2nd M6 II body than the M200, but still see the appeal of each.

I already have more gear than time and ability, so maybe this whole thing is a moot point.

Tough decision... I went through similar thought process.

Which is one reason why I found your well-reasoned opinion below to be very useful.

In some ways it depends on your shooting style and your use for a second body. if it is purely for 'backup' or to take out separately some days with one or 2 lenses for family events or times when you're not doing 'serious' photography, the M200 is a fun, very pocketable camera to have which gives great images.

That’s what I use my M5 for, even if not as pocketable as the M200. It seems somewhat less delicate than the M6 II because of its built-in EVF. And because it cost me a lot less, I’m less worried about damaging it.

Fair enough. I really enjoyed the Canon M6 for a few months before moving on to the M6ii. I miss the dedicated exposure compensation dial the M6i had--- that hit the sweet spot in how I use exposure comp and I wish that had carried over to the M6ii. With the m6ii somehow the doggone exp comp setting keeps getting changed somehow, probably my shirt hitting the screen or rocker buttons or something. I do use it a lot and want to keep in on one of the rocker buttons.

After upgrading to the M6ii, for a while I thought I'd made a pretty bit step up to a 'better camera'.  While the m6ii does have its additional features and definitely focuses better in very low light, and in 2-3 EV lower light overall, after shooting with the M6ii for two years now I realize that most of the time you don't really use the extra resolution, and fewer than half of the native lenses I own will truly resolve the full 32 MP res across at least half the image.  As I've mentioned, for so much shooting you get nearly the same results from the 24 MP M200 as the m6ii - which would hold true for the m6/m5 generation.

If, however, it really will function as a 'second body' for shoots... meaning you mount 2 lenses on two cameras and shoot with both, then you'd be much happier with a second m6ii and a second EVF (if you usually shoot with the EVF).

I actually do do this, because I hate changing lenses when I am outside. So your conclusion is what I think too, especially given your next paragraphs.

I tried using an M50ii as a second body with the M6ii and the differences between the cameras ended up driving me crazy and just didn't work. I just could not get used to that rear dial 'not being a dial' because normally I use it so much when shooting with the EVF.

Exactly my experience with my M5.

I ended up selling the M50ii and getting a refurb black M6ii with another EVF to go along with the silver M6ii. And I'm a very happy camper now, shooting with 2 M6ii's is seamless... I have them set up with identical custom configurations and customizations.

Shooting with two bodies really changed how I shoot... I found it very freeing, not having to constantly change lenses to get wide and tele shots in rapid sequence. I shoot moving trains, and sunsets, and like to capture the entire sky with all the colors --- but also extreme close-ups of the Sun with boats, etc.... and being near the ocean you don't want to be changing lenses with sand and salt blowing around! For shooting trains I have on one camera the 11-22, the other has the EF-S 55-250 with sometimes a 1.5x teleconverter... so I have a huge range of focal lengths available almost instantly with great sharpness across the entire range, and no shots are missed due to lens changes!

That being said, interestingly I find shooting with an M6ii and a second body being the M200, I don't have the same problem I had trying to use the M50ii as the second body. The reason is that the M200 has no EVF, so I'm forced to hold and use it differently than the M6ii with the EVF. I don't find this confusing for some reason. To me the m50ii in use with the EVF feels very similar to the M6ii.... except... it's not, and doesn't have all the same controls or options.

Using the M200 it's easier to change the settings using the rear touch-screen than to use manual controls --- and the M200 has only one dial instead of the 3 the M6ii has. To change settings you just touch the setting you want to change on the rear screen (shutter speed, aperture, ISO) then spin the one dial --- it's pretty fast, and I don't find myself missing 3 dials. So much so that if I'm shooting with the M6ii using the rear screen only --- I now use the touch screen and not the 3 dials, too!

For me, using the M200's rear screen taught me just how well thought out Canon's 'touch screen' interface and touch screen control access really is... almost any setting you want to change is no more than just few quick taps away using the 'Quick Menu.'

I see from your equipment list that you're heavily invested in native EF-M mount lenses --- with 6 Canon EF-M lenses plus 3 third party lenses, and more on your wish list! This means you're quite dependent on the body you own not 'failing' and leaving you with a large collection of lenses and no good body to mount them on. For that case I would strongly consider going with a second M6ii body, as insurance in case in years to come the first M6ii body fails. That's what I've done.

This is the killer argument for me. I had originally thought that the M5 would be my back-up body, but I’ve concluded that if my M6 II “went away,” I could not fall back on just the M5. So - I’m really going to think hard about this, while M6 II bodies are still available new (which I prefer).

Much as I like acquiring new gear, my enthusiasm for spending my money on “another” M6 II is low. But while using the money on something new is the direction indicated by emotion, getting the 2nd M6 II is the direction indicated by logic and common sense.

Understood.

You might sell/swap the older, slower-focusing M5 for a second M6ii, then even add the fast-focusing, better low-light M200 for extra insurance --- and for pocketable 'fun' shooting in different situations than you'd bring an M6ii.

I've backed up my 2 M6iis with 2 M200s (one black and one white) --- the white M200 I had converted to full-spectrum (infrared) so it really is a special-purpose camera, not part of the normal 'setup.' On days when I know I'll shoot a lot of infrared, sometimes I just take both M200s and a few lenses along, plus a lot of IR filters.

Interestingly I find that I take the black M200 with me on some days as the second body, with an M6ii, due to its smaller size and weight --- and sometimes when i go out for 'fun' light shooting I'll take just the black M200 with one lens (often the 22mm f2). The M200/22mm combo can vanish into many pockets and people have no idea you even have a camera with you, until it comes out!

For most purposes the results you get from the M200 (or M50ii) are almost indistinguishable from M6ii images. Where it starts to make a difference is in very low light, or if you need to crop your images a lot (or do extensive perspective correction), or high frame rates (> 5 fps), or 4k video (the M200 doesn't support 30 fps at 4k, and does not use dual-pixel AF for 4k video).

Stay tuned.

I apologize for turning your thread into a personal advice column for my issues, but I really appreciate the perspective you have given me.

No need to apologize, the forum is for us all to share experiences and learn from each other. So much of my knowledge of equipment and shooting decision-making was shaped by many folks on this forum, advice I've found invaluable and which has enhanced my enjoyment of photography and the Canon M system many-fold. Where else to find people that know and love the system... nobody else in my camera club shoots M, they're either Canon DSLR a few Canon R, or Nikon.

 Larry Rexley's gear list:Larry Rexley's gear list
Canon EOS M6 II Canon EOS M200 Canon EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM Canon EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM +21 more
OP Larry Rexley Senior Member • Posts: 1,238
CRAZY refurb fire sale: M200 kit $299; M6ii body $545; 22mm f2 $119
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Lowest price sale on Canon M refurb ever for cyber Monday 2022! Unsure if this is a cyber Monday deal only. Never been cheaper to get into M system.

To make the deal even better a free Canon sling backpack is included with some cameras!

Tons of other bodies and lenses are on sale. Today's pricing is mind-blowing, I have never seen prices this low.... there are too many deals to list here. You could get into the M system with the flagship M6 mark II + EF-M 15-45 IS STM + 22mm f2 + EF - EOS M adapter + EF-S 55-250 IS STM for about $1000 - about the cost of an R10 kit!

Larry Rexley wrote:

The M200 refurbished kits with the EF-M 15-45 lens have gone on discount again as of Black Friday Nov 25, 2022, black and white are in stock:

Refurb M200 kit now $299:

Black: https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-eos-m200-ef-m-15-45mm-f-3-5-6-3-is-stm-kit-black

White: https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-eos-m200-ef-m-15-45mm-f-3-5-6-3-is-stm-kit-white

The EF-M 22mm f2 lenses black & silver are still on sale refurbished for $139.99:

Refurb EF-M 22mm f2 now $119:

Black: https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-ef-m-22mm-f-2-stm-lens

Silver: https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-ef-m-22mm-f-2-stm-silver

Also still on sale new, black or silver, for $179,99:

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/ef-m-22mm-f-2-stm?color=Black&type=New

Refurb M6 Mark ii body black or silver: $549:

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-eos-m6-mark-ii-body-black

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-eos-m6-mark-ii-body-silver

Refurb M50ii kit with EF-M 15-45 IS STM is now on sale for $399:

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-eos-m50-mark-ii-ef-m-15-45mm-f-3-5-6-3-is-stm-lens-kit-black

Canon refurb EF - EOS M mount adapter $119:

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-mount-adapter-ef-eos-m

Refurb EF-M 15-45 IS STM is $79 --- $160 off!!!:

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-ef-m-15-45mm-f-3-5-6-3-is-stm

Canon EF-S 55-250 IS STM $99 ($140 off):

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-ef-s-55-250mm-f-4-5-6-is-stm

Even the Canon RP body is on sale $300 off at $599!

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-eos-rp-body

For Black Friday the 'new' M6ii kits with EF-M 15-45 & EVF are on sale $999 ($100 off) at amazon & B&H Photo.

The new M6ii kit with the EF-M 18-150 is on sale at Amazon.com for $1147.99, which is a good deal at $200 off for a kit with the very versatile super-zoom and the EVF:

https://www.amazon.com/Canon-Mark-Black-15-45mm-3-5-6-3/dp/B07WJYY49Q/ref=sr_1_1?crid=34GNDIW5FLVLS

At Canon, B&H photo, and or Adorama M50ii content creator kits (camera + lens & stereo mike + grip w/remote) are $100 off at $799, and M200 content creator kits (camera + lens + grip w/remote) are $150 off at $499. Various other sales for other kit/combos.

Sadly the M6ii and M50ii refurb cameras are not on fire sale as they were a few weeks ago.

 Larry Rexley's gear list:Larry Rexley's gear list
Canon EOS M6 II Canon EOS M200 Canon EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM Canon EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM +21 more
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Re: CRAZY refurb fire sale: M200 kit $299; M6ii body $545; 22mm f2 $119

Larry Rexley wrote:

Lowest price sale on Canon M refurb ever for cyber Monday 2022! Unsure if this is a cyber Monday deal only. Never been cheaper to get into M system.

To make the deal even better a free Canon sling backpack is included with some cameras!

Tons of other bodies and lenses are on sale. Today's pricing is mind-blowing, I have never seen prices this low.... there are too many deals to list here. You could get into the M system with the flagship M6 mark II + EF-M 15-45 IS STM + 22mm f2 + EF - EOS M adapter + EF-S 55-250 IS STM for about $1000 - about the cost of an R10 kit!

Larry Rexley wrote:

The M200 refurbished kits with the EF-M 15-45 lens have gone on discount again as of Black Friday Nov 25, 2022, black and white are in stock:

Refurb M200 kit now $299:

Black: https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-eos-m200-ef-m-15-45mm-f-3-5-6-3-is-stm-kit-black

White: https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-eos-m200-ef-m-15-45mm-f-3-5-6-3-is-stm-kit-white

The EF-M 22mm f2 lenses black & silver are still on sale refurbished for $139.99:

Refurb EF-M 22mm f2 now $119:

Black: https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-ef-m-22mm-f-2-stm-lens

Silver: https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-ef-m-22mm-f-2-stm-silver

Also still on sale new, black or silver, for $179,99:

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/ef-m-22mm-f-2-stm?color=Black&type=New

Refurb M6 Mark ii body black or silver: $549:

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-eos-m6-mark-ii-body-black

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-eos-m6-mark-ii-body-silver

Refurb M50ii kit with EF-M 15-45 IS STM is now on sale for $399:

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-eos-m50-mark-ii-ef-m-15-45mm-f-3-5-6-3-is-stm-lens-kit-black

Canon refurb EF - EOS M mount adapter $119:

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-mount-adapter-ef-eos-m

Refurb EF-M 15-45 IS STM is $79 --- $160 off!!!:

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-ef-m-15-45mm-f-3-5-6-3-is-stm

Canon EF-S 55-250 IS STM $99 ($140 off):

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-ef-s-55-250mm-f-4-5-6-is-stm

Even the Canon RP body is on sale $300 off at $599!

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-eos-rp-body

For Black Friday the 'new' M6ii kits with EF-M 15-45 & EVF are on sale $999 ($100 off) at amazon & B&H Photo.

The new M6ii kit with the EF-M 18-150 is on sale at Amazon.com for $1147.99, which is a good deal at $200 off for a kit with the very versatile super-zoom and the EVF:

https://www.amazon.com/Canon-Mark-Black-15-45mm-3-5-6-3/dp/B07WJYY49Q/ref=sr_1_1?crid=34GNDIW5FLVLS

At Canon, B&H photo, and or Adorama M50ii content creator kits (camera + lens & stereo mike + grip w/remote) are $100 off at $799, and M200 content creator kits (camera + lens + grip w/remote) are $150 off at $499. Various other sales for other kit/combos.

Sadly the M6ii and M50ii refurb cameras are not on fire sale as they were a few weeks ago.

Holy cr@p ! LOL
These prices are crazy.
I bought two lenses.

 Photato's gear list:Photato's gear list
Panasonic LX100 Canon EOS M Canon EOS M6 Canon EOS M6 II Canon EOS R10 +22 more
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